"We Tried So Hard, and (Haven't) Got so Far, But in the End, It Doesn't Even Matter" Trade Thread

[MagicBagley18]

The Knicks board is going to start having a podcast after each game, at first I thought it would be a cool idea for this board. But it would probably be something like this

I’ve been told I sound like joe Pesci so I’ll prob sound like this up there

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I wonder who would be good choices for the in theory podcast, and who would be the most entertaining.

Also, you’re telling me you sound like this?

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Post game? Oh yeah. Lol

[zoyathedestroya]

Celtics went 1/11 on non-open threes vs. BKN (10 taken by our top 4 players, NOT our role players). Why even handicap yourself by taking tough shots? Add in our love affair with midrange shots and penchant to walk up the ball, it's just not a blueprint for an efficient offense.

[Fencer reregistered]

Which is why all this talk of loading up to win this year is ridiculous. The real window for this team is 2 years from now. We'll compete now, but we need these guys to grow into their roles and that takes some time. Also, the current top dogs will be aging out quickly right when the Js hit their peaks. Patience

In 2 years another super team can form and easily knock us off the map again.

It's always 2 years from now. Guess what. In 2 years there will be another super duper team and it'll be the window is now extending out 2 more years.

There could be a new superteam at that point. We're on the golden age of superteams after all.

You're all right, of course. The risk is great. But there's also no reason we couldn't be that super team. Could very well have max cap space in Tatum's year 25 season.

As fans, we tend to just always write off every good outcome and only allow the bad ones into our minds. If you start out by assuming we can never win, you're going to wind up concluding we can never win.

There's no way to avoid the risk. The odds of winning by any path are stacked against you. It's all a giant gamble. You just got to make love to the danger.

I want to make love to the danger!

Well we all fall in love
But we disregard the danger
Though we share so many secrets
There are some we never tell

[SMTBSI]

I mean, he's 17-48. At that sample size, one more miss or one more make swings the percentage by 42 points (.333 to .375). Looking at his percentage here just isn't telling us very much.

That arithmetic looks off. 1/48 is a little more than 2%, aka .020. Probably it's 0.021

Also, since 16/48 = 1/3, I'm sure 17/48 > .333. Indeed, it's a little over .353

I meant that one more and one less encompass a swing of .042, not that a single make or miss does. Wasn't clear.

16 / 48 = .333
17 / 48 = .354 (Nesmith actual)
18 / 48 = .375

Point was that with a single additional miss, we're calling him a .333 shooter, and with a single additional make, we're calling him a .375 shooter. It's just not all that meaningful at these sample sizes, to me.

[JediMasterRevan]

Celtics went 1/11 on non-open threes vs. BKN (10 taken by our top 4 players, NOT our role players). Why even handicap yourself by taking tough shots? Add in our love affair with midrange shots and penchant to walk up the ball, it's just not a blueprint for an efficient offense.

Thats on brad regarding the midrange

[fallguy]

You're all right, of course. The risk is great. But there's also no reason we couldn't be that super team. Could very well have max cap space in Tatum's year 25 season.

As fans, we tend to just always write off every good outcome and only allow the bad ones into our minds. If you start out by assuming we can never win, you're going to wind up concluding we can never win.

There's no way to avoid the risk. The odds of winning by any path are stacked against you. It's all a giant gamble. You just got to make love to the danger.

I want to make love to the danger!

Well we all fall in love
But we disregard the danger
Though we share so many secrets
There are some we never tell

Love

is a battlefield.

[MagicBagley18]

I am the danger

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[31to6]

I'm gonna wear the danger out!

[zoyathedestroya]

Celtics went 1/11 on non-open threes vs. BKN (10 taken by our top 4 players, NOT our role players). Why even handicap yourself by taking tough shots? Add in our love affair with midrange shots and penchant to walk up the ball, it's just not a blueprint for an efficient offense.

Thats on brad regarding the midrange

Entirely possible he's not getting the message across to his players but he's always preached rim, FT, threes.

[SMTBSI]

Great I started a meme. If the next thread title doesn't have something to do with danger, and ideally lovemaking, I'm going to be disappointed.

Spoiler:

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[zoyathedestroya]

Rockets don't have enough players right now. Maybe Ainge could trade our 11th to 17th guys for cash and we could all hang out and have a beer, once vaccinated.

[CeltsfaninDC]

Also, I'm seriously at the point with the Nets that they're not only better than the Lakers, but significantly better. Laugh at me all you want, but I think they're that good.

They've won 11 of 12 without KD, beat the Lakers (no AD but still no KD), Spurs, Clippers, Celtics, Suns without KD and Kyrie. Impressive for sure

Which is why all this talk of loading up to win this year is ridiculous. The real window for this team is 2 years from now. We'll compete now, but we need these guys to grow into their roles and that takes some time. Also, the current top dogs will be aging out quickly right when the Js hit their peaks. Patience

this is such a dog sh*t take. It's always 2 years from now. Guess what. In 2 years there will be another super duper team and it'll be the window is now extending out 2 more years. . That's the way of the league. Danny is in a position to make his own super team...if he doesn't go for it then in a few years Brown and Tatum will leave and go form another superteam elsewhere. .He has 2 stars. he needs to figure this crap out and get it done.....I don't think they NEED a Harden-type to walk through that door in order to be a better team than BK. BK has 3 players. Shamet won't shoot like he did last night throughout a 7-game series. Neither will Kyrie. Yes Kyrie/KD/Harden is unreal. but the rest of that roster is pedestrian at best. If Danny added a Barnes and another useful vet to what he already has I really like the Celtics chances...BK can't guard anyone....If Boston has 4-5 guys that can score, then BK won't be able to stop Boston...and I like Boston's chances of getting a stop over BK's...... of course all of this assuming Ainge makes a couple moves. If he doesn't then this team simply isn't good enough to compete in the East this year. period. but they aren't far off either

Well now, that was unnecessary

Did we watch the same two teams play last night? Because you're right that Shamet wont always shoot like, BUT KD wasn't even playing. Are you really going to try to say that they wont be better with one of the top 5 players in the league in the Playoffs? Thats absurd. The conventional wisdom that they are a bad defensive team was disproven and little last night since they held us down pretty well. And do you want to talk about the Sixers, Lakers, and Jazz team defense too? Because they're far above us right now in every category. This team is not close to another banner this year and we need to face that fact.

This team adding Barnes isn't going to compete with either the Nets, Lakers, Jazz or Sixers this year which means that making big moves now is pointless. If Kemba turns back into the Kemba we signed then we might, but he's not there yet (if ever). As much as I love Jaylen, he's really a year or two away from being at a level with Kyrie/Harden/etc. In this case it really IS two years away for this team regardless of what moves you make. The problem is that you can't get that last guy or two you need now because getting a Beal would require giving up Jaylen which only moves you up the ladder a little bit. We simply don't have the assets to make a major move now - everything will generally be lateral. I'd be thrilled to be proven wrong, but I don't think I am.

[robdog_5]

Rockets don't have enough players right now. Maybe Ainge could trade our 11th to 17th guys for cash and we could all hang out and have a beer, once vaccinated.

Shoot trade Javonte, Carson for Daniel House

[robdog_5]

Rockets don't have enough players right now. Maybe Ainge could trade our 11th to 17th guys for cash and we could all hang out and have a beer, once vaccinated.

Shoot trade Javonte, Carson for Daniel House

Throw Teague and Semi and will take back Sterling Brown too.

[Celts17Pride]

Rockets don't have enough players right now. Maybe Ainge could trade our 11th to 17th guys for cash and we could all hang out and have a beer, once vaccinated.

Shoot trade Javonte, Carson for Daniel House

Can't need those salaries for when the Celtics trade for Vucevic

[CeltsfaninDC]

Also, I'm seriously at the point with the Nets that they're not only better than the Lakers, but significantly better. Laugh at me all you want, but I think they're that good.

They've won 11 of 12 without KD, beat the Lakers (no AD but still no KD), Spurs, Clippers, Celtics, Suns without KD and Kyrie. Impressive for sure

Which is why all this talk of loading up to win this year is ridiculous. The real window for this team is 2 years from now. We'll compete now, but we need these guys to grow into their roles and that takes some time. Also, the current top dogs will be aging out quickly right when the Js hit their peaks. Patience

But the problem is their contracts with us only run so long. We have to at least try a little bit or they're going to look elsewhere at teams that can win now.

That's why I want Barnes--he doesn't put you past Brooklyn, but he's a good player and will help the team now and is only 28

Its not just BKL though. Its Sixers, then BKL, then either the Lakers or Jazz. And we haven't even discussed the Bucks or Clips yet. We're not close this year and shouldn't be trying to load up against a bunch of teams that we can't compete with over 7 games.

[robdog_5]

Rockets don't have enough players right now. Maybe Ainge could trade our 11th to 17th guys for cash and we could all hang out and have a beer, once vaccinated.

Shoot trade Javonte, Carson for Daniel House

Can't need those salaries for when the Celtics trade for Vucevic

We actually save $1 million there but House has a better contract than all of them.

[Disinformation]

I am the danger

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I am the Donger.

[GoCeltics123]

The Knicks board is going to start having a podcast after each game, at first I thought it would be a cool idea for this board. But it would probably be something like this

Honestly I'm in, I already have one if anyone wants to do it I'll be down

[sully00]

Also, I'm seriously at the point with the Nets that they're not only better than the Lakers, but significantly better. Laugh at me all you want, but I think they're that good.

They've won 11 of 12 without KD, beat the Lakers (no AD but still no KD), Spurs, Clippers, Celtics, Suns without KD and Kyrie. Impressive for sure

Which is why all this talk of loading up to win this year is ridiculous. The real window for this team is 2 years from now. We'll compete now, but we need these guys to grow into their roles and that takes some time. Also, the current top dogs will be aging out quickly right when the Js hit their peaks. Patience

But the problem is their contracts with us only run so long. We have to at least try a little bit or they're going to look elsewhere at teams that can win now.

That's why I want Barnes--he doesn't put you past Brooklyn, but he's a good player and will help the team now and is only 28

Sure so does Ainge but at a reasonable cost. This is a guy that any given year you would need to attach a 1st round pick to move his contract he is not a 5 time All Star. Lets also be honest here Barnes is not the difference between this team winning a championship or not. Nice piece can fill the Hayward hole a little but I am not sure I would bet on this team to win if they had Hayward back and healthy.

Placating them with moves around the edges to say you tried that may cost you talent or opportunities that could actually make a difference is a huge mistake. This team is on track to be players in FA in '23 with the two J's don't screw that up.