It's a Tragedy to see the Deadline's Over Post Trade Thread

[JediMasterRevan]

Just a hunch... of all these teams that are looking for PG help, no one inquired about Kemba's availability in a trade. Partly because his salary is harder to match but for other reasons too. So we better get comfortable having his bright personality around for a couple more seasons. I'm now weirdly confident he also doesn't get moved in the offseason.

He wont. danny loves him tiny people.

Also, next season kembas trade kicker happens so he will be a 40 mill salary in a deal.

He is now 100% unmoveable

[MagicBagley18]

If timelord doesn’t get the minutes now though it’s just inexcusable

[BostonCouchGM]

if Danny is going to be stupid and re-sign Fournier, we might as well pack Tatum's bags and stop watching games. That'd be as dumb as the Kemba contract. Most of Fournier's production is teams indifference being up big against the Magic and him being high usage. Same thing applies to Brooks, Beasley, Wiggins, Jaylen, Kemba. When teams really try to shut these types of guys down (like MIL last night after the 1st quarter with Jaylen) they easily can. When not, they put up what looks like impressive numbers but they don't equate to wins and none of them make their teammates better. At least with Jaylen (until this season) and Wiggins you get some defense.

[hugepatsfan]

If Fournier re-signs, will they still be able to create a max spot if they can shed Kemba's salary?

Obviously a dream scenario to get a max spot for Beal but wondering if Fournier would erase the dream?

A lot is up in the air honestly.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/cap/2022/

This is the cap sheet the year Beal is a FA. As currently constituted, we are at $113,545,508 in salary. But remember you have to add in roster space holds too. Also, Tatum's deal will be higher if he makes all NBA this year (which he seems to be trending away from wit team performance, as a silver lining at least).

The expected cap of $115,786,626. Beal's max deal would be 35% of that, so $40,525,319.

If we dump Kemba for nothing, we are RIGHT on the line of being able to offer a max. Would probably need to salary dump or decline the option on one or both of Langford. However, this also includes renouncing the bird rights on Timelord and Marcus Smart.

If we do get Beal that year, I think it would be via S&T. Beal seems to have a great relationship with WAS front office so seems likely they'd do a S&T to help him where he wants to go if no cost to them.

So the hypothetical team we're trading Kemba to in your scenario as a salary dump... we still do that. It just gets executed as salary matching. So a three team deal where we get Beal, a 3rd team gets Kemba's last year with a bunch of assets for taking the $$$ on, WAS gets a TPE for a player who's walking anyway.

In this scenario we never have to go below the cap to open up space. So we keep bird rights on Smart/Timelord.

[MagicBagley18]

Just a hunch... of all these teams that are looking for PG help, no one inquired about Kemba's availability in a trade. Partly because his salary is harder to match but for other reasons too. So we better get comfortable having his bright personality around for a couple more seasons. I'm now weirdly confident he also doesn't get moved in the offseason.

He wont. danny loves him tiny people.

Also, next season kembas trade kicker happens so he will be a 40 mill salary in a deal.

He is now 100% unmoveable

Really not true. It’s less time on the deal, teams have space and teams who strike out can still sell a fan base on kemba. It’s not a slam dunk but it’s def possible and likely he’s gone. Bubble wrap him for the rest of the year and having him come off a 1st or 2nd round exit where he looks ok.

He can be moved

[Celtics1918]

Depends on cap and what he resigns for. 15 mill is probably too much for it too happen.

We can do 4/80m no problem.

So pay him more than he gets now?


Lets say we do.
Let say evan resigns for 20 mill a year.
Lets say we ship kemba for no salary past 202 summer
Lets say we keep out 1st rounders and use mle the next offseason
Lets say we let smart walk for nothing.

In summer of 2022 when we should be chasing beal we will have about 115 million in salaries.

Brown-30mill
tatum-32 million
Tpe player-10 mill
Rookies-5 mill
Nesmith/romeo/pp/grant/timelord- 17.5 mill
Fournier-20mill


And that is only 11 players.

Why are you peeing in my cearal

[Andrew McCeltic]

Again: this team is f*cked. No flexibility. Keeping Fournier, then Smart, and extending Rob Williams, we’re in the tax with no filler contracts to trade for depth or pair with assets to get someone better.

The only hope is that Nesmith and Langford emerge and you can get something for a 30 year old Fournier, like a young power forward and a center on a bad contract.

[Curmudgeon]

All deals are moveable. John Wall was moveable, for example.
Let's see how they play with Fournier and wherefore art thou Romeo.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

if Danny is going to be stupid and re-sign Fournier, we might as well pack Tatum's bags and stop watching games. That'd be as dumb as the Kemba contract. Most of Fournier's production is teams indifference being up big against the Magic and him being high usage. Same thing applies to Brooks, Beasley, Wiggins, Jaylen, Kemba. When teams really try to shut these types of guys down (like MIL last night after the 1st quarter with Jaylen) they easily can. When not, they put up what looks like impressive numbers but they don't equate to wins and none of them make their teammates better. At least with Jaylen (until this season) and Wiggins you get some defense.

Who hurt you?

[Curmudgeon]

What's clear is that they did not think they could afford Theis next year. I'm also fairly sure there were no takers for TT, otherwise Theis would still be here.

[zoyathedestroya]

Fournier is shooting 54.2% on corner threes. That's helpful. He'd have the best % on the team if he keeps that up. Next best is my new main man Grant (since they gave away Theis) with 52.9%.

[VeryMuchWoke]

Again: this team is f*cked. No flexibility. Keeping Fournier, then Smart, and extending Rob Williams, we’re in the tax with no filler contracts to trade for depth or pair with assets to get someone better.

The only hope is that Nesmith and Langford emerge and you can get something for a 30 year old Fournier, like a young power forward and a center on a bad contract.

F*cked? We have all our draft assets, we have 2 young all-stars, dumping Kemba will give us some flexibility, and we still have some of the TPE.

I'd consider TT filler.

We need to hit on a few mid-round draft picks (past or future) but we're far from f*cked.

[keevsnick1]

Play out this year, hope for the best, whatever. Nothing I've seen leaves me excited. But lookin ahead to this offseason where I expect Fournier to be re-signed with Bird Rights, the pieces I like and would like to keep...

Kemba (not giving up picks to move him) / Pritchard
Smart / Fournier
Brown / ???
Tatum / ???
??? / R Williams

That's the main 10 man rotation. I have 4 ??? spots. In order to fill those spots we have the following trade chips:

Nesmith
Langford
G Williams
Our 1st round pick
Future picks

The pure salary matching trade pieces are as follows:

Thompson's $9.7M expiring deal
$11.05M left on
$4.767M Kanter TPE
$5M Theis TPE

In free agency we will have the tax payer's MLE and the bi-annual exception to use, along with minimum salary deals of course. Bird rights on Semi as well, though I really hope he isn't re-signed unless it's 3rd string depth. Also bird rights on Wagner and early bird rights on Kornet should either emerge as worthy to re-sign as 3rd string depth or somehow break out into more the rest of the way here.

Ainge needs to be aggressive about finding the right players who fit the role and accept it. Doesn't necessarily have to be vets, but those are generally better bets to be good fits for that.

For all those wondering why people like @dangercart are claiming we are **** it's basically this:

If Fournier walks and tatum misses all nba we are less than 2 million below the tax next year for just twelve players.

So bringing back fournier as currently constituted is next to impossible unless you believe the c's are going 20 million into the tax. They are not.

So okay how do you fix that? You could dump kemba, but at roughly 75 million owed over two years that's an albatross. You are talking like two firsts just to move off the deal for the privilege of resigning fournier. You could dump tt but you'd need to replace him on the roster anyway since you need a decent backup due to robs health issues. You no longer have the financial flexibility via a large tpe to add a big wing which you still desperately need.

In short you are financially jammed up with no way out except to shed talent on a team that nobody thinks is good enough as is.

[fallguy]

The thing that could really change our outlook/salary structure is moving Jaylen in the next couple of years. I think it's very possible.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Again: this team is f*cked. No flexibility. Keeping Fournier, then Smart, and extending Rob Williams, we’re in the tax with no filler contracts to trade for depth or pair with assets to get someone better.

The only hope is that Nesmith and Langford emerge and you can get something for a 30 year old Fournier, like a young power forward and a center on a bad contract.

Were in trouble. We need Rob to explode. Or a sucker to take Kemba. The Rob one is more likely.

[reload141]

Fournier isn’t walking after the season, as LBF is saying.

He’s going to be really good for the Jays on and off the court.

How can we say that, though? He might be amenable to staying at a certain number, but another team could offer more.

Hornets. Just so MJ can screw with Ainge more.

We all know it’s because of the golf game they had

[Ben-N1ce]

All Ainge needs to do is flip Kemba for a top 20 player

[fallguy]

Going on the record now: I say we move Kemba this summer.

Only thing that would put a wrench in that is another injury.

[MagicBagley18]

Play out this year, hope for the best, whatever. Nothing I've seen leaves me excited. But lookin ahead to this offseason where I expect Fournier to be re-signed with Bird Rights, the pieces I like and would like to keep...

Kemba (not giving up picks to move him) / Pritchard
Smart / Fournier
Brown / ???
Tatum / ???
??? / R Williams

That's the main 10 man rotation. I have 4 ??? spots. In order to fill those spots we have the following trade chips:

Nesmith
Langford
G Williams
Our 1st round pick
Future picks

The pure salary matching trade pieces are as follows:

Thompson's $9.7M expiring deal
$11.05M left on
$4.767M Kanter TPE
$5M Theis TPE

In free agency we will have the tax payer's MLE and the bi-annual exception to use, along with minimum salary deals of course. Bird rights on Semi as well, though I really hope he isn't re-signed unless it's 3rd string depth. Also bird rights on Wagner and early bird rights on Kornet should either emerge as worthy to re-sign as 3rd string depth or somehow break out into more the rest of the way here.

Ainge needs to be aggressive about finding the right players who fit the role and accept it. Doesn't necessarily have to be vets, but those are generally better bets to be good fits for that.

For all those wondering why people like @dangercart are claiming we are **** it's basically this:

If Fournier walks and tatum misses all nba we are less than 2 million below the tax next year for just twelve players.

So bringing back fournier as currently constituted is next to impossible unless you believe the c's are going 20 million into the tax. They are not.



So okay how do you fix that? You could dump kemba, but at roughly 75 million owed over two years that's an albatross. You are talking like two firsts just to move off the deal for the privilege of resigning fournier. You could dump tt but you'd need to replace him on the roster anyway since you need a decent backup due to robs health issues. You no longer have the financial flexibility via a large tpe to add a big wing which you still desperately need.

In short you are financially jammed up with no way out except to shed talent on a team that nobody thinks is good enough as is.

I just disagree big time it costs 2 firsts to move kemba

[LarryBirdsFingr]

Anyone that can't see these moves are the first in "righting the ship" or "getting back on course" is delusional. It's not perfect, the team is still flawed, but much less so than yesterday.