Hayward Likely to OPT-IN to final year of contract!

[return2glory]

My option isn’t in the poll, I think he should be extended personally. When healthy he’s our second best player

The thing is he hasn’t been healthy for about 50% of the time he has been here. Tatum is better than him. Brown has improved enough to surpass him. Kemba is also better than him.

He is too passive to be the 2nd best player for most teams in the league. I like players that have a fire in their belly. Ones that don’t shy away from big moments. Hayward isn’t that guy. The really good ones all have that.

[Saint Lazarus]

How do we trade him for Turner? Not a big fan of Turner but seems like the most attainable guy for our needs.

[ddb]

My option isn’t in the poll, I think he should be extended personally. When healthy he’s our second best player

I love you man but common! Hayward is too darn passive to be a 2nd best player. I get that he wasn't healthy when he returned, but that's the thing, he's never healthy. The Celtics value him so there's a possibility he returns and they don't change much to the roster, but I would argue that taking that path will lead to a 2nd round exit next summer. At best anther east finals exit.

[BillTheGOAT]

My option isn’t in the poll, I think he should be extended personally. When healthy he’s our second best player

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Edit: all votes are now nullified

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

With Hayward likely coming back Celtics need to have him come off the bench like they did in the playoffs.

Have Smart continue to start, try to get Waters and Romeo in the rotation, and give Hayward 15-20 minutes a game. That way once he inevitably gets injured and misses a bunch of games celtics will have been proactive and it won't completely throw a monkey wrench in the celtics rotation.

Edit: Assuming he isn't traded.

[nic4747]

I think he should be traded. Even when healthy he's not delivering max contract value, and that's a big problem. At this point I also don't have much confidence in his health given his injury history. Maybe we can trade him for some reliable bench players. Bigs, playmakers, and scorers would all be fine.

[Parliament10]

My option isn’t in the poll, I think he should be extended personally. When healthy he’s our second best player

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Edit: all votes are now nullified

Yeah. That will happen, if you add an additional option.
No Problem. Let's Re-Vote.

[Parliament10]

How do we trade him for Turner? Not a big fan of Turner but seems like the most attainable guy for our needs.

Would have to be Turner and someone else. Add either Warren, Lamb, or even Oladipo.
I like Hayward & Picks = Turner & Oladipo.

Oladipo would have to come off the Bench.


Proposed Rotation, 2020-21:
Kemba - Brown - Tatum - (XXXXX) - Turner
Smart - Oladipo - Langford - G.Williams - R.Williams/Theis
Waters - Edwards - (Rookie) - (XXXXX) - Fall

Maine Red Claws = (Rookie), (Rookie)

[Fencer reregistered]

My option isn’t in the poll, I think he should be extended personally. When healthy he’s our second best player

I love you man but common! Hayward is too darn passive to be a 2nd best player. I get that he wasn't healthy when he returned, but that's the thing, he's never healthy. The Celtics value him so there's a possibility he returns and they don't change much to the roster, but I would argue that taking that path will lead to a 2nd round exit next summer. At best anther east finals exit.

My concern is that falling safely is an athletic skill, and in particular one he now seems to be known to lack. So he's apt to shy away from contact for the rest of his career, and perhaps even be right to do so.

Indeed, some guys make that decision based on considerably less evidence. E.g., I think Rondo became much less likely to attack the rim after Shaq laid him out in a Cleveland series.

[mg]

I think he likely needs to be traded by the deadline at the latest for longer contract(s) in order for them to rollover and keep using that cap money. There are obviously salary issues to consider but if they just let him walk next summer then basically all they have left is the MLE as they will be over the cap.
Getting a big haul for Hayward from Indiana seems a little optimistic tbh. I mean they can potentially sign him for the MLE next summer if he really has interest in going there. He's already set for life financially after what the C's have paid him so I could see him doing something like that.

[ddb]

My option isn’t in the poll, I think he should be extended personally. When healthy he’s our second best player

I love you man but common! Hayward is too darn passive to be a 2nd best player. I get that he wasn't healthy when he returned, but that's the thing, he's never healthy. The Celtics value him so there's a possibility he returns and they don't change much to the roster, but I would argue that taking that path will lead to a 2nd round exit next summer. At best anther east finals exit.

My concern is that falling safely is an athletic skill, and in particular one he now seems to be known to lack. So he's apt to shy away from contact for the rest of his career, and perhaps even be right to do so.

Indeed, some guys make that decision based on considerably less evidence. E.g., I think Rondo became much less likely to attack the rim after Shaq laid him out in a Cleveland series.

I think you're right about this to a certain extent. Once you suffer a brutal injury you're never going to forget about that particular injury. The incident, the hospital, the rehab, and the overall grind to get back to feeling good again. So that's forever implanted in the back of his mind....Some nights he probably forgets about it and he plays free. other nights it may be at the forefront. Honestly, I think he struggled in this series because Jae Crowder was on the other side again....so paired with the fact that he was coming off another ankle injury, he was clearly pretty hesitant out there and didn't play aggressive at all. ****, he missed multiple wide open layups. so the injury was certainly on his mind in this series.

[SmartWentCrazy]

I dont see Smart as wanting to come off the bench again. I dont see Hayward as wanting to come off the bench. Feels like something needs to be done about that.

[SmartWentCrazy]

There are a ton of rumors that Favors wants to return to Utah. I dont think he comes unless he gets the starting Center spot. I wonder if there is a way to flip Hayward somewhere for assets and to flip assets to Utah for Gobert.

[celticfan42487]

Did we confirm the opt in can happen before the draft so he can be traded on draft night?

I don't think we'll get a better play than Hayward back in a trade but I look forward to having someone that can be counted on to be in the rotation for the next 5 years with Brown and Tatum.

[Parliament10]

I dont see Smart as wanting to come off the bench again. I dont see Hayward as wanting to come off the bench. Feels like something needs to be done about that.

Smart has stated several times that he doesn't mind coming off the Bench.
Especially since he'll play Starter minutes no matter what.

Hayward, in my estimation and hope, is gone from this team.
But, he definitely wouldn't come off the Bench when fully healthy.

[SmartWentCrazy]

I dont see Smart as wanting to come off the bench again. I dont see Hayward as wanting to come off the bench. Feels like something needs to be done about that.

Smart has stated several times that he doesn't mind coming off the Bench.
Especially since he'll play Starter minutes no matter what.

Hayward, in my estimation and hope, is gone from this team.
But, he definitely wouldn't come off the Bench when fully healthy.

Eh, I try to ignore PR spin like that. Its a lose lose situation for him to state anything other than ‘want to do whats best for the team’.

[JHTruth]

Did we confirm the opt in can happen before the draft so he can be traded on draft night?

I don't think we'll get a better play than Hayward back in a trade but I look forward to having someone that can be counted on to be in the rotation for the next 5 years with Brown and Tatum.

Not a big fan of the Indy trade. Dipo would spend the year auditioning for the team he REALLY wants to go to, the Miami Heat. Total distraction.

And Turner isn't worth the expiring contract alone.

Another idea I'm warming to is to move Hayward for the No 2 and grabbing Deni Avdija, a younger version of him more or less. Would fill the same role at a much cheaper price as the Jays move into their prime.

[Parliament10]

I dont see Smart as wanting to come off the bench again. I dont see Hayward as wanting to come off the bench. Feels like something needs to be done about that.

Smart has stated several times that he doesn't mind coming off the Bench.
Especially since he'll play Starter minutes no matter what.

Hayward, in my estimation and hope, is gone from this team.
But, he definitely wouldn't come off the Bench when fully healthy.

Eh, I try to ignore PR spin like that. Its a lose lose situation for him to state anything other than ‘want to do whats best for the team’.

Smart is a great fill-in, when one of our first 3 Starter positions (PG, SG, SF) are down.
But he's no permanent Starter. He's better in the position of Super 6th-Man.

Celtics made that position famous, and I believe that Smart embraces it.

[Parliament10]

Did we confirm the opt in can happen before the draft so he can be traded on draft night?

I don't think we'll get a better play than Hayward back in a trade but I look forward to having someone that can be counted on to be in the rotation for the next 5 years with Brown and Tatum.

Not a big fan of the Indy trade. Dipo would spend the year auditioning for the team he REALLY wants to go to, the Miami Heat. Total distraction.

And Turner isn't worth the expiring contract alone.

Another idea I'm warming to is to move him for the No 2 and grabbing Deni Avdija, a younger version of him more or less. Would fill the same role at a much cheaper price as the Jays move into their prime.

The Opt-In is currently Scheduled on Oct. 15th. And the Draft isn't until Nov. 18th.
There's still a bit of fluidity going on. So, some dates may change.

As far as any Trade. It's gotta be for 2 players. Oladipo doesn't have to be one of them, though.

[floyd]

Hayward + picks for Holiday?

Yes all day.

Kemba/Jrue/Brown/Tatum/Theis

Or go super defense mode

Jrue/Smart/Brown/Tatum/Williams

Right? Be a little like Iverson and Eric Snow. If we move Hayward think we need another playmaker. No idea what Jrue’s value is though.