Trade/Free Agency Thread, part Ocho, 2023-24

[djFan71]

If anything this Grant deal makes it easier to keep Brogdon.
You can do it and stay under 2nd apron. And you have even more 2nds and a TPE to use. Especially if you send out Pritchard you can use the full $6.2M and get that 8th guy. Or renounce that and sign a TPMLE guy.

I think it will be a minor miracle if Brogdon is still a Celtic at the start of next season.

Hey, I've seen a team acquire a 2nd round pick swap. I believe in minor miracles!

If the right deal comes along, sure trade him. But, most of the non-Dame, non-DDR ones tend to split him up into multiple decent guys to get an 8-man rotation. Might be better served to just use our other routes of adding that 8th guy instead. Then see how Hauser/new guys fare.

[darrendaye]

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I'm not as doom and gloom about the upcoming season, but it definitely feels like we were lied to about the whole green light thing.

Might be a matter of there being a difference in going 10mm over vs. 2mm over. Let's see how it plays out.

[BK_2020]

Is Lindy Waters any good? maybe he can be our Austin Reaves.

[robdog_5]

Tim Bontemps @TimBontemps
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Still time left in the summer, but if Boston winds up where it basically is now, not sure the Celtics improved. After Brad Stevens said Boston had a “green light” to spend, it certainly appears there was a red light when it came to passing the second apron to keep Grant Williams.


Patience everyone. Patience!!!

Bontemps is insufferable. Listening to as many podcasts as I have this offseason he's clearly the biggest rain on parade guy I've heard. For all teams. Except he some how thinks Philly is poised to be the best Dame team. Dude is a Philly honk or should I say he's become a Embiid jock carrier lately

[djFan71]

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Flipping Pritchard and replacing with a vet min gives you the room back easily enough.

[djFan71]

Is Lindy Waters any good? maybe he can be our Austin Reaves.

I'd wager he'd be the best Waters we had on the roster this decade. Probably even this millennium.

[Hal14]

White / Brogdon / Banton
Brown / Pritchard
Tatum / Hauser
Porzingis / Brissett
RWilliams / Horford / Kornet

Team has a great starting 5 and top 2 bench players (Brogdon, Horford). Pritchard/Hauser/Brissett are a pretty good 8th-10th man group for the regular season. Issue will be in the playoffs when you really want to shorten it to 8 guys. None of them are ideal candidates to survive that cutdown.

Hauser is absolutely capable of being a playoff rotation guy.

Capable of becoming that, I agree. But he still needs to develop further for that. Maybe he will with some more experience. I don't rule it out. But on paper right now, that's a question mark.

I disagree. Hauser was clearly one of our top 8 players last season. And it's safe to say he'll be even better in year 3 than he was in year 2.

This is how last season's Celtics players ranked in net rating (minimum 35 games played)
1. Rob
2. white
3. tatum
4. horford
5. hauser
6. smart
7. grant
8. JB
9. Brogdon

In PIE..
1. tatum
2. brogdon
3. brown
4. rob
5. white
6. horford
7. hauser
8. smart
9. Grant

BPM..
1. tatum
2 horford
3 rob
4 brogdon
5 white
6 brown
7 Hauser
8 kornet
9 griffin
10 smart
11 grant

TS%
1 rob
2 hauser
3 brogdon
4 tatum
5 grant
6 white
7 Brown
8 smart

Those are just stats. But what about the eye test? With Hauser on the floor...

-Our spacing is awesome. The middle of the floor is open. So much room for guys like Tatum/Brogdon to create. Or room to run a PnR with Rob used as a lob threat. Or, this season - running PnR with Porzingis (having roll to basket or pop out to 3 for pick N pop.

-Hauser is an excellent cutter. Knows how to move without the ball, relocate to the open spots on the floor where he can not only be open for a shot but also where he can give his teammate a clean angle to pass him the ball

-Hauser moves the ball so quick, it doesn't stick to his hands so it keeps the offense flowing smoothly. Meanwhile, opposing teams often try to hunt him on switches, which takes them out of their offensive rhythm and usually they don't even score when they try to attack Hauser.

-It's such a weapon to have Hauser's shooting ability on the floor. Him taking open 3's is basically like a layup for a lot of NBA players. And these shots by Hauser are worth 3 points - not 2!

Our 8th man when we made the NBA finals was Payton Pritchard. Hauser is better than him. Denver's 8th man when they won the title was Christian Braun - he had no playoff experience (no NBA experience at all) prior to this season and Hauser is probably just as good as him too.

[zoyathedestroya]

At the Celtics moment the Celtics have seven central rotation players: White, Brown, Tatum, Williams, Porzingis, Horford and Brogdon. Out of that core group only three seem physically reliable: White, Brown and Tatum.

There's now a true need for some of the deeper bench guys to become more than what they've been. If not, this team could be vulnerable with a few unsurprising injuries.

...or maybe there'll still be another deal.

You may want to re-classify JB. He's missed 33 games total the past two seasons. That's even more than Al Horford did during that span.

[darrendaye]

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Admittedly it's got to be fun to be a Spurs fan right now. Rooting for both the C's and Mavs to poop the bed in the coming years.

[BK_2020]

Both Scottie Pippen Jr. and Ron Harper Jr. still out there as UFAs.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

Cannot say I love the trade because second round picks are kind of useless Boston definitely needs some depth now

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[zoyathedestroya]

Both Scottie Pippen Jr. and Ron Harper Jr. still out there as UFAs.

Please sign Ron Harper Jr. Would be first Fil-Am to play for the Celtics.

[tfmiii]

Swapping Brogdon for OG makes the Cs thin at PG.

OG is a legit SG.

Brogdon is a PG who can play some SG.

Not a good idea if the only PGs are White and PP.

Swapping Brogdan for OG as part of 3 way for Dame?

[Celts17Pride]

Cannot say I love the trade because second round picks are kind of useless Boston definitely needs some depth now

2nd round picks are not useless by any means with the new CBA.

[return2glory]

The Denver Nuggets ended their finals drought not because of grit.

Jokic and Murray showed us that a team full of grit in the Miami Heat are no match for a Nuggets team led by Jokic, a guy with high basketball IQ.

Miami was as grit as they come and it was a mismatch in the finals.

Basketball is not the UFC or MMA, basketball is about making shots and making the right plays.

Grit was the thing in the 1990s for the NBA.

Not in this era of NBA basketball.

The Nuggets had just as much grit as the Heat, or close to it. Bruce Brown, KCP and Aaron Gordon get after it. MPJ at times too along with Jeff Green.

Jokic is the best player is the game so that was the difference and Murray is pretty good himself. Also Jokic has a lot of grit. Grit isn't only being physically tough, it's also being mentally tough. Jokic and Murray are clitch. We can't say that about Tatum and Brown, especially Brown.

[Fierce1]

Swapping Brogdon for OG makes the Cs thin at PG.

OG is a legit SG.

Brogdon is a PG who can play some SG.

Not a good idea if the only PGs are White and PP.

Swapping Brogdan for OG as part of 3 way for Dame?

As a Celtic fan, I would love that.

But there's no way Dame is ending up in Boston if Portland is not getting Jaylen Brown in return.

[Larry_Russell]

I wonder if Joe will run an actual play for Hauser next year.

I wonder if joe will run an actual play

[BK_2020]

The Denver Nuggets ended their finals drought not because of grit.

Jokic and Murray showed us that a team full of grit in the Miami Heat are no match for a Nuggets team led by Jokic, a guy with high basketball IQ.

Miami was as grit as they come and it was a mismatch in the finals.

Basketball is not the UFC or MMA, basketball is about making shots and making the right plays.

Grit was the thing in the 1990s for the NBA.

Not in this era of NBA basketball.

The Nuggets had just as much grit as the Heat, or close to it. Bruce Brown, KCP and Aaron Gordon get after it. MPJ at times too along with Jeff Green.

Jokic is the best player is the game so that was the difference and Murray is pretty good himself. Also Jokic has a lot of grit. Grit isn't only being physically tough, it's also being mentally tough. Jokic and Murray are clitch. We can't say that about Tatum and Brown, especially Brown.

Flapping your gums and yapping about being tough isn't grit.
Mr. Imamakeboth wasn't mentally tough in the slightest.

[Edug27]

It’s clear that Boston has to go with cheaper options for their role players, given Jaylens new deal and the acquisition of KP. Plus Tatum is coming up on a player option year where he’ll be looking for a super max.

Ever since the “I’m a make both” moment, I wanted Grant gone. And we all know Ive been one of the more vocal Smart haters on the board. So I favored that move.

The only move I’m still skeptical about is bringing back Mazzulla.

Oh and the Dame dream is not going to happen. You can’t trade a 26 year old All NBA player, for a 33 year old player who doesn’t want to be here. Unless of course the 26 year old also doesn’t want to be here.