Trade/Free Agency Thread, whose NINE is it anyways?? 2023-24

[GoCeltics123]

So many words, nothing new to learn.

I think I'm fully of the belief now that they poked around on Jaylen for Dame, backed off when they realized Dame wasn't happening, and now just want to sign Jaylen. But the deal not being done is a conspiracy-theorist's dream

The hold-up could be related to a potential Brogdon trade. And how that and JB's extension number could affect their cap sheet next couple of seasons. And without the Harden resolution, Brogdon thing could drag on longer if Clips are still involved.

There's probably a simpler explanation but it's really weird that it's taken this long. They could've chosen to talk informally even before the moratorium ended. And finalized the details soon after he was eligible. But for whatever reason, they still haven't.

It definitely could be Brogdon. Whatever it is, it's weird. I also am basing it off of Shams saying we had interest in Dame.

I saw this too on twitter, kinda weird and feels like BS but something to note. Dude essentially says we tried to get a 3rd team to take Jaylen for Dame and couldn't

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Potential Grant TPE targets..

Kenrich Williams
Saddiq Bey
Cole Anthony
Jonathan Kuminga
Usman Garuba
Jae'Sean Tate
Deni Avdija
Nassir Little

Easy ..Kuminga... Maybe he's similar to Andrew Wiggins when he was first with Minnnesota.. A change of scenery and a better opportunity..

Kuminga is an intriguing option. He definitely has the highest upside on that list. And GS certainly seems open to moving him.

But Brad seems to prefer older, more proven vets when trading for guys..

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You've got the Curry-Durant-Thompson model big 3 where they figured out a way to feed 3 20 point scorers. Jaylen's going to have to adjust offensively and being the guy who is tasked with defending the Jimmy Butlers is going to need to be his priority with the starters. That's where he can maintain his #2 status on a championship level team here.

Will help if they can improve here:
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/nba-fastest-pace-this-season

That was pre-Supermax and iirc pre-max for Dray and Klay. They also went that high in salary to level up a team that had already won rings. And all of Durant/Curry/Klay are better than Jaylen.

And they were all likely better than Porzingis. And 2 of the 3 were better than Tatum. So, what's your point? We're talking about his standing on the team and league value. Porzingis had a potential pivot season last year at age 27 and we are certain Brown can't? But he's got to buy in, for now.

As Brad pointed out, Porzingis' growth, in part, is getting better at low post offense. Jaylen's challenge is having similar breakthrough in off-ball offense and stronger commitment and energy on defense. In any event, I ultimately agree with where you are going with this in saying Tatum-Brown supermax twins will not be a long-term smart strategy but for a season or two they might be able to get the right balance with a we win you win message.

Related, here are Brown's numbers on corner 3's. Percentage of shots from that location has gone down precipitously and his percentage has followed. My assertion is that this year that percentage will jump (as the 3rd option with starters) and hopefully his make % will as well.

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          Corn Corn
Season    %3PA  3P%
2016-17   .356 .438
2017-18   .376 .426
2018-19   .246 .368
2019-20   .269 .484
2020-21   .158 .400
2021-22   .185 .337
2022-23   .125 .279
Career    .221 .395


Provided by Basketball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 7/12/2023.

Location def plays into it but also assisted threes vs guarded/off the dribble is as big as any of them afaik. You can look down those charts and only really two guys on the team are taking their threes off the bounce, majority of the league takes 80%+ off the catch except the top guys (and the gunners lol). Jaylen obviously somewhere in there.

[djFan71]

Potential Grant TPE targets..

Kenrich Williams
Saddiq Bey
Cole Anthony
Jonathan Kuminga
Usman Garuba
Jae'Sean Tate
Deni Avdija
Nassir Little

Easy ..Kuminga... Maybe he's similar to Andrew Wiggins when he was first with Minnnesota.. A change of scenery and a better opportunity..

Kuminga is an intriguing option. He definitely has the highest upside on that list. And GS certainly seems open to moving him.

But Brad seems to prefer older, more proven vets when trading for guys..

I would assume GS would want to move him for win now guys, though, not picks? Not sure pritchard and some seconds gets it done.

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Easy ..Kuminga... Maybe he's similar to Andrew Wiggins when he was first with Minnnesota.. A change of scenery and a better opportunity..

Kuminga is an intriguing option. He definitely has the highest upside on that list. And GS certainly seems open to moving him.

But Brad seems to prefer older, more proven vets when trading for guys..

I would assume GS would want to move him for win now guys, though, not picks? Not sure pritchard and some seconds gets it done.

Well, rumor has it GS was interested in Pritchard last year at the deadline. Since then, they lost Poole and Divencenzo - added CP3, Cory Joseph and drafted Podziemski.

So they might not have much of a need for Pritchard now..

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[djFan71]

Kuminga is an intriguing option. He definitely has the highest upside on that list. And GS certainly seems open to moving him.

But Brad seems to prefer older, more proven vets when trading for guys..

I would assume GS would want to move him for win now guys, though, not picks? Not sure pritchard and some seconds gets it done.

Well, rumor has it GS was interested in Pritchard last year at the deadline. Since then, they lost Poole and Divencenzo - added CP3, Cory Joseph and drafted Podziemski.

So they might not have much of a need for Pritchard now..

Yeah, exactly. I like the idea in theory, but kinda lean more towards your first comment and his salary is a lot for a flyer. And I just don't see the trade match anymore. Heck, even from the BOS side, we kinda need Pritchard pending other moves.

[djFan71]

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BOSCON. Got it. Thanks.

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[Curmudgeon]

The new "employee number 8."

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Dude has *crazy* long legs. His upper body is normal big man size and his legs are freaking skyscrapers.

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Yeah, definitely would not hate it if we used the Grant TPE to snag Kuminga..and he's still only 20 yrs old!

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Side note. Look at that Warriors offense - the ball movement and player movement is so fun to watch.

Not sure how realistic it is - a guy this good, who's still only 20. We'd probably have to give up quite a bit to get him..

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hmmm....



Why for Boston:
-You avoid having to pay JB (66th in the league last season in BPM) that insane contract which would make him the highest paid player in the league..
-You get a player (OG) who is comparable in talent, comparable in age. OG is a much better defender, has more size/length while being less of a ball stopper, less ball dominant on offense. OG had higher EPM and higher TS% last season than JB..and he comes at a fraction of the cost
-You have more clearly defined pecking order. Tatum is THE 1, Porzingis is THE 2, and OG is THE 3
-Add front court depth with Boucher, who gives us a legit 4th big to back up KP, Rob, Al since all 3 of those guys are old or injury prone. That 4 headed monster up front (with Kornet as 5th big) allows us to load manage and keep everyone fresh/healthy come playoff time

[GoCeltics123]

hmmm....

The Raptors would never do that because Jaylen wouldn't stay there and also it's a bad trade for us.

Boucher is bad and OG is a way worse offensive player than Jaylen

[Celts17Pride]

hmmm....

The Raptors would never do that because Jaylen wouldn't stay there and also it's a bad trade for us.

Boucher is bad and OG is a way worse offensive player than Jaylen

Your missing the point, posters are trying to make the Celtics worse this year. Must be because the Celtics have their own 1st round pick for 2024.

[Bill Lumbergh]

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Whoa, whoa, let's not get crazy. Some of us are still struggling with Davison.

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hmmm....

The Raptors would never do that because Jaylen wouldn't stay there and also it's a bad trade for us.

Boucher is bad and OG is a way worse offensive player than Jaylen

Your missing the point, posters are trying to make the Celtics worse this year. Must be because the Celtics have their own 1st round pick for 2024.

I just edited my post above to include this, but here is some explanation as to why this benefits Boston:

Why for Boston:
-You avoid having to pay JB (66th in the league last season in BPM) that insane contract which would make him the highest paid player in the league..
-You get a player (OG) who is comparable in talent, comparable in age. OG is a much better defender, has more size/length while being less of a ball stopper, less ball dominant on offense. OG had higher EPM and higher TS% last season than JB..and he comes at a fraction of the cost
-You have more clearly defined pecking order. Tatum is THE 1, Porzingis is THE 2, and OG is THE 3
-Add front court depth with Boucher, who gives us a legit 4th big to back up KP, Rob, Al since all 3 of those guys are old or injury prone. That 4 headed monster up front (with Kornet as 5th big) allows us to load manage and keep everyone fresh/healthy come playoff time

As for JB resigning in Toronto, I don't see why not? He'd have an entire country to market his brand and the 7uice brand too, with the raptors being the only NBA team in Canada. He's be THE primary scorer and #1 option there. They'd have a good team, a playoff team with JB/Siakam/Barnes. And he'd be going to the team where he is most wanted.

[Celts17Pride]

The Raptors would never do that because Jaylen wouldn't stay there and also it's a bad trade for us.

Boucher is bad and OG is a way worse offensive player than Jaylen

Your missing the point, posters are trying to make the Celtics worse this year. Must be because the Celtics have their own 1st round pick for 2024.

I just edited my post above to include this, but here is some explanation as to why this benefits Boston:

Why for Boston:
-You avoid having to pay JB (66th in the league last season in BPM) that insane contract which would make him the highest paid player in the league..
-You get a player (OG) who is comparable in talent, comparable in age. OG is a much better defender, has more size/length while being less of a ball stopper, less ball dominant on offense
-You have more clearly defined pecking order. Tatum is THE 1, Porzingis is THE 2, and OG is THE 3
-Add front court depth with Boucher, who gives us a legit 4th big to back up KP, Rob, Al since all 3 of those guys are old or injury prone. That 4 headed monster up front (with Kornet as 5th big) allows us to load manage and keep everyone fresh/healthy come playoff time

As for JB resigning in Toronto, I don't see why not? He'd have an entire country to market his brand and the 7uice brand too, with the raptors being the only NBA team in Canada. He's be THE primary scorer and #1 option there. They'd have a good team, a playoff team with JB/Siakam/Barnes. And he'd be going to the team where he is most wanted.

Explain it any way you want, it’s bad. It doesn’t make the Celtics a better team

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Your missing the point, posters are trying to make the Celtics worse this year. Must be because the Celtics have their own 1st round pick for 2024.

I just edited my post above to include this, but here is some explanation as to why this benefits Boston:

Why for Boston:
-You avoid having to pay JB (66th in the league last season in BPM) that insane contract which would make him the highest paid player in the league..
-You get a player (OG) who is comparable in talent, comparable in age. OG is a much better defender, has more size/length while being less of a ball stopper, less ball dominant on offense. OG had higher EPM and higher TS% last season than JB..and he comes at a fraction of the cost
-You have more clearly defined pecking order. Tatum is THE 1, Porzingis is THE 2, and OG is THE 3
-Add front court depth with Boucher, who gives us a legit 4th big to back up KP, Rob, Al since all 3 of those guys are old or injury prone. That 4 headed monster up front (with Kornet as 5th big) allows us to load manage and keep everyone fresh/healthy come playoff time

As for JB resigning in Toronto, I don't see why not? He'd have an entire country to market his brand and the 7uice brand too, with the raptors being the only NBA team in Canada. He's be THE primary scorer and #1 option there. They'd have a good team, a playoff team with JB/Siakam/Barnes. And he'd be going to the team where he is most wanted.

Explain it any way you want, it’s bad. It doesn’t make the Celtics a better team

I just explained imo why it does. Do you have anything of substance to back up your opinion, or is "it's bad" all ya got?

If we can't come to an agreement on an extension with JB..or if we do sign him to an extension but then he asks out next summer, this might be our best option. Hell, it might be our best option either way..

If you think we're giving up too much and not getting enough, whatever - we can have Toronto add in a 2nd round pick - or even a 1st.

[Mr_Mojo_Risin]

Nuance gets lost on the internet so often. People are either for trading JB and/or Brogdon or not without condition apparently.

I'm in the camp of happy how we are, with maybe a TPE addition if fit is right or trading PP for something coming back that might fit us, like PP for Rubio (not that I believe Cavs would do that). However if a great value trade can be made with either JB or Brogdon which nets a return that we are either approximately the same level with a better fit/cost/health etc then I'm all for it.

There is only a handful of semi-realistic options I'd trade JB for and they're most likely not going to happen.

Brogdon is better offensively than most I'd trade for but with him I'd prefer to get a return of two decent quality players with better health and defense, but happy to keep him.