Jaylen Brown Thread

[jumblin]

Pros:
-good finisher around the rim
-can make tough, contested shots
-has shown he is capable of being a good 3pt shooter
-has length and size, not a defensive liability

Cons:
-turnover prone
-gets rim tunnel vision
-not much passing ability
-does not have a good feel for the game either on offense or defense

An anonymous player with that profile is generally someone you would want on your team. You'd think he was maybe a very young player still learning the mental side of the game. Or perhaps a very good role player, 6th man type. Not a guy who can carry your team, but a guy who can take advantage of favorable situations and use his physical skill to score.
The problem with Brown imo is that he is a good player who thinks he is a league top 5 guy. The solution to Brown is obvious and many have already stated it: he should not handle the ball. It just doesn't seem he is willing to accept this. He has been a well below average ball handler his entire career and has shown minimal improvement in this area, yet he still doggedly continues to try and bully his way through multiple defenders and seemingly cannot accept the fact that he just doesn't not have the dribbling ability to play like that. There is a cognitive dissonance with him that makes him appear very juvenile and immature. Imo Jaylen is not a winning player, and he's old enough now that I don't think he going to suddenly improve his basketball IQ and develop a feel for the game.

If you're Joe it seems to be a balance between massaging Jalyen's ego vs not hurting the team too much. Which sucks because it already means winning is not the top priority. I don't really know how you use a guy like Jaylen in a effective, *winning* way. He's a complete ball stopper on offense who slows things to a crawl and seems to always be looking to put a playground move on his defender and get on ESPN top 10, again a very juvenile mindset. The more defense challenges him, the more he seems to take it personal and gets baited into trying to dribble through a crowd and turns it over. If Joe were to tell Jaylen "your ball handling days are over", in today's NBA I imagine Jaylen will go sulk in the corner and post cryptic messages on Twitter. Imo he needs to be traded as soon as possible, if there is any team in the league that wants build their franchise around a guy who can't dribble. It would be addition by subtraction, anything you got in return would just be a bonus.

[exculpatory]

Pros:
-good finisher around the rim
-can make tough, contested shots
-has shown he is capable of being a good 3pt shooter
-has length and size, not a defensive liability

Cons:
-turnover prone
-gets rim tunnel vision
-not much passing ability
-does not have a good feel for the game either on offense or defense

An anonymous player with that profile is generally someone you would want on your team. You'd think he was maybe a very young player still learning the mental side of the game. Or perhaps a very good role player, 6th man type. Not a guy who can carry your team, but a guy who can take advantage of favorable situations and use his physical skill to score.
The problem with Brown imo is that he is a good player who thinks he is a league top 5 guy. The solution to Brown is obvious and many have already stated it: he should not handle the ball. It just doesn't seem he is willing to accept this. He has been a well below average ball handler his entire career and has shown minimal improvement in this area, yet he still doggedly continues to try and bully his way through multiple defenders and seemingly cannot accept the fact that he just doesn't not have the dribbling ability to play like that. There is a cognitive dissonance with him that makes him appear very juvenile and immature. Imo Jaylen is not a winning player, and he's old enough now that I don't think he going to suddenly improve his basketball IQ and develop a feel for the game.

If you're Joe it seems to be a balance between massaging Jalyen's ego vs not hurting the team too much. Which sucks because it already means winning is not the top priority. I don't really know how you use a guy like Jaylen in a effective, *winning* way. He's a complete ball stopper on offense who slows things to a crawl and seems to always be looking to put a playground move on his defender and get on ESPN top 10, again a very juvenile mindset. The more defense challenges him, the more he seems to take it personal and gets baited into trying to dribble through a crowd and turns it over. If Joe were to tell Jaylen "your ball handling days are over", in today's NBA I imagine Jaylen will go sulk in the corner and post cryptic messages on Twitter. Imo he needs to be traded as soon as possible, if there is any team in the league that wants build their franchise around a guy who can't dribble. It would be addition by subtraction, anything you got in return would just be a bonus.

Excellent.

[Stan34]

Pros:
-good finisher around the rim
-can make tough, contested shots
-has shown he is capable of being a good 3pt shooter
-has length and size, not a defensive liability

Cons:
-turnover prone
-gets rim tunnel vision
-not much passing ability
-does not have a good feel for the game either on offense or defense

An anonymous player with that profile is generally someone you would want on your team. You'd think he was maybe a very young player still learning the mental side of the game. Or perhaps a very good role player, 6th man type. Not a guy who can carry your team, but a guy who can take advantage of favorable situations and use his physical skill to score.
The problem with Brown imo is that he is a good player who thinks he is a league top 5 guy. The solution to Brown is obvious and many have already stated it: he should not handle the ball. It just doesn't seem he is willing to accept this. He has been a well below average ball handler his entire career and has shown minimal improvement in this area, yet he still doggedly continues to try and bully his way through multiple defenders and seemingly cannot accept the fact that he just doesn't not have the dribbling ability to play like that. There is a cognitive dissonance with him that makes him appear very juvenile and immature. Imo Jaylen is not a winning player, and he's old enough now that I don't think he going to suddenly improve his basketball IQ and develop a feel for the game.

If you're Joe it seems to be a balance between massaging Jalyen's ego vs not hurting the team too much. Which sucks because it already means winning is not the top priority. I don't really know how you use a guy like Jaylen in a effective, *winning* way. He's a complete ball stopper on offense who slows things to a crawl and seems to always be looking to put a playground move on his defender and get on ESPN top 10, again a very juvenile mindset. The more defense challenges him, the more he seems to take it personal and gets baited into trying to dribble through a crowd and turns it over. If Joe were to tell Jaylen "your ball handling days are over", in today's NBA I imagine Jaylen will go sulk in the corner and post cryptic messages on Twitter. Imo he needs to be traded as soon as possible, if there is any team in the league that wants build their franchise around a guy who can't dribble. It would be addition by subtraction, anything you got in return would just be a bonus.

Excellent.

Not a winning player? A man who did three ECF (2018, 2020, 2023) as a second best player on the team and and a trip to the final (2022). Really? Some people are always too harsh on Jaylen.

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[BK_2020]

Not a winning player? A man who did three ECF (2018, 2020, 2023) as a second best player on the team and and a trip to the final (2022). Really? Some people are always too harsh on Jaylen.

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I don't think even Jaylenstans would claim Jaylen was our 2nd best player in 2018 or 2020 playoffs. Jaylen was like the 4th or 5th option on those teams.

[Stan34]

Not a winning player? A man who did three ECF (2018, 2020, 2023) as a second best player on the team and and a trip to the final (2022). Really? Some people are always too harsh on Jaylen.

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I don't think even Jaylenstans would claim Jaylen was our 2nd best player in 2018 or 2020 playoffs. Jaylen was like the 4th or 5th option on those teams.

Really? In 2020 he finished with 22 points per game. In 2018 he scored basically the same as Tatum playing less minutes cause the injury in game 7 vs Milwaukee.
4th or 5th option? That's the reason JB is still on the team while the option you are talking about are gone

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[KillahGhostface]

[zoyathedestroya]

JB on, JT off lineups are now near-neutral. Trending in the right direction. Will bode well for non-Tatum lineups moving forward if Joe, JB, and co. are finding ways to keep team afloat in those minutes.

[zoyathedestroya]

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[BK_2020]

In honor of Naismith's passing, I am resharing this provocative question by Jaylen Brown.

[SuperDeluxe]

In honor of Naismith's passing, I am resharing this provocative question by Jaylen Brown.

I thought you were joking but no. The level of dumb (both the question and the spelling) is beyond words.

The other shoe must've been Jaylen's answer to himself.

When his career is over, he'll be suited for a job at some bakery.

[sam_I_am]

Not a winning player? A man who did three ECF (2018, 2020, 2023) as a second best player on the team and and a trip to the final (2022). Really? Some people are always too harsh on Jaylen.

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I don't think even Jaylenstans would claim Jaylen was our 2nd best player in 2018 or 2020 playoffs. Jaylen was like the 4th or 5th option on those teams.

Really? In 2020 he finished with 22 points per game. In 2018 he scored basically the same as Tatum playing less minutes cause the injury in game 7 vs Milwaukee.
4th or 5th option? That's the reason JB is still on the team while the option you are talking about are gone

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Jaylen Brown is 4th highest paid player on our roster this season. He has led the team in scoring 6 times. Is there another top 10 team in NBA with a 4th highest player (not on rookie deal) to lead team in scoring that often? Only one I can think of is Anthony Edwards. How many top teams even have a second player that has led the team in scoring more than a couple of times? Very few. Lakers, Suns, Bucks, Wolves, Magic.

[GoCeltics123]

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Lmao

[zoyathedestroya]

JB has 22 assists (2nd highest on team) and just 11 turnovers in his last 5 games. I can get behind this trend!! JT, better take notes lol. Tatum now has a worse A:TO than Brown for the season. JT actually has the worst A:TO among our regulars.

[shackles10]

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Lmao

Is he sweaty from watching Cops?

[VeryMuchWoke]

Every season we’ve seen some type of improvement with JB. I was really hopeful this offseason it would be his handles hopefully leading to his court vision yet the ball is still sticking in his hands. I have to wonder why the coaching staff isn’t addressing this or if he’s not just listening. It feels like its the last area really keeping him from becoming a star. He should be averaging j5/6 assists a game.

he's already a star he's just not a very top star and will never be a superstar.

That's always been my read on it as well, but he big jump in a:to through 18 games this year is very encouraging. So far he's at 1.5 this year. The 2 previous years he was at 1.25. That may be variance or just the chemistry with KP, but that's the biggest issue with Brown and Tatum both individually and as a duo.

For reference, Tatum in the past few seasons has been around 1.5, and this year he's at 1.33.

To have a great shot at a championship you need a high-usage player at 2 or so.

[zoyathedestroya]

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Flashes like today make you think he is capable of turning into a more disruptive defensive player. That is my hope with him having less offensive responsibility.

[KillahGhostface]

Stop sucking. TS now under 54%, the three ball is a real issue for him IMO. I still think the stuff close to the rim normalizes, but the outside shot has been bad for years now.

[Curmudgeon]

What is the date when he can officially be traded? I'm going to mark it on my calendar.

[TH15]

It’s sad that I now get excited when JB has a game where he doesn’t turn into a selfish chucker at the first opportunity. I will say that there has been a steady trend of improvement with less selfish play from him, although the 0 assists was not a good look last night.

I am a big JB fan and really want to see him succeed, but he infuriates me to no end. When his shot is falling, he is a max player, and when he’s moving the ball and focused on D, he is a max player. Sadly at this point those two occurrences even separately happen less than half the time combined these days it seems. He starts every season thinking he’s prime MJ and thinks he’s on fire every time he hits a shot. No way you can keep a respectable efficiency when such a high percentage of shots are “heat checks”.

His value will be more apparent in the playoffs since he is the rare player that can still get his consistently when the defense tightens up, but we need to see a continued dedication to the team process that JB did not bring to start the season, seemingly being too hung up on proving his new contract, but that he’s now slowly settling into

[JaMarco]

Stop sucking. TS now under 54%, the three ball is a real issue for him IMO. I still think the stuff close to the rim normalizes, but the outside shot has been bad for years now.

Imagine being a shooting guard in the NBA making max-contract money and can't shoot.