Celts Can't Pull a Rabbit Out of Their Hat! Loss vs ORL 11/24

[zoyathedestroya]

The thing with Joe, as someone mentioned, is there are rarely any countermoves of any value, especially with respect to play calls. Things get going the wrong way and he doesn't have much in his bag. Not much creativity there at all.

I think he's good at prepping for games/for the season. And I don't doubt that he puts in the work. But I don't trust him as much as an in-game manager due to his stubbornness or seeming lack of flexibility. I felt Stevens was good at both, just not that adept at handling personalities/egos on top of not having this much talent on his roster (outside of 2018-19).

[zoyathedestroya]

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Season-high seven-game home stand coming up.

[fallguy]

The thing with Joe, as someone mentioned, is there are rarely any countermoves of any value, especially with respect to play calls. Things get going the wrong way and he doesn't have much in his bag. Not much creativity there at all.

I think he's good at prepping for games/for the season. And I don't doubt that he puts in the work. But I don't trust him as much as an in-game manager due to his stubbornness or seeming lack of flexibility. I felt Stevens was good at both, just not that adept at handling personalities/egos on top of not having this much talent on his roster (outside of 2018-19).

Yup.

And one problematic thing compounds another. If Joe basically says to his guys "you figure it out" - which is a HUGE part of his in-game coaching philosophy (or cover for the fact that he can't adjust on the fly) then we're in trouble with JB being one of the prime decision-makers.

[GoGreen]

Do I like Joe as head coach? Nah. But I think I've reached a point where I just have to say it's the Jays.

We've seen these same problems for years: low effort, low energy, whining, bad body language, lack of toughness (both physical and mental). These dudes play like they'll just be handed a trophy eventually. The amount of entitlement in their games is so frustrating and games like this remind me that they're still the same divas no matter who they're surrouded by.

Come the playoffs what do you think will happen if KP is out, or Jrue? Imo they'll do what they always do: ISO, play hero ball, play your turn my turn ball, and lose.

[GoCeltics123]

It’s imperative that the top 6 guys are healthy for the Playoffs. There is just no way we win having to rely on the bench to play a major role. We tried to go to Brissett, and he missed a one footer, two FTs, and got cooked by Wagner in like a 30 second stretch lol. These dudes on the end of the bench just flat out suck at basketball. Playing any one of them for a short stretch could cost us Playoff games

Lamar Stevens is probably better than him

[Jammer]

The Celtics don't have a leader or coach who can reign in players. Recently, during a game, Mike Conley told Anthony Edwards that his 3 was not working and to attack the basket and get to the line. Minnesota won that one. Jaylen was 6-22. The team needed a different shot distribution. Doesn't matter if it wouldn't have been enough, the way they played was wrong. Someone has to reel in a guy who is off and let the shots go to who is on. You don't visibly show that you're not taking outside shots by whipping passes to teammates, so no one is the wiser. But this Celtic team doesn't have the leadership to reign in a guy who's off and distribute the shots to the guys who are shooting better THAT DAY. Until the Celtics get a Leader who can get EVERYONE to buy in they're probably not gonna win a Championship because there often are playoff games where guys are banged up or out or OFF and you have to adjust for that day. The Celtics are fine when everyone is healthy or when they are shooting well. They haven't figured a way, as a Team, to win when they are down players or shooting poorly due to a combination of poor Leadership, poor coaching, lack of maturity and selfishness.

[GoCeltics123]

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They rely too much on KP man

[leper-con]

DId White get injured?

[Smart2Nesmith43]

Remember when Danny Ainge cut Mo Wagner to make a point about the third unit blowing late leads and forcing the starters to go back in ? Even though it was the guys he drafted in Carsen Edwards and Tremont Waters that would jack up the stupidest shots and stink up the joint. I remember.

[Shak_Celts]

i don't know why we can never try and pull a rabbit out of our hat by playing a random player earlier when things aren't going well. why couldn't we toss banton, svi or lamar out there out of the blue, with the good players? we know what we're getting from brissy because he's always the guy we try in those moments and it only worked one time IIRC. we are so stringent and predictable with what we are going to do, what happened to throwing a curve that he kept saying preseason? banton cant shoot but he can get inside with ease, I wanted to see him a lil. with jrue out and pritch not standing out, someone else needed a look.

[zoyathedestroya]

i don't know why we can never try and pull a rabbit out of our hat by playing a random player earlier when things aren't going well. why couldn't we toss banton, svi or lamar out there out of the blue, with the good players? we know what we're getting from brissy because he's always the guy we try in those moments and it only worked one time IIRC. we are so stringent and predictable with what we are going to do, what happened to throwing a curve that he kept saying preseason? banton cant shoot but he can get inside with ease, I wanted to see him a lil. with jrue out and pritch not standing out, someone else needed a look.

You mentioned Queta earlier. Queta is with the G-League club. They won their game vs. Greensboro. Not that Joe would put him in anyway lol.

[BK_2020]

The Celtics don't have a leader or coach who can reign in players. Recently, during a game, Mike Conley told Anthony Edwards that his 3 was not working and to attack the basket and get to the line. Minnesota won that one. Jaylen was 6-22. The team needed a different shot distribution. Doesn't matter if it wouldn't have been enough, the way they played was wrong. Someone has to reel in a guy who is off and let the shots go to who is on. You don't visibly show that you're not taking outside shots by whipping passes to teammates, so no one is the wiser. But this Celtic team doesn't have the leadership to reign in a guy who's off and distribute the shots to the guys who are shooting better THAT DAY. Until the Celtics get a Leader who can get EVERYONE to buy in they're probably not gonna win a Championship because there often are playoff games where guys are banged up or out or OFF and you have to adjust for that day. The Celtics are fine when everyone is healthy or when they are shooting well. They haven't figured a way, as a Team, to win when they are down players or shooting poorly due to a combination of poor Leadership, poor coaching, lack of maturity and selfishness.

Your story says more about Ant than Conley tbh. Do you really think Conley has some special magical way of saying things or supereffective charisma against selfish players? If he does it sure didn't work with Donovan Mitchell.

[GoCeltics123]

Remember when Danny Ainge cut Mo Wagner to make a point about the third unit blowing late leads and forcing the starters to go back in ? Even though it was the guys he drafted in Carsen Edwards and Tremont Waters that would jack up the stupidest shots and stink up the joint. I remember.

Do not do this. Mo **** sucked here

[Parasite]

This loss is on Joe. We were up 62-50 early in the 3rd & the Magic went on an 8-0 run. Instead of calling a timeout he let it play out & we never got momentum back. Our offence was not good enough in the first half to let the players figure it out.

Also baffled as to why Jaylen reverted back to his bad habits after his awesome game against the Bucks.

You’ve presumably watched Jaylen for years and are…..baffled? Really. This just proves my sneaking suspicion that Celtics fans see only what they want to see.

[Bad-Thoma]

Blow it up, tank for the next decade.

[Parasite]

Game was lost in the 3rd when the Magic went in a 17-0 run and a 12 point lead turned into a 5 point deficit. No timeouts until the Magic took the lead. Magic then got all the confidence and played the game like it was the NBA finals.

Just coaching malpractice. I thought Joe would be better this year but he just sucks.

No no no. Didn’t you read all the glowing articles and didn’t you hear all of the right words coming out of Joe’s mouth? He’s a great talker so he’s a great coach! I mean, he has more than half of this board making excuses for his lousy coaching. The guy was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple. How someone like that can just waltz in and be handed the reins to this franchise is disgusting.

[BRUNiNHO91]

There’s always a team that has your number for some reason. The Isaiah Celtics used to play the Warriors as well as any other team.

But the Celtics haven't been very good for a while. A few close wins, a awful loss in Memphis, a near collapse against Milwaukee and now another bad loss.

Meh. This team just isn’t all that..

This loss basically kills us in the IST right? Going to have to beat the Bulls by like 23.

[Red2]

Marcus Sasser could have helped but just like Bane we drafted him and then shipped him off for second round picks

[Smart2Nesmith43]

Remember when Danny Ainge cut Mo Wagner to make a point about the third unit blowing late leads and forcing the starters to go back in ? Even though it was the guys he drafted in Carsen Edwards and Tremont Waters that would jack up the stupidest shots and stink up the joint. I remember.

Do not do this. Mo **** sucked here

Do not do what? Crap on players based on a 60 minute sample while they are trying to learn a new system on the fly after a midseason trade ? There was years of data before (and now after) his Boston stint that showed he was a fringe rotation guy in the NBA. It never made any sense to get rid of him so fast to protect the job of guys that never showed they belonged in the NBA in the first place.

[Jammer]

The thing with Joe, as someone mentioned, is there are rarely any countermoves of any value, especially with respect to play calls. Things get going the wrong way and he doesn't have much in his bag. Not much creativity there at all.

I think he's good at prepping for games/for the season. And I don't doubt that he puts in the work. But I don't trust him as much as an in-game manager due to his stubbornness or seeming lack of flexibility. I felt Stevens was good at both, just not that adept at handling personalities/egos on top of not having this much talent on his roster (outside of 2018-19).

Yup.

And one problematic thing compounds another. If Joe basically says to his guys "you figure it out" - which is a HUGE part of his in-game coaching philosophy (or cover for the fact that he can't adjust on the fly) then we're in trouble with JB being one of the prime decision-makers.

fallguy and zoya are on to something.