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Trade Thread Dread, pt 3, 2023-24 - (Off-season)

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Re: Trade Thread Dread, pt 3, 2023-24 - (Off-season) 

Post#121 » by Hal14 » Wed Jun 14, 2023 2:20 am

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Fierce1 wrote:If the Celts were to trade JB because they won't give him the supermax, I think it's really possible the Celts will make Tatum's dream come true and that is to bring Bradley Beal to Boston.

That's Tatum's dream?

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Re: Trade Thread Dread, pt 3, 2023-24 - (Off-season) 

Post#122 » by Bill Lumbergh » Wed Jun 14, 2023 2:26 am

Fierce1 wrote:
JaMarco wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:If the Celts were to trade JB because they won't give him the supermax, I think it's really possible the Celts will make Tatum's dream come true and that is to bring Bradley Beal to Boston.

That's Tatum's dream?

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Hard to find a Beal trade that makes sense, but maybe this comes close.

Beal and Kuzma to Boston.

JB, Brogdon, Muscala and Champagnie to Washington.

The money is exactly even. I'm not sure that this would improve us, though.

For Washington, it's basically about getting younger by swapping out Beal for Brown.

For us? I don't know if the sum of Beal and Kuzma is better than JB and Brogdon. JB's poor decision making frustrates me to no end, but still don't know if this would be better.
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Re: Trade Thread Dread, pt 3, 2023-24 - (Off-season) 

Post#123 » by Fierce1 » Wed Jun 14, 2023 2:42 am

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Fierce1 wrote:If the Celts were to trade JB because they won't give him the supermax, I think it's really possible the Celts will make Tatum's dream come true and that is to bring Bradley Beal to Boston.

The main reason many fans don't want to give JB a supermax, is because of the financial ramifications that would result from us have to pay a ton of $ and such a high % of the cap to just 2 players, since tatum will be supermax eligible next summer.

Since Beal is also on a supermax contract, trading JB for Beal would result in the same challenges..

It's just one possibility because the Wiz will not care if JB leaves in FA or not.

It's just a case of the Wiz wanting out of that Beal contract.

Beal's contract is also cheaper compared to JB getting 59m per year.
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Re: Trade Thread Dread, pt 3, 2023-24 - (Off-season) 

Post#124 » by Fierce1 » Wed Jun 14, 2023 2:51 am

A comparison of Beal's contract and JB's potential supermax means the Cs will save around 99m and Beal's contract will be 2 years shorter.
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Re: Trade Thread Dread, pt 3, 2023-24 - (Off-season) 

Post#125 » by bigfoot_cryptozoology » Wed Jun 14, 2023 3:28 am

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Re: Trade Thread Dread, pt 3, 2023-24 - (Off-season) 

Post#126 » by Fierce1 » Wed Jun 14, 2023 4:43 am

NuckyPowell wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:
JaMarco wrote:That's Tatum's dream?

Read on Twitter
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Hard to find a Beal trade that makes sense, but maybe this comes close.

Beal and Kuzma to Boston.

JB, Brogdon, Muscala and Champagnie to Washington.

The money is exactly even. I'm not sure that this would improve us, though.

For Washington, it's basically about getting younger by swapping out Beal for Brown.

For us? I don't know if the sum of Beal and Kuzma is better than JB and Brogdon. JB's poor decision making frustrates me to no end, but still don't know if this would be better.

Would be better for the Cs financially.

Spending 600m on 2 players is just not a wise investment.

And JB's low bball IQ is certainly not worth 59m per year.
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Re: Trade Thread Dread, pt 3, 2023-24 - (Off-season) 

Post#127 » by Fencer reregistered » Wed Jun 14, 2023 4:50 am

Fierce1 wrote:
NuckyPowell wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:
Read on Twitter
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Hard to find a Beal trade that makes sense, but maybe this comes close.

Beal and Kuzma to Boston.

JB, Brogdon, Muscala and Champagnie to Washington.

The money is exactly even. I'm not sure that this would improve us, though.

For Washington, it's basically about getting younger by swapping out Beal for Brown.

For us? I don't know if the sum of Beal and Kuzma is better than JB and Brogdon. JB's poor decision making frustrates me to no end, but still don't know if this would be better.

Would be better for the Cs financially.

Spending 600m on 2 players is just not a wise investment.

And JB's low bball IQ is certainly not worth 59m per year.


Downgrade from Brown to Beal.
Downgrade from Brogdon to Kuzma.
What is Washington providing to compensate? And why is it enough for the Cs?
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Re: Trade Thread Dread, pt 3, 2023-24 - (Off-season) 

Post#128 » by Fierce1 » Wed Jun 14, 2023 4:53 am

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Fierce1 wrote:
NuckyPowell wrote:Hard to find a Beal trade that makes sense, but maybe this comes close.

Beal and Kuzma to Boston.

JB, Brogdon, Muscala and Champagnie to Washington.

The money is exactly even. I'm not sure that this would improve us, though.

For Washington, it's basically about getting younger by swapping out Beal for Brown.

For us? I don't know if the sum of Beal and Kuzma is better than JB and Brogdon. JB's poor decision making frustrates me to no end, but still don't know if this would be better.

Would be better for the Cs financially.

Spending 600m on 2 players is just not a wise investment.

And JB's low bball IQ is certainly not worth 59m per year.


Downgrade from Brown to Beal.
Downgrade from Brogdon to Kuzma.
What is Washington providing to compensate? And why is it enough for the Cs?

My proposal is JB, PP, and Kornet for Beal.
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Re: Trade Thread Dread, pt 3, 2023-24 - (Off-season) 

Post#129 » by Fierce1 » Wed Jun 14, 2023 4:56 am

In talent it's true JB to Beal is a downgrade.

But Beal will be a better complementary piece to Tatum.
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Re: Trade Thread Dread, pt 3, 2023-24 - (Off-season) 

Post#130 » by zoyathedestroya » Wed Jun 14, 2023 5:08 am

Let's combine the fantasy trades in the thread...

BOS gets Beal, Kuzma, #3
POR gets Brown, Pritchard
WAS gets Simons, Brogdon

Not gonna happen but it's fun to dream. Kuzma is turning down his player option and WAS would rather have the #3 than Simons.
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Re: Trade Thread Dread, pt 3, 2023-24 - (Off-season) 

Post#131 » by Triple7 » Wed Jun 14, 2023 5:23 am

NuckyPowell wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:
JaMarco wrote:That's Tatum's dream?

Read on Twitter
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Hard to find a Beal trade that makes sense, but maybe this comes close.

Beal and Kuzma to Boston.

JB, Brogdon, Muscala and Champagnie to Washington.

The money is exactly even. I'm not sure that this would improve us, though.

For Washington, it's basically about getting younger by swapping out Beal for Brown.

For us? I don't know if the sum of Beal and Kuzma is better than JB and Brogdon. JB's poor decision making frustrates me to no end, but still don't know if this would be better.


That won’t work. You’ll have smart, white and beal log jammed at the guard position. Smart should be the bench player among the 3, but since he won’t probably agree to that, better to trade him instead than brogdon, who is much better carrying the offense off the bench.
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Re: Trade Thread Dread, pt 3, 2023-24 - (Off-season) 

Post#132 » by GoGreen » Wed Jun 14, 2023 5:28 am

Well, Brogs and Brown for Kuz and Beal?

Idk... I don't hate it, honestly. It's definitely a move that will shake up the team, and I have a feeling JT and Beal will instantly have way more chemistry than JT and JB ever had.

But this is fantasy land, cause unfortunately, we're running it back. Sigh.
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Re: Trade Thread Dread, pt 3, 2023-24 - (Off-season) 

Post#133 » by JaMarco » Wed Jun 14, 2023 5:35 am

Fierce1 wrote:In talent it's true JB to Beal is a downgrade.

But Beal will be a better complementary piece to Tatum.

That doesn't necessarily make the team better.
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Re: Trade Thread Dread, pt 3, 2023-24 - (Off-season) 

Post#134 » by Fierce1 » Wed Jun 14, 2023 5:52 am

JaMarco wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:In talent it's true JB to Beal is a downgrade.

But Beal will be a better complementary piece to Tatum.

That doesn't necessarily make the team better.

Like I said, this only happens if the Cs are unwilling to give JB the supermax.

Right now the safe play is still to give JB the supermax and trade him next year.
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Re: Trade Thread Dread, pt 3, 2023-24 - (Off-season) 

Post#135 » by Triple7 » Wed Jun 14, 2023 6:10 am

Fierce1 wrote:
JaMarco wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:In talent it's true JB to Beal is a downgrade.

But Beal will be a better complementary piece to Tatum.

That doesn't necessarily make the team better.

Like I said, this only happens if the Cs are unwilling to give JB the supermax.

Right now the safe play is still to give JB the supermax and trade him next year.


With the supermax? Untradeable. Unless we take on an equally awful contract.
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Re: Trade Thread Dread, pt 3, 2023-24 - (Off-season) 

Post#136 » by cl2117 » Wed Jun 14, 2023 6:13 am

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Fierce1 wrote:
JaMarco wrote:That doesn't necessarily make the team better.

Like I said, this only happens if the Cs are unwilling to give JB the supermax.

Right now the safe play is still to give JB the supermax and trade him next year.


With the supermax? Untradeable. Unless we take on an equally awful contract.

Like Beal or Dame?

Realistically you'll just be breaking him down into multiple lesser players from a team willing to take on that beast of a contract because they can't get all-nba talent another way. It'll be a serious hit to his overall value, but he won't be toxic.
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Re: Trade Thread Dread, pt 3, 2023-24 - (Off-season) 

Post#137 » by Fencer reregistered » Wed Jun 14, 2023 6:18 am

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Fierce1 wrote:Would be better for the Cs financially.

Spending 600m on 2 players is just not a wise investment.

And JB's low bball IQ is certainly not worth 59m per year.


Downgrade from Brown to Beal.
Downgrade from Brogdon to Kuzma.
What is Washington providing to compensate? And why is it enough for the Cs?

My proposal is JB, PP, and Kornet for Beal.


OK. That's an ability downgrade, an age increase, and a downgrade to the positional mix.

So why do it?
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Re: Trade Thread Dread, pt 3, 2023-24 - (Off-season) 

Post#138 » by Triple7 » Wed Jun 14, 2023 6:22 am

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Fierce1 wrote:Like I said, this only happens if the Cs are unwilling to give JB the supermax.

Right now the safe play is still to give JB the supermax and trade him next year.


With the supermax? Untradeable. Unless we take on an equally awful contract.

Like Beal or Dame?

Realistically you'll just be breaking him down into multiple lesser players from a team willing to take on that beast of a contract because they can't get all-nba talent another way. It'll be a serious hit to his overall value, but he won't be toxic.


I would go for a lesser player than JB, plus picks or with a solid role player included. It’s just plain stupid paying the guy 60M for 5 years. Its crazy! JB is not even close to being worthy of that money. He doesn’t even have that competitive mind set.
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Re: Trade Thread Dread, pt 3, 2023-24 - (Off-season) 

Post#139 » by Green89 » Wed Jun 14, 2023 12:22 pm

Scratching my head over those saying Beal is a downgrade over JB. Beal led Brown in 3pt%, 2pt%, assists, PER, and most importantly, crunch time scoring, where Beal was 6th in the league, compared to JB at #29. JB had a slight edge in points, but also shot 3 more attempts per game than Beal.
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Re: Trade Thread Dread, pt 3, 2023-24 - (Off-season) 

Post#140 » by Shamrock23 » Wed Jun 14, 2023 12:38 pm

Fierce1 wrote:In talent it's true JB to Beal is a downgrade.

But Beal will be a better complementary piece to Tatum.


It's not all about talent, it's about IQ also. No matter how much talent you have, a couple bone head mistakes will cause you a game. We have too many low IQ players and needed to let some go. :nod:

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