Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money"

[StojkoVrankovic]

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hilarious. everyone has a source

I bet this is Sherrod's source. lol

Looks like afam got a new ride and some shades

[Homerclease]

Thing is, I don't need to parse and spin to make my points. Proven endlessly now, the dude is a just above average 3-point shooter who is well below average within the 3-point line. Not efficient, not consistent, not elite or "knockdown" (from 3 or anywhere else).

Further, in the original context of what a different team will pay him, he is doing it primarily spot-up and off the ball as a 4th or 5th option, usually off the bench. This is a very different thing than creating your own opportunities as a starter in a featured role.

He has no business being compared to Smart in terms of his ability to impact or win games in this league.

You’re shifting the goalposts. We’re talking strictly about 3 point shooting here. And either one isn’t going to have a featured role here with Kyrie, Brown, Tatum and Hayward all above them on the food chain.

He does have business being compared to Smart because their next contracts aren’t being paid for past work rather the work they do in the future. Given the twos growth trajectory, I expect Rozier to surpass Marcus in terms of overall impact sooner rather than later.

I’m not parsing or spinning anything. Both are flawed players with strengths and weaknesses. If we keep both or lose both, they are likely 6th or 7th best players on a championship team at best

I'm not moving any goal posts. Been making the same points all along, and talking to five of you in the process. You are jumping in to a larger conversation to defend the lone point of Rozier being a knockdown 3-point shooter when that is demonstrably, quantifiably, and inarguably not the case.

"10th best 3-point shooting PG out of 40 qualified players" is an obfuscation. Especially when he is closer to 24th on that list than he is to 5th. Especially when he wasn't even really a PG to begin with this past year. Out of 95 guards who shot enough 3s to qualify this year, Terry was about 32nd best, and only marginally ahead of guys like Chris Paul, Oladipo, Wall, and Harden, who all had to create looks for themselves vs far greater defensive attention.

That's not considered elite by anyone that doesn't sleep in Larry Bird underoos.

I see. So he’s not better enough than other guys. Got it. And Rozier didn’t have to create looks for himself after Kyrie went down? Better yet, how many minutes did Kyrie and Terry even spend on the court together? The only one creating any looks for Rozier would be Horford and that’s certainly comparable to the second bananas that some of the guys you mentioned have.

[Homerclease]

Thing is, I don't need to parse and spin to make my points. Proven endlessly now, the dude is a just above average 3-point shooter who is well below average within the 3-point line. Not efficient, not consistent, not elite or "knockdown" (from 3 or anywhere else).

Further, in the original context of what a different team will pay him, he is doing it primarily spot-up and off the ball as a 4th or 5th option, usually off the bench. This is a very different thing than creating your own opportunities as a starter in a featured role.

He has no business being compared to Smart in terms of his ability to impact or win games in this league.

The last line is crap there are a bunch of games Boston doesn't win this season without Rozier. Mostly the games from February to April that Smart didn't play because he "punched a picture frame" from either taking a terrible shot against the Lakers that cost the team a win or because some internet weed skank outed him take your pick. Rozier bailed this team out when we literally had no other PG, no Irving, Smart or even Larkin.

I don't hate Terry, but Smart *obviously* had a greater impact on winning games this year. We are an ordinary offensive team that wins with coaching, defense and grit. Stevens, Horford, and Smart define our identity.

And that has zero bearing on the future you do realize that yes?

[Bill Lumbergh]

I really don't want to lose Smart. We all know his weaknesses on offense, but man, his impact on winning some games has been massive. He had his hands all over that Houston win, and the Philly game 7. Incredible stuff. All comes down to price, I guess, but what he brings is hard to quantify.

[itrsteve]

Somebody needs to explain to him how the CBA works and the implication if the C’s pay him over the QA and the impact of the upcoming seasons. If you sat him down with the numbers then maybe he wouldn’t feel so insulted if the big picture was known?

I’m torn as I don’t want him to leave, but 18/19 isn’t the season to start the luxury tax counter. There’s a very short window to “go for it” financially and it can’t start until next season.

[Captain_Caveman]

The last line is crap there are a bunch of games Boston doesn't win this season without Rozier. Mostly the games from February to April that Smart didn't play because he "punched a picture frame" from either taking a terrible shot against the Lakers that cost the team a win or because some internet weed skank outed him take your pick. Rozier bailed this team out when we literally had no other PG, no Irving, Smart or even Larkin.

I don't hate Terry, but Smart *obviously* had a greater impact on winning games this year. We are an ordinary offensive team that wins with coaching, defense and grit. Stevens, Horford, and Smart define our identity.

And that has zero bearing on the future you do realize that yes?

In Smart's case, but not Terry's apparently.

Among the many other bad point made in this thread, I also reject the notion that Smart has not improved as a player since his rookie year. He is a much better playmaker, and a much defender than he was coming in. He has also become a team leader, on and off the floor.

[sully00]

To me even if Rozier keeps it up from 3, what is his ceiling? Lou Williams? Eric Bledsoe maybe? I sure as hell wouldn't take either of them over Smart.

I'd rather just keep them both because they compliment each other well, but don't know how likely that is.

I think those are bad comparisons. Rozier is a much better defensive player than Williams. Bledsoe was at one time as a good a defender as Smart but as he became an offensive star his defense deteriorated and now he is just kind of an a-hole. Where he isn't very good offensively or defensively.

I think Rozier can be Kemba Walker. Walker had tons of undeserved opportunity based on his draft status and after 7 years has become pretty effective. He is also a good rebounder for a guard. I think in year 3 Rozier was better than Walker in year 3. Dennis Shroder is another decent comparison. I think he reminds me the most of Jason Terry with some defensive ability. I think he could be great as a championship level 6th man but also a guy you can get by with as your starting PG if you have other stars.

[brackdan70]

Somebody needs to explain to him how the CBA works and the implication if the C’s pay him over the QA and the impact of the upcoming seasons. If you sat him down with the numbers then maybe he wouldn’t feel so insulted if the big picture was known?

I’m torn as I don’t want him to leave, but 18/19 isn’t the season to start the luxury tax counter. There’s a very short window to “go for it” financially and it can’t start until next season.

I would guess Smarts camp is well aware of all the implications.

[Homerclease]

I don't hate Terry, but Smart *obviously* had a greater impact on winning games this year. We are an ordinary offensive team that wins with coaching, defense and grit. Stevens, Horford, and Smart define our identity.

And that has zero bearing on the future you do realize that yes?

In Smart's case, but not Terry's apparently.

Among the many other bad point made in this thread, I also reject the notion that Smart has not improved as a player since his rookie year. He is a much better playmaker, and a much defender than he was coming in. He has also become a team leader, on and off the floor.

I never said he didn’t. My point was Rozier is getting better at a greater and faster rate. Both players can improve at the same time. One has improved more than the other. If Smart wants to be a better playmaker, he needs to cut down on his turnovers drastically. Something he’s been unable to do.

[K For Three]

With all this praise being lavished on Rozier, I can only hope Greg Popovich feels the exact same way.

[twoplusone]

Somebody needs to explain to him how the CBA works and the implication if the C’s pay him over the QA and the impact of the upcoming seasons. If you sat him down with the numbers then maybe he wouldn’t feel so insulted if the big picture was known?

I’m torn as I don’t want him to leave, but 18/19 isn’t the season to start the luxury tax counter. There’s a very short window to “go for it” financially and it can’t start until next season.

I mean, I get your perspective, but it's hard to fault a guy for getting his value. As someone who grew up a Celtics fan I'd probably do it, but taking a multi million dollar hair cut is a tough pill. Especially when Danny is likely to trade him at some point lol.

[Bill Lumbergh]

To me, the Smart and Rozier comparison is not quite apples to apples. If we keep Kyrie, then I think Smart is the better fit. Without Kyrie, I'd keep Rozier, because we'd need more offense from the position.

[Celts17Pride]

Needed a new thread for this? 61 pages in the other topic is not enough?

[TheMartian]

My only gripe with Marcus is he tends to chuck a lot of bricks. Those shots might as well be turnovers and even Smart die-hards have to admit that. Everything else he does helps the team though, so the positives outweigh the negatives. He just has to get better at shooting, or if he can't, then he just has to shoot less.

I hope he stays a Celtic.

[itrsteve]

I mean, I get your perspective, but it's hard to fault a guy for getting his value. As someone who grew up a Celtics fan I'd probably do it, but taking a multi million dollar hair cut is a tough pill. Especially when Danny is likely to trade him at some point lol.

We hold the same viewpoint. But they are insanely close to the tax line right now and barely going over his QO starts year 1 of the luxury tax, this matters after 3 and the repeater comes into play. Wyc and the gang knows that they’re going to have big bills and are willing to pay them, but why start the season counter for the repeater tax when GSW is at full strength? Those seasons of digging into the luxury tax start a year from now but our dig into the repeater gets delayed a seasonby not kicking out a few extra million this summer. It’s very simple.

All he has to do is take the QO and hang tight for another year and demonstrate value and it’ll work out for him just the same, he’s still very young.

This isn’t to say I fault him for taking money elsewhere, but if he understands the numbers and values winning and the gift he was drafted into then there’s another option.

[grindtime22]

My only gripe with Marcus is he tends to chuck a lot of bricks. Those shots might as well be turnovers and even Smart die-hards have to admit that. Everything else he does helps the team though, so the positives outweigh the negatives. He just has to get better at shooting, or if he can't, then he just has to shoot less.

I hope he stays a Celtic.

His shots are not turnovers. His TS% was 48. That is awful, but .96 points plus offensive rebounds is way better than a turnover.

[sully00]

Thing is, I don't need to parse and spin to make my points. Proven endlessly now, the dude is a just above average 3-point shooter who is well below average within the 3-point line. Not efficient, not consistent, not elite or "knockdown" (from 3 or anywhere else).

Further, in the original context of what a different team will pay him, he is doing it primarily spot-up and off the ball as a 4th or 5th option, usually off the bench. This is a very different thing than creating your own opportunities as a starter in a featured role.

He has no business being compared to Smart in terms of his ability to impact or win games in this league.

The last line is crap there are a bunch of games Boston doesn't win this season without Rozier. Mostly the games from February to April that Smart didn't play because he "punched a picture frame" from either taking a terrible shot against the Lakers that cost the team a win or because some internet weed skank outed him take your pick. Rozier bailed this team out when we literally had no other PG, no Irving, Smart or even Larkin.

I don't hate Terry, but Smart *obviously* had a greater impact on winning games this year. We are an ordinary offensive team that wins with coaching, defense and grit. Stevens, Horford, and Smart define our identity.

Marcus Smart missed 28 games more than a 3rd of the season. I think his ability to impact the game while being a suck offensive player is unique and entertaining it makes him incredibly inconsistent from game to game. Marcus is very much in the mold of guys like Evan Turner and Jae Crowder where Brad found a way to utilize them that makes them appear to be more than they are, and to be fair he may be doing the same thing with Rozier.

Smart's season was complete loss until the postseason where to his credit he saved himself a bit. But Rozier supplanted him in the rotation then he gets hurt, then he comes back and Irving goes down and Smart goes down again.

He had a nice impact in the playoffs as did everyone but his season as a whole sucked.

[Brisbane_Celtic]

At the end of the day if he goes he goes. It will be hard to replace him on the defensive side but his offense can be awful at times. He isn't winning anything in SAC and if he is going to get any better, is his best chance in Sac or playing in Boston under Stevens? Pretty easy choice IMO. Money talks.

[sully00]

Somebody needs to explain to him how the CBA works and the implication if the C’s pay him over the QA and the impact of the upcoming seasons. If you sat him down with the numbers then maybe he wouldn’t feel so insulted if the big picture was known?

I’m torn as I don’t want him to leave, but 18/19 isn’t the season to start the luxury tax counter. There’s a very short window to “go for it” financially and it can’t start until next season.

Boston can go over the tax this year and back under next year and it stops the repeater clock. Honestly the tax really doesn't matter the team is going to pay it. What you can't do is overpay role players. Marcus Smart needs to get paid his job isn't to manage Boston's salary structure. Boston can't get into a 4 year deal with Smart that has them vastly overpaying him for the mins he is playing two years from now that make it a problem to sign Brown and Tatum while keeping and Irving, Haywood, and Horford.

If you value a guy at 11-12 mil then pay him his money. But you can't go to 15-16 mil because you might lose him otherwise, lose him and go pay somebody else to do his job for 5 mil.

[KumaJG]

How is 38% and tied for 61st out of 172 players knockdown?

You either in full agenda mode,trolling or just don't understand stats.

If you are calling him a knockdown 3-point shooter, you don't understand the term.

FWIW, out of 129 qualified players last year, dude was 127th in FG%, 113th in Adj FG%, 117th in points per shot.

FG% dont matter much, when you are a knockdown shooter from 3, which 38%. Only in your weird universe where 38% is not knockdown.