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Re: Celts' Boosters Stall On Reentry (Or Some Rocket Pun Like That)! Loss vs HOU 1/27 

Post#121 » by ThePigeon » Tue Jan 28, 2025 9:42 am

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ThePigeon wrote:Watch the last play. PP is watching Joe and telling JB and Luke to change places
Joe is to blame here is JB wasn't set when the ball was passed to Amen
Why this change when the ball is in Van Vleet's hand?
Why keep Springer on the bench?

Joe with a very bad move
And Brad should trade a big to force Joe to stop playing the double big
It is not working with the personnel we have

At least we lost missing Al, White and Hauser
Hope we will be healthy comes playoff

Do you have the longer video with that angle? I only saw that half of the court on lp.


watch closely from 07:25
I have league pass and you can clearly see PP instructing the switch
JB just came too fast and lost his footing
JT was lackadaisical closing Amen

What PP was doing there closing the inbound?
Kornet should have closed the inbound and Springer should have been on the court
This is totally on Joe. I hope he learns from it

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Post#122 » by Stan34 » Tue Jan 28, 2025 10:37 am

Fierce1 wrote:This loss does not bother me as much as JB trying to do too much.

JB is really starting to remind me of Carmelo.

This is not the 1st time JB scores a lot of points but the Celtics lost.
Regular Season. JB never disappointed in the playoff outside from the miami series in 22/23.
When he is locked in he is one of the most impactful players in the league, specially in the playoffs.
Stop hating on one player to justify our losses. If JT get doubled is normal JB try to do things. Yesterday we were missing a lot of players.
We are at our best when we play ferocious defense. We are going to win the title if we play our best on D.


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Post#123 » by Fierce1 » Tue Jan 28, 2025 10:39 am

Just when the Cs were gaining momentum after a 3-1 road trip, they sit 3 key players for a home game.

At least in the playoffs the rotation will not be a problem as the Jays will be at 40 minutes per game.
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Re: Celts' Boosters Stall On Reentry (Or Some Rocket Pun Like That)! Loss vs HOU 1/27 

Post#124 » by Fierce1 » Tue Jan 28, 2025 10:46 am

Stan34 wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:This loss does not bother me as much as JB trying to do too much.

JB is really starting to remind me of Carmelo.

This is not the 1st time JB scores a lot of points but the Celtics lost.
Regular Season. JB never disappointed in the playoff outside from the miami series in 22/23.
When he is locked in he is one of the most impactful players in the league, specially in the playoffs.
Stop hating on one player to justify our losses. If JT get doubled is normal JB try to do things. Yesterday we were missing a lot of players.
We are at our best when we play ferocious defense. We are going to win the title if we play our best on D.


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I agree.

It's not hating on JB.

He's just trying to do too much this season.

When he passes the ball, he's passing because he has no choice but to pass.

The ideal is he makes quick decisions when attacking and pass the ball when there are 2 or 3 defenders around you.

No doubt JB is an All-NBA player.
He just needs to play within the system.
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Post#125 » by jonige94 » Tue Jan 28, 2025 10:56 am

Just get Cooper Flagg for Tatum, please.
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Post#126 » by Stan34 » Tue Jan 28, 2025 11:06 am

Fierce1 wrote:
Stan34 wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:This loss does not bother me as much as JB trying to do too much.

JB is really starting to remind me of Carmelo.

This is not the 1st time JB scores a lot of points but the Celtics lost.
Regular Season. JB never disappointed in the playoff outside from the miami series in 22/23.
When he is locked in he is one of the most impactful players in the league, specially in the playoffs.
Stop hating on one player to justify our losses. If JT get doubled is normal JB try to do things. Yesterday we were missing a lot of players.
We are at our best when we play ferocious defense. We are going to win the title if we play our best on D.


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I agree.

It's not hating on JB.

He's just trying to do too much this season.

When he passes the ball, he's passing because he has no choice but to pass.

The ideal is he makes quick decisions when attacking and pass the ball when there are 2 or 3 defenders around you.

No doubt JB is an All-NBA player.
He just needs to play within the system.
No he is not. He is shooting only one shot per game more than the last season but he is playing two minutes more.
He has 4.8 assist, last year 3.6. He has the best assist/to ratio of his carrier.
In 22/23 he was taking two more shots per game and he has been very efficient with 49.1% FG.
Stop using some narrative cause those are not true. He is simply not shooting good, from three and unfortunately from two.
That's it, this year he is not efficient.
I bet he is going to be good as the season progress.
Last year in the playoffs he took only 0.9 shots less than right now. And he finished the post season with 51.6 % FG from the floor.


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Re: Celts' Boosters Stall On Reentry (Or Some Rocket Pun Like That)! Loss vs HOU 1/27 

Post#127 » by seiffert82 » Tue Jan 28, 2025 11:26 am

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Triple7 wrote:We can’t win when our **** best player plays like a scrub role player. So disgusting inefficient for a 6’10 forward. Yup, keep chucking 3’s JT lol. That’s why he was benched in the olympics, he was the worst shooter in that team that includes Bam and Jrue. Shot poorly in the playoffs, shot poorly in the olumpics, and now this season. He needs to effin change his shot/stroke. Not working anymore.

His stroke looks good to me, the bigger problem is shot quality… having JT receive a screen 25 ft from the hoop and step into a pull-up 3PTA over a center, what is the expected success rate with this approach. We’re running offense for contested threes with Steven Adams literally on top of him? can we maybe get some better looks than this?


Dude is a chuckster that ain’t really good at it. He bricks every forced 3’s he’s attempted this season. The ones he makes at a high rate, are wide open, not forced 3’s. Maybe its his shot selection and overall bbiq that’s the problem.
Plus, his stroke is flawed. He needs to cock it up from his waist. Not a free flowing shot. That’s why he can’t just go straight up for a shot. If he does that, he misses badly.


LOL, c'mon now.

Dude has a higher career EFG% than Bird, Cowens, McHale, Pierce, Havlicek and Garnett and a significantly higher PPG average than any of those guys except Bird.

Chuckster. Righto.

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Post#128 » by Fierce1 » Tue Jan 28, 2025 11:45 am

Stan34 wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:
Stan34 wrote:Regular Season. JB never disappointed in the playoff outside from the miami series in 22/23.
When he is locked in he is one of the most impactful players in the league, specially in the playoffs.
Stop hating on one player to justify our losses. If JT get doubled is normal JB try to do things. Yesterday we were missing a lot of players.
We are at our best when we play ferocious defense. We are going to win the title if we play our best on D.


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I agree.

It's not hating on JB.

He's just trying to do too much this season.

When he passes the ball, he's passing because he has no choice but to pass.

The ideal is he makes quick decisions when attacking and pass the ball when there are 2 or 3 defenders around you.

No doubt JB is an All-NBA player.
He just needs to play within the system.
No he is not. He is shooting only one shot per game more than the last season but he is playing two minutes more.
He has 4.8 assist, last year 3.6. He has the best assist/to ratio of his carrier.
In 22/23 he was taking two more shots per game and he has been very efficient with 49.1% FG.
Stop using some narrative cause those are not true. He is simply not shooting good, from three and unfortunately from two.
That's it, this year he is not efficient.
I bet he is going to be good as the season progress.
Last year in the playoffs he took only 0.9 shots less than right now. And he finished the post season with 51.6 % FG from the floor.


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It's not the number of shot attempts.

Look at JB's turnovers this season.

JB is averaging 2.7 turnovers per game this season.

That's higher compared to his 2.4 last season.
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Post#129 » by Stan34 » Tue Jan 28, 2025 12:00 pm

Fierce1 wrote:
Stan34 wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:I agree.

It's not hating on JB.

He's just trying to do too much this season.

When he passes the ball, he's passing because he has no choice but to pass.

The ideal is he makes quick decisions when attacking and pass the ball when there are 2 or 3 defenders around you.

No doubt JB is an All-NBA player.
He just needs to play within the system.
No he is not. He is shooting only one shot per game more than the last season but he is playing two minutes more.
He has 4.8 assist, last year 3.6. He has the best assist/to ratio of his carrier.
In 22/23 he was taking two more shots per game and he has been very efficient with 49.1% FG.
Stop using some narrative cause those are not true. He is simply not shooting good, from three and unfortunately from two.
That's it, this year he is not efficient.
I bet he is going to be good as the season progress.
Last year in the playoffs he took only 0.9 shots less than right now. And he finished the post season with 51.6 % FG from the floor.


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It's not the number of shot attempts.

Look at JB's turnovers this season.

JB is averaging 2.7 turnovers per game this season.

That's higher compared to his 2.4 last season.
He is 2.4 to 2.7 such a big deal? He is playing two minutes more. That's normal.
But his assist went from 3.6 to 4.8.
Every year people complaining about his assist/to ratio despite the efficiency were really good. Right now his efficiency is not great but he is improved in playmaking.
Sometimes people have to decide what's good and what's not.
JB is going to be fine.

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Post#130 » by Fierce1 » Tue Jan 28, 2025 12:00 pm

It's also not just a narrative, it's a fact that JB is trying to dribble against 2 or 3 defenders and ends up turning the ball over.
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Post#131 » by Fierce1 » Tue Jan 28, 2025 12:03 pm

Stan34 wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:
Stan34 wrote:No he is not. He is shooting only one shot per game more than the last season but he is playing two minutes more.
He has 4.8 assist, last year 3.6. He has the best assist/to ratio of his carrier.
In 22/23 he was taking two more shots per game and he has been very efficient with 49.1% FG.
Stop using some narrative cause those are not true. He is simply not shooting good, from three and unfortunately from two.
That's it, this year he is not efficient.
I bet he is going to be good as the season progress.
Last year in the playoffs he took only 0.9 shots less than right now. And he finished the post season with 51.6 % FG from the floor.


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It's not the number of shot attempts.

Look at JB's turnovers this season.

JB is averaging 2.7 turnovers per game this season.

That's higher compared to his 2.4 last season.
He is 2.4 to 2.7 such a big deal? He is playing two minutes more. That's normal.
But his assist went from 3.6 to 4.8.
Every year people complaining about his assist/to ratio despite the efficiency were really good. Right now his efficiency is not great but he is improved in playmaking.
Sometimes people have to decide what's good and what's not.
JB is going to be fine.

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I have confidence JB will be fine.

He just needs to improve in the decision making department.
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Post#132 » by Stan34 » Tue Jan 28, 2025 12:13 pm

Fierce1 wrote:It's also not just a narrative, it's a fact that JB is trying to dribble against 2 or 3 defenders and ends up turning the ball over.
It's not different from other years. JT has 2.8 TO so what?
The narrative is that he is trying to do too much.
We have a coach so, I think players are doing what coach tell them to do it.


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Post#133 » by Fierce1 » Tue Jan 28, 2025 12:38 pm

Stan34 wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:It's also not just a narrative, it's a fact that JB is trying to dribble against 2 or 3 defenders and ends up turning the ball over.
It's not different from other years. JT has 2.8 TO so what?
The narrative is that he is trying to do too much.
We have a coach so, I think players are doing what coach tell them to do it.

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The difference between JT and JB is JT has better decision making.

JT's turnovers are from bad passes or losing the ball.

But when JT sees 2 or 3 defenders, he immediately passes the ball without hesitation.

JB has this tendency to hold on to the ball longer than he should.
The processing of the situation has to be faster.

I don't mind JB's low shooting % this season because like you and I agree, he will be fine.

Just make quicker reads and be decisive with the ball.
That's all I'm wishing for.
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Re: Celts' Boosters Stall On Reentry (Or Some Rocket Pun Like That)! Loss vs HOU 1/27 

Post#134 » by Curmudgeon » Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:24 pm

The fact is that JB did not have a good 4th quarter last night. Same old mistakes.
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Post#135 » by Fierce1 » Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:32 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:The fact is that JB did not have a good 4th quarter last night. Same old mistakes.

True.

The good news is those mistakes can be corrected.
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Post#136 » by NYCelticsfan136 » Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:42 pm

The same thing is happening to this team which happened to Denver and milwaukee. All I heard in the off-season is how Tatum wanted more titles and wanted his name amongst the great celtics well he has been disappointing. You can’t waste your prime years away.
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Post#137 » by Fierce1 » Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:45 pm

NYCelticsfan136 wrote:The same thing is happening to this team which happened to Denver and milwaukee. All I heard in the off-season is how Tatum wanted more titles and wanted his name amongst the great celtics well he has been disappointing. You can’t waste your prime years away.

All the Celtic greats never got 50-60m per season.

Obviously JT is not wasting his prime years.
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Post#138 » by Larry_Russell » Tue Jan 28, 2025 2:14 pm

When JB Looks for his, it takes Tatum out of his most effective role, which is the hub of the teams offense.

I have never been on the train for this, but it might be time to consider options regarding JB being moved.
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Post#139 » by return2glory » Tue Jan 28, 2025 2:53 pm

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The_Ghost_of_JB wrote:The defense is the reason why they’re going to lose in the second round. Letting Brooks hit 10 threes is beyond ridiculous.


They do it ‘by design’. It’s one of the stupidest **** teams in the NBA. They never even attempted to guard Brooks.

lol brooks hit a bunch of jumpers he normally doesn’t hit.

There’s a reason teams have left him open all of his career.

He isn’t a good shooter.

It’s no different to how teams used to leave Smart open and he’d shoot us out of games or occasionally get hot.


He is shooting 38% from 3 this season. That would be second best on the Celtics behind Pritchard.
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Post#140 » by Fierce1 » Tue Jan 28, 2025 3:25 pm

There are positives in this loss.

JB making 2 clutch FTs.

JT scoring on a drive, instead of an outside shot, with 5 secs remaining.

I believe these tough losses will make the Cs more prepared for the playoffs.

And to think the Cs won all the clutch games in the playoffs and finals last year.

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