Celtics General Thread 2019-20, "Re-Start"

ajones9219 · Post #1201 » by **ajones9219** » Tue Jul 7, 2020 5:18 am

Captain_Caveman wrote:
ajones9219 wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
I think Sean Doolittle said it very well. We haven't done any of the work that those countries have. We just shut down for a while, and then said, OK that's enough, without doing anything of the things necessary to keep this from spreading.

The NBA is going to FLORIDA during a massive spike of cases there, just to meet their TV contract requirement of 70 games this season. Are any of these leagues you mentioned taking place in locations with active, large-scale outbreaks? Of course not, because that would be totally stupid.

If they were starting up with fans or in home markets including traveling and whatnot id agree but the bubble is probably far safer than the players just being left to themselves. It's not like the league forced the players back, as evidenced by the fact that some players have chosen to opt out. If the players want to compete for a championship they should have that right.

And if people don't want to wear masks, that should be their right too. But there are consequences for actions. It is not at all unreasonable to assume that 200-300k people in Florida will get diagnosed with coronavirus this month alone. Population of Florida is 20m, and we know that positive tests only catching a fraction of people who are actually carrying the virus at any given moment.

Based on estimates of the percentage of positive tests are documenting, as many as 1 in every 10 Floridians will be walking around with coronavirus this month.

Read that again.

Yes.....outside the bubble. Not even a fraction of that inside id wager. I read the entire rule book. The bubble is locked down tight.

Captain_Caveman · Post #1202 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Tue Jul 7, 2020 5:20 am

Kemba For Three wrote:Reading Cave's posts and knowing he is right. But, also at the same time knowing you have to support your team during it's bubble pandemic tournament as they enter the depths of Florida hell.

LOL... I don't want to hear annnnnnnnything if one of our players dies or is permanently debilitated over this money grab. It's not even a real championship anymore.

Captain_Caveman · Post #1203 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Tue Jul 7, 2020 5:27 am

ajones9219 wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
ajones9219 wrote:
If they were starting up with fans or in home markets including traveling and whatnot id agree but the bubble is probably far safer than the players just being left to themselves. It's not like the league forced the players back, as evidenced by the fact that some players have chosen to opt out. If the players want to compete for a championship they should have that right.

And if people don't want to wear masks, that should be their right too. But there are consequences for actions. It is not at all unreasonable to assume that 200-300k people in Florida will get diagnosed with coronavirus this month alone. Population of Florida is 20m, and we know that positive tests only catching a fraction of people who are actually carrying the virus at any given moment.

Based on estimates of the percentage of positive tests are documenting, as many as 1 in every 10 Floridians will be walking around with coronavirus this month.

Read that again.

Yes.....outside the bubble. Not even a fraction of that inside id wager. I read the entire rule book. The bubble is locked down tight.

Is it? Because we have been so good at that, right? Florida is almost rivaling South Korea in their ability to take this seriously while utilizing effective measures that no American can even contemplate.

The bubble = 225 players, 80 coaches, 100-150 support staff depending on how much they are shared among teams, referees, TV people, arena people, security, doctors and medical staff, and who knows how many people working in the hotels and restaurants and whatever else...

None of these dudes going to try to sneak a girl in, or sneak out to see a girl or their families? Again, in a state where up to 10% of the population will be active carriers?

I'll watch too, but this isn't Euro soccer or the UFC.

Post #1204 » by **K For Three** » Tue Jul 7, 2020 5:27 am

Captain_Caveman wrote:
Kemba For Three wrote:Reading Cave's posts and knowing he is right. But, also at the same time knowing you have to support your team during it's bubble pandemic tournament as they enter the depths of Florida hell.

LOL... I don't want to hear annnnnnnnything if one of our players dies or is permanently debilitated over this money grab. It's not even a real championship anymore.

Did the Celtics win? Did they die?

ajones9219 · Post #1205 » by **ajones9219** » Tue Jul 7, 2020 5:34 am

Captain_Caveman wrote:
ajones9219 wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
And if people don't want to wear masks, that should be their right too. But there are consequences for actions. It is not at all unreasonable to assume that 200-300k people in Florida will get diagnosed with coronavirus this month alone. Population of Florida is 20m, and we know that positive tests only catching a fraction of people who are actually carrying the virus at any given moment.

Based on estimates of the percentage of positive tests are documenting, as many as 1 in every 10 Floridians will be walking around with coronavirus this month.

Read that again.

Yes.....outside the bubble. Not even a fraction of that inside id wager. I read the entire rule book. The bubble is locked down tight.

Is it? Because we have been so good at that, right? Florida is almost rivaling South Korea in their ability to take this seriously while utilizing effective measures that no American can even contemplate.

The bubble = 225 players, 80 coaches, 100-150 support staff depending on how much they are shared among teams, referees, TV people, arena people, security, doctors and medical staff, and who knows how many people working in the hotels and restaurants and whatever else...

None of these dudes going to try to sneak a girl in, or sneak out to see a girl or their families? Again, in a state where up to 10% of the population will be active carriers?

I'll watch too, but this isn't Euro soccer or the UFC.

I really think people overestimate the players trying to actively break the rules. The players had a choice to come and they are there to try to win a chip. I dont think they will sabotage that. Having said that, the players cant be within 6 feet of each other outside of practice or game and the bubble is designed to have the players never interact directly with Disney staff. Everyone has to wear a mask 100% of the time outside of game or practice and if everyone is wearing a mask the transmission rate is less than 2%. What exactly are you hoping to wait for? The league absolutely cannot wait for a vaccine so if the league needs to start this is by far the safest way.

Captain_Caveman · Post #1206 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Tue Jul 7, 2020 5:44 am

ajones9219 wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
ajones9219 wrote:
Yes.....outside the bubble. Not even a fraction of that inside id wager. I read the entire rule book. The bubble is locked down tight.

Is it? Because we have been so good at that, right? Florida is almost rivaling South Korea in their ability to take this seriously while utilizing effective measures that no American can even contemplate.

The bubble = 225 players, 80 coaches, 100-150 support staff depending on how much they are shared among teams, referees, TV people, arena people, security, doctors and medical staff, and who knows how many people working in the hotels and restaurants and whatever else...

None of these dudes going to try to sneak a girl in, or sneak out to see a girl or their families? Again, in a state where up to 10% of the population will be active carriers?

I'll watch too, but this isn't Euro soccer or the UFC.

I really think people overestimate the players trying to actively break the rules. The players had a choice to come and they are there to try to win a chip. I dont think they will sabotage that. Having said that, the players cant be within 6 feet of each other outside of practice or game and the bubble is designed to have the players never interact directly with Disney staff. Everyone has to wear a mask 100% of the time outside of game or practice and if everyone is wearing a mask the transmission rate is less than 2%. What exactly are you hoping to wait for? The league absolutely cannot wait for a vaccine so if the league needs to start this is by far the safest way.

The players will practice social distancing outside of practices and games? FYI, that's totally meaningless. Who is cleaning their rooms? Who is prepping their food.

What I hope has nothing to do with this, but was I hope is that we would take this **** seriously for a change. We could have been where the rest of the civilized world was a month or two ago, but guess that's just not how we roll.

ajones9219 · Post #1207 » by **ajones9219** » Tue Jul 7, 2020 5:55 am

Captain_Caveman wrote:
ajones9219 wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
Is it? Because we have been so good at that, right? Florida is almost rivaling South Korea in their ability to take this seriously while utilizing effective measures that no American can even contemplate.

The bubble = 225 players, 80 coaches, 100-150 support staff depending on how much they are shared among teams, referees, TV people, arena people, security, doctors and medical staff, and who knows how many people working in the hotels and restaurants and whatever else...

None of these dudes going to try to sneak a girl in, or sneak out to see a girl or their families? Again, in a state where up to 10% of the population will be active carriers?

I'll watch too, but this isn't Euro soccer or the UFC.

I really think people overestimate the players trying to actively break the rules. The players had a choice to come and they are there to try to win a chip. I dont think they will sabotage that. Having said that, the players cant be within 6 feet of each other outside of practice or game and the bubble is designed to have the players never interact directly with Disney staff. Everyone has to wear a mask 100% of the time outside of game or practice and if everyone is wearing a mask the transmission rate is less than 2%. What exactly are you hoping to wait for? The league absolutely cannot wait for a vaccine so if the league needs to start this is by far the safest way.

The players will practice social distancing outside of practices and games? FYI, that's totally meaningless. Who is cleaning their rooms? Who is prepping their food.

What I hope has nothing to do with this, but was I hope is that we would take this **** seriously for a change. We could have been where the rest of the civilized world was a month or two ago, but guess that's just not how we roll.

The people cleaning their room are assigned rooms based on when the players will be gone for a large portion of the day. The food is delivered via a touchless system where the either pick up a tray in a designated spot for only them, or the food is delivered to their room via a touchless system where the player never sees the employee. There is literally more risk to the players just living their life at home. I wish people took the virus more seriously as well but it is what it is now and the league needs to get back to playing.

Captain_Caveman · Post #1208 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Tue Jul 7, 2020 6:26 am

ajones9219 wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
ajones9219 wrote:
I really think people overestimate the players trying to actively break the rules. The players had a choice to come and they are there to try to win a chip. I dont think they will sabotage that. Having said that, the players cant be within 6 feet of each other outside of practice or game and the bubble is designed to have the players never interact directly with Disney staff. Everyone has to wear a mask 100% of the time outside of game or practice and if everyone is wearing a mask the transmission rate is less than 2%. What exactly are you hoping to wait for? The league absolutely cannot wait for a vaccine so if the league needs to start this is by far the safest way.

The players will practice social distancing outside of practices and games? FYI, that's totally meaningless. Who is cleaning their rooms? Who is prepping their food.

What I hope has nothing to do with this, but was I hope is that we would take this **** seriously for a change. We could have been where the rest of the civilized world was a month or two ago, but guess that's just not how we roll.

The people cleaning their room are assigned rooms based on when the players will be gone for a large portion of the day. The food is delivered via a touchless system where the either pick up a tray in a designated spot for only them, or the food is delivered to their room via a touchless system where the player never sees the employee. There is literally more risk to the players just living their life at home. I wish people took the virus more seriously as well but it is what it is now and the league needs to get back to playing.

Not as hopeful as you on any of that.

More to the point, it is not within a level of acceptable risk, IMO.

Captain_Caveman · Post #1209 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Tue Jul 7, 2020 6:26 am

ajones9219 wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
ajones9219 wrote:
I really think people overestimate the players trying to actively break the rules. The players had a choice to come and they are there to try to win a chip. I dont think they will sabotage that. Having said that, the players cant be within 6 feet of each other outside of practice or game and the bubble is designed to have the players never interact directly with Disney staff. Everyone has to wear a mask 100% of the time outside of game or practice and if everyone is wearing a mask the transmission rate is less than 2%. What exactly are you hoping to wait for? The league absolutely cannot wait for a vaccine so if the league needs to start this is by far the safest way.

The players will practice social distancing outside of practices and games? FYI, that's totally meaningless. Who is cleaning their rooms? Who is prepping their food.

What I hope has nothing to do with this, but was I hope is that we would take this **** seriously for a change. We could have been where the rest of the civilized world was a month or two ago, but guess that's just not how we roll.

The people cleaning their room are assigned rooms based on when the players will be gone for a large portion of the day. The food is delivered via a touchless system where the either pick up a tray in a designated spot for only them, or the food is delivered to their room via a touchless system where the player never sees the employee. There is literally more risk to the players just living their life at home. I wish people took the virus more seriously as well but it is what it is now and the league needs to get back to playing.

Not as hopeful as you on any of that.

More to the point, it is not within a level of acceptable risk, IMO.

ajones9219 · Post #1210 » by **ajones9219** » Tue Jul 7, 2020 6:47 am

Captain_Caveman wrote:
ajones9219 wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
The players will practice social distancing outside of practices and games? FYI, that's totally meaningless. Who is cleaning their rooms? Who is prepping their food.

What I hope has nothing to do with this, but was I hope is that we would take this **** seriously for a change. We could have been where the rest of the civilized world was a month or two ago, but guess that's just not how we roll.

The people cleaning their room are assigned rooms based on when the players will be gone for a large portion of the day. The food is delivered via a touchless system where the either pick up a tray in a designated spot for only them, or the food is delivered to their room via a touchless system where the player never sees the employee. There is literally more risk to the players just living their life at home. I wish people took the virus more seriously as well but it is what it is now and the league needs to get back to playing.

Not as hopeful as you on any of that.

More to the point, it is not within a level of acceptable risk, IMO.

The thing is there isnt a real alternative. You can either do the bubble or nuke the next 12 months of basketball and destroy the salary cap.

Captain_Caveman · Post #1211 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Tue Jul 7, 2020 7:07 am

ajones9219 wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
ajones9219 wrote:
The people cleaning their room are assigned rooms based on when the players will be gone for a large portion of the day. The food is delivered via a touchless system where the either pick up a tray in a designated spot for only them, or the food is delivered to their room via a touchless system where the player never sees the employee. There is literally more risk to the players just living their life at home. I wish people took the virus more seriously as well but it is what it is now and the league needs to get back to playing.

Not as hopeful as you on any of that.

More to the point, it is not within a level of acceptable risk, IMO.

The thing is there isnt a real alternative. You can either do the bubble or nuke the next 12 months of basketball and destroy the salary cap.

There are dozens of alternatives that don't involve nuking the next 12 months. Everything from killing this season to setting up a bubble in a place that isn't a major hotspot for a deadly pandemic.

ajones9219 · Post #1212 » by **ajones9219** » Tue Jul 7, 2020 7:10 am

Captain_Caveman wrote:
ajones9219 wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
Not as hopeful as you on any of that.

More to the point, it is not within a level of acceptable risk, IMO.

The thing is there isnt a real alternative. You can either do the bubble or nuke the next 12 months of basketball and destroy the salary cap.

There are dozens of alternatives that don't involve nuking the next 12 months. Everything from killing this season to setting up a bubble in a place that isn't a major hotspot for a deadly pandemic.

a bubble where? Disney is one of the only places on earth that offers anything near the 40 square miles of private land that features food options, enough hotel rooms, entertainment, and broadcast ready arenas all under the control of one company that can ensure the players are sectioned away from contamination and have the players never enter a public area.