Summer Trade/(OffSeason) Thread 2017

ConstableGeneva · Post #1201 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:41 pm

Chris Reichert @Chris_Reichert: "The Boston Celtics have named Scott Morrison an asst coach for 2017-18 season. Morrison has been head coach in D-League w/Maine for 3 years"

I wonder if anyone's leaving.

CollegeToPros · Post #1202 » by **CollegeToPros** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:46 pm

Scarletfire81 wrote:
Roddy wrote:
Scarletfire81 wrote:Ainge may have to overpay to Pozingus. 2017 #3 2018 LAL and 2018 NETS with Brown. DO WE DO IT?

We are talking about Porzingis, not Anthony Davis (well, even for Davis it's too much).

Maybe if we replace Brown with Crowder and 2018 BKN with 2018 Celtics?

3, LAL 18, and Crowder

Jakeopp · Post #1203 » by **Jakeopp** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:18 pm

Read on Twitter

anyone but LA...

drs123310 · Post #1204 » by **drs123310** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:36 pm

Jakeopp wrote:

Read on Twitter

anyone but LA...

Yep. C'mon Cavs we need a bailout!!!

Andrew McCeltic · Post #1205 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 9:38 pm

Jakeopp wrote:

Read on Twitter

anyone but LA...

Getting Otto Porter under contract, and maybe Mahinmi back as 5, would be a big save for them.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #1206 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 9:38 pm

CrowderKeg wrote:Chris Reichert @Chris_Reichert: "The Boston Celtics have named Scott Morrison an asst coach for 2017-18 season. Morrison has been head coach in D-League w/Maine for 3 years"

I wonder if anyone's leaving.

There's a rumor Micah Shrewsberry [sic?] is being considered for the Butler HC job.

ConstableGeneva · Post #1207 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 9:41 pm

Andrew McCeltic wrote:
CrowderKeg wrote:Chris Reichert @Chris_Reichert: "The Boston Celtics have named Scott Morrison an asst coach for 2017-18 season. Morrison has been head coach in D-League w/Maine for 3 years"

I wonder if anyone's leaving.

There's a rumor Micah Shrewsberry [sic?] is being considered for the Butler HC job.

I believe that was already taken, but yes, he was considered for the job. Interviewed twice I think.

Post #1208 » by **djFan71** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:25 pm

CrowderKeg wrote:
Banks2Pierce wrote:
CrowderKeg wrote:More and more, I'm getting convinced the two-star acquisition (1 via trade; 1 via FA) isn't the way to go mainly due to the astronomical paycheck/tax the owners would have to pay in the next few years.

Those calculations seem to come from IT making 30m and I think that's the part where we can get off the carousel. Can make it weird for the next star acquisition depending on when they hit FA if we had let IT walk, but I think we can make it work. Important to keep Crowder on the books because of his low number. Someone needs to make a calculator to plug in this nonsense.

Even at a very generous hometown discount of $20M for IT in his 1st year, the salary between four guys would be $111,973,710.00 with the cap at $102M and lux tax threshold at $124M. Add in Brown, Smart (ex. $12M), BKN 2018 (3rd pick), #3, and Zizic = $32,269,080. Fill in the roster with four five-year vets at minimum = $6,838,152.

Total salary is at $151,080,942.00. Using old CBA tax comp (if it hasn't changed), luxury tax would be $115,094,003.50.
Total bill: $266,174,945.50.

I could be wrong with my math/assumptions, but I don't think I'm far off (someone please check my homework). I'm sure Zarren has already made several of these scenarios/salary computations and have shown them to the owners. If a two-star acquisition happens, then it indicates they're willing to pay for it. Good for us fans! But that cost is huge and will only go up every year.

I'm with CrowderKeg, and don't care a ton about Wyc's checkbook. It's more about roster flexibility and getting value beyond salary. If you think maxing the standard IT/Butler or George/Hayward or Griffin/Horford gets you there completely to title contender - go for it. That's absolutely when you pay the tax. But, I don't think it does - you're dang close and a darkhorse, but not a true contender. So, I don't wanna be in tax hell and not playing in the finals. You have that roster and payroll minus what you gave up in trades, you don't have many avenues to improve beyond that core. You can tweak around the edges, but nothing significant. And if AD (or other, just an example) pops up for a trade, you think New Orleans is itching to reset around any of those max guys we have in exchange?

Obviously depends on the details of how you acquire these guys and what goes out, and what young guys you're relegating to the bench, etc. But that starts limiting the ways you can build a truly great team.

SupremeIT4 · Post #1209 » by **SupremeIT4** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 12:43 am

Wtf is Danny doing . I'm getting really annoyed

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amory87 · Post #1210 » by **amory87** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 12:53 am

Trade 3 to the Kings for 5 and 10

Trade 5, Bradley, Zeller to CHI for Butler

Easy

BannerStatus · Post #1211 » by **BannerStatus** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 1:27 am

On one hand you can make the case that LAL trading any assets for PG is a waste for this year since he's nearly a lock to sign there next year and they can just do it for money without costing any assets.

On the other hand, if it's going to take some lesser pieces that aren't in their long-term plans - basically some permeation of the trade that's out there now, why not do it so you can integrate PG with Lonzo and Luke's system this year and get the core building chemistry now, then add LBJ next year, instead of trying to integrate two superstar alpha's in the same year, neither are getting any younger and that's just one more year later towards building that championship level chemistry.

I think there's a lot of value to LAL in adding PG this year and not waiting. As much as I hate to say that cuz it's going to probably guarantee that the LAL pick next year conveys to 2019 SAC.

If I were LAL, I'd make that happen, can't see how it doesn't.

celticfan42487 · Post #1212 » by **celticfan42487** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 2:02 am

Spurs cleared almost max cap space. CP3 must of told the Clippers it's over he's leaving.

Read on Twitter

Disinformation · Post #1213 » by **Disinformation** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 2:03 am

celticfan42487 wrote:Spurs cleared almost max cap space. CP3 must of told the Clippers it's over he's leaving.

Read on Twitter

Good news if Danny wants Blake.

31to6 · Post #1214 » by **31to6** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 2:04 am

CrowderKeg wrote:Chris Reichert @Chris_Reichert: "The Boston Celtics have named Scott Morrison an asst coach for 2017-18 season. Morrison has been head coach in D-League w/Maine for 3 years"

I wonder if anyone's leaving.

maybe the authorities finally found the bodies that Jay Larranaga's hidden in the woods.

[i apologize this is a terrible joke about his crazy eyes]

celticfan42487 · Post #1215 » by **celticfan42487** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 2:05 am

dei1c3 wrote:
celticfan42487 wrote:Spurs cleared almost max cap space. CP3 must of told the Clippers it's over he's leaving.

Read on Twitter

Good news if Danny wants Blake.

**** broken down Blake Griffin.

Let's get Deandre Jordan. The only player that can cover for Horford's flaws as a player and transform our defense into the juggxrnaught it was two years ago.

Do what it takes to get Deandre.

BSA · Post #1216 » by **BSA** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 4:26 am

Alex Len is a RFA.

Would he be someone we might look to bring in on the cheap to replace Zeller?

Still only 24 and has shown some flashes of potential in his 4 years in the NBA.

Post #1217 » by **Darth Celtic** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 4:28 am

BSA wrote:Alex Len is a RFA.

Would he be someone we might look to bring in on the cheap to replace Zeller?

Still only 24 and has shown some flashes of potential in his 4 years in the NBA.

If you feel Ale Len > Hayward or Blake G., then sure. because that would be the cost unless he signed for vet min.

GoCeltics123 · Post #1218 » by **GoCeltics123** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 4:29 am

BSA wrote:Alex Len is a RFA.

Would he be someone we might look to bring in on the cheap to replace Zeller?

Still only 24 and has shown some flashes of potential in his 4 years in the NBA.

Stop. He's not even better than Zeller and will want the same $ in the new cap era

Post #1219 » by **Froob** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 4:30 am

#3 for Patrick Beverly been suggested yet? Feels inveitable. Oh and how did Danny let Dwight go for so little? Should have offered all 3 high picks.

BSA · Post #1220 » by **BSA** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 4:34 am

Darth Celtic wrote:
BSA wrote:Alex Len is a RFA.

Would he be someone we might look to bring in on the cheap to replace Zeller?

Still only 24 and has shown some flashes of potential in his 4 years in the NBA.

If you feel Ale Len > Hayward or Blake G., then sure. because that would be the cost unless he signed for vet min.

Not sold on Hayward choosing us and if Jordan is traded from the Clippers I think Griffin stays there.