Trade Landscape/Trade Ideas

[Edug27]

Not a big Batum fan, think hes overhyped and overpaid at 11 mil a year ... But either way, I don't see Portland doing anything drastic. They finally have a group around LMA that is gelling .. they wont mess that up just yet. But I'm sure Avery would like that move, since his hometown is not too far away.

[freddiebutch]

The trade is basically a late 1st, CJ McCullum and Batum (I'm all set with Myers Leonard. You can dream about a 7 footer with potential, and Stevens "bringing it out" from him, I'll stick to reality and call him a bust that hasn't shown anything, in games, practice etc). The late 1st is probably 25 - 30. This draft is deep, but it aint that deep.

I also know Portland would be very stupid to tinker with that starting 5. Oh, and Wesley Matthews is a pretty d@mn good 2-guard. I'd take him over AB, so I really don't see why portland would be interested.

They could use Bass, and would probably move a 1st and salary fillers for him, but you are crazy if you think they would trade a guy like Batum for anything less than a star player. He is too valuable to that team right now and that starting 5 is playing too good to mess around with.

They are definitely an interesting trading partner however, as the bench will need upgrades as the season goes on. They could certainly use any of Bass, Humphries, Lee, Crawford. I could see a small deal, but nothing major.

[brackdan70]

who says no

Boston/Portland

Boston sends Jeff Green, Avery Bradley + Brandon Bass to the Blazers for Nic Batum, CJ McCullom, Meyers Leonard and a 1st round pick?

Why for Boston: Get younger. Add another pick. CJ Mc could end up being a steal. Imagine if he turns into a stud scoring guard? Personally, I'd rather Batum over Green. He's more of a well rounded small forward who's also 2 years younger. Leonard hasn't proven anything yet but he'd give Boston a young/athletic 7'1 player to develop.

Why for Portland: Win NOW! More depth. One of the best teams in the league already. LMA is having a career year. Damien L is a legit lead guard. you add Bradley into a back court mix also featuring Lillaird/Matthews/Williams and you have 1 of the best back court charts in the league. Green can do a lot of what Batum does... Bass is an upgrade over Leonard...can be that 3rd big off the bench behind Lopez and LMA.. Bass can guard multiple positions...Knock down the pick and pop. I doubt Portland wants to trust Thomas Robinson in the playoffs... Bass they can trust.

Lillard/Bradley/Green/LMA/Lopez
Williams/Matthews/Bass/Robinson

That's their 9 man playoff rotation. wow

Portland would laugh hysterically right? Batum is head and shoulders above Green. really good player and only 25. Lenard is only 21, hardly a bust.

I don't think trade would make Portland better

[Andrew McCeltic]

I like the Green/Lee for Bynum/Cavs 1st trade idea floating around.. 'We think Andrew Bynum can still be a very good basketball player for us, and the salary savings were too much to pass up."

Unfortunately, with Bradley and Crawford due for extensions, we won't make a free agent dent without dumping Wallace.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Though actually, 8 million a year to Bradley and 6 to Crawford would leave us with 10-11 million to spend...

[brackdan70]

Though actually, 8 million a year to Bradley and 6 to Crawford would leave us with 10-11 million to spend...

will have 5-6 million for our two draft picks as well.

[rickrolled]

Let's make 2 trades this year close to or at the deadline:

Bass/Lee for Asik (no picks).

Hump/Wallace for Amare/Shumpert.


Then in the offseason:

*Draft, own top 3 pick, Nets/Hawks pick top 6, draft Parker and Embiid. 4.4 million for Parker #3 and 3.3 million for Embiid #6.

*Sign and trade Bradley for Hayward, Hayward starting salary at 9 to 9.5 million.

*Sign Pierce for two years 2.5 mill per year.

*Trade Faverani as a salary dump, 2 million expiring, has a team option 3rd year.

*Sign Colton Iverson to a minimum scale contract.

*Use stretch provision on Amare, get a cap hit of 7,8 million for 3 seasons.

*Re-sign Crawford as backup PG.

*Sign extension with Rondo during season.

Roster for 2014/15:

Rondo/Crawford/Pressey
Hayward/Shumpert
Green/Parker/Pierce
Sully/Olynyk
Asik/Embiid/Iverson

Stay under luxury tax line.

[Gugna]

*Draft, own top 3 pick, Nets/Hawks pick top 6, draft Parker and Embiid. 4.4 million for Parker #3 and 3.3 million for Embiid #6

So you think all three of Boston, BKN and Atlanta will be bottom six in the league. I really doubt that but that would really be great for our rebuilding.

[rickrolled]

*Draft, own top 3 pick, Nets/Hawks pick top 6, draft Parker and Embiid. 4.4 million for Parker #3 and 3.3 million for Embiid #6

So you think all three of Boston, BKN and Atlanta will be bottom six in the league. I really doubt that but that would really be great for our rebuilding.

I'm trying to stay optimistic

On the bright side, BKN are 10 games under .500 and face the Spurs on the road tonight, certainly looks like a bottom 6 team. ATL slide hopefully starts tonight against us, they have a brutal schedule in january.

The trades I suggested this year certainly will make us lose games, plus we start january with a brutal western road trip.

Anything can happen.

[brackdan70]

Let's make 2 trades this year close to or at the deadline:

Bass/Lee for Asik (no picks).

Hump/Wallace for Amare/Shumpert.


Then in the offseason:

*Draft, own top 3 pick, Nets/Hawks pick top 6, draft Parker and Embiid. 4.4 million for Parker #3 and 3.3 million for Embiid #6.

*Sign and trade Bradley for Hayward, Hayward starting salary at 9 to 9.5 million.

*Sign Pierce for two years 2.5 mill per year.

*Trade Faverani as a salary dump, 2 million expiring, has a team option 3rd year.

*Sign Colton Iverson to a minimum scale contract.

*Use stretch provision on Amare, get a cap hit of 7,8 million for 3 seasons.

*Re-sign Crawford as backup PG.

*Sign extension with Rondo during season.

Roster for 2014/15:

Rondo/Crawford/Pressey
Hayward/Shumpert
Green/Parker/Pierce
Sully/Olynyk
Asik/Embiid/Iverson

Stay under luxury tax line.

that would be fabulous but our picks very well might be more like 15 and 18......
Maybe settler for Willy Cauley and Rodney Hood

[KJandHondo35]

Here’s a fantasy trade idea to chew on...

Bucks Get:
Hump
Fav
Clippers 2015 1st
Next Knicks available 1st

Knicks Get:
GWall
Caron Butler
Bradley

Celtics Get:
Larry Sanders
Iman Shumpert
Amare Stoundemire

Works Salary wise, MIL gets a big expiring to save money and two 1st rounder’s and a cheap Big. Knicks get rid of Amare's contract and get expirings to help their cap issues and an asset in Bradley. Cs get a real Center that is top in the NBA defensively and is young, Iman who is close defensively to Avery but bigger, and Amare who is less overall salary than Gwall.
Thoughts?

[rickrolled]

Cavs-Lakers discussing possible Bynum/Gasol swap.

Cavs could crawl their way into the playoffs.

Washington, Toronto seems to have found their niche. Detroit up and down but still should make the playoffs. Chicago I just know will make it because they're a grind it out type of team and they have Thibs.

Then you have Miami and Indiana, that's 6 . Teams i'm really dissapointed in are Charlotte, Knicks. They just can't win despite the horrible east. I don't think it's good for the Celtics to reach the playoffs, because of other teams weakness and the great draft next year.

Hopefully the Hawks plummet and teams like Cleveland, NY hits their stride soon. Charlotte is actually 6th right now but could improve even more, NY and Cle should really get things going soon. Hopefully Gasol makes the Cavs better and let's see if the Knicks makes a move.

[KGboss]

Here’s a fantasy trade idea to chew on...

Bucks Get:
Hump
Fav
Clippers 2015 1st
Next Knicks available 1st

Knicks Get:
GWall
Caron Butler
Bradley

Celtics Get:
Larry Sanders
Iman Shumpert
Amare Stoundemire

Works Salary wise, MIL gets a big expiring to save money and two 1st rounder’s and a cheap Big. Knicks get rid of Amare's contract and get expirings to help their cap issues and an asset in Bradley. Cs get a real Center that is top in the NBA defensively and is young, Iman who is close defensively to Avery but bigger, and Amare who is less overall salary than Gwall.
Thoughts?

I like the effort, but would not trade Bradley for Shumpert at this point. Last year - maybe.

[Slartibartfast]

I'd like to get in on the Pau/Bynum swap by breaking up my earlier suggested trade.

LA sends Pau, Wes Johnson
LA receives Bynum, Bogans, Crawford

Cleveland send Bynum
Cleveland receives Hump, Faverani, Wes Johnson

Boston sends Hump, Bogans, Crawford, Faverani
Boston receives Pau

LA gets out of the tax and gets a look at Crawford, while armoring their tank.

Cleveland fills out their frontcourt with a reliable vet contributor and a decent C prospect, plus gets another body on the wing.

Boston gets early bird rights on a starting caliber center without having to give up a pick.

[165bows]

I'd like to get in on the Pau/Bynum swap by breaking up my earlier suggested trade.

LA sends Pau, Wes Johnson
LA receives Bynum, Bogans, Crawford

Cleveland send Bynum
Cleveland receives Hump, Faverani, Wes Johnson

Boston sends Hump, Bogans, Crawford, Faverani
Boston receives Pau

LA gets out of the tax and gets a look at Crawford, while armoring their tank.

Cleveland fills out their frontcourt with a reliable vet contributor and a decent C prospect, plus gets another body on the wing.

Boston gets early bird rights on a starting caliber center without having to give up a pick.

Count me in on that sort of deal. I wouldn't want to give up a lot, but a buy-low opportunity to see if Gasol is just struggling? I would be all over that.

[Celts17Pride]

So Cleveland passes on Pau Gasol for Vitor, Humps and Wes Johnson? Why would Cleveland do that?

[Slartibartfast]

I'd like to get in on the Pau/Bynum swap by breaking up my earlier suggested trade.

LA sends Pau, Wes Johnson
LA receives Bynum, Bogans, Crawford

Cleveland send Bynum
Cleveland receives Hump, Faverani, Wes Johnson

Boston sends Hump, Bogans, Crawford, Faverani
Boston receives Pau

LA gets out of the tax and gets a look at Crawford, while armoring their tank.

Cleveland fills out their frontcourt with a reliable vet contributor and a decent C prospect, plus gets another body on the wing.

Boston gets early bird rights on a starting caliber center without having to give up a pick.

Count me in on that sort of deal. I wouldn't want to give up a lot, but a buy-low opportunity to see if Gasol is just struggling? I would be all over that.

And even the struggling version of Pau ain't bad. Per 36 this year, he's putting up 18/11/4 with 1.5 blocks. His shooting %s are weak (.488 TS%) but those numbers indicate he's still got the size and skill to contribute in a big way.

I think the team that trades for Pau can probably get him for an old Duncan/KG type deal this offseason ($10-$12 mil per). I'd like to be that team. Next year Rondo/Bradley/Green/Sully/Pau would be a 50 win team in the east. And with all those picks we can either go for broke and turn Crash/Bass/pick orgy into a player that makes it a 60 win team, or go patient and nurture mid-first rounders and value signings in a winning environment like the Pacers have been doing.

[Slartibartfast]

So Cleveland passes on Pau Gasol for Vitor, Humps and Wes Johnson? Why would Cleveland do that?

Because they might not want Pau long-term. Pau would be a very expensive rental if it's just a half-season fling. We're talking about $7+ mil more in guaranteed money, plus the inclusion of whatever other marginal assets the Cavs would have to include.

With Fav/Hump/Johnson they are taking on only $3 mil extra, filling 2 additional roster spots and getting a C with more long-term appeal in Fav.

[Pogue Mahone]

BOS
Trades Brandon Bass

SAC
Trades Jason Thompson and Ray McCallum

WHY:

BOS: Save money in 2014. Get a rebounding big man who can shoot-- within 16'. His problem/current role, is that the many of his attempts are from 16+'. Get a backup point guard who is good in pick game. Personally, I think McCallum has a lot of potential. He reminds me of Delonte West with better handles. Due to his contract, if he pans out, the Celtics would retain his Bird Rights.

SAC: Shed long term salary. Hopefully go off the deep end when appraising Bass' value. Perhaps the Celtics could buoy the trade by expanding it but I just hope that shedding Thompson's extra years will be enough of an enticement for the Kings to realize that Bass is just the life preserver the Kings need. I really think that Bass, with his BBIQ and reaction times, would take to that Sacramento roster like a duck to water. He would probably enjoy himself getting to watch Cousins all game long.

[Jammer]

Trade ID # 6395124

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6395124

Here's an Asik trade that may not have been proposed:

Omer Asik: 8.3 Million Cap Salary this year and Next, Actual Salary is 5 Million this year and 15 Million Next Year

Celtics Trade Courtney Lee and Keith Bogans, straight up, NO PICKS involved.

Bogans can be waived at the end of the season, as his salary for the next two years are not guaranteed.

Houston gets an excellent 3 point shooter at SG, you can never have too many 3 point shooters since there are days when no one's hitting.

Houston's a*hole GM Morey is extricated from his broken promise not to bring anyone in in front of Asik (according to Asik, which was the basis for the trade request). Recently hired Executive Vice President (fresh from his release by Mark Cuban) Gershon gets to clean up Morey's ineptitude. No honor in that organization. There isn't a player in any sport that couldn't be traded in 5 1/2 months (date from Asik's initial request).

And the pity is, any time up to the trade deadline Asik can be traded simply for players/picks.

Morey's stall tactic, hoping to hold onto Asik until the 2014 draft and extract a higher pick than presently possible, is as amateurish as it gets. No team will give up a pick come June, and pay Asik 15 million next season, without Asik's assurance that he will re-sign with them 1 year later. Since Asik won't give that (he'll keep his options open, and screw Morey/Houston in the process); Houston should have seen this coming and acted accordingly. If Asik is still in Houston next season it just means that the Houston ownership hired a GM without the business acumen to see the landscape as it will be come June. But that also may be part of the reason why Morey now has a new boss.