Trade Ideas Thread

[Celts17Pride]

Celtics don’t need to subtract players they need to find a way to supplement their core with a quality bench that includes a big point guard, shooting and a bouncy big man who defends pick and roll and rebounds.

Walker, Smart, Brown, Tatum and Hayward should all be back next year. No reason to move any of the team’s 5 best players

Can add Theis, Timelord and Grant to the list as well.

That is your top 8 right there.

Need 2 or 3 more reliable players on the wing/pg spot.
Would really like a 1 year center upgrade as well, as I am not convinced Timelord is ready for 25-30 minutes a night.

Theis, Kanter, Grant, Langford, RW3 and all draft picks are available and could be gone as part of a deal if Ainge can find the right piece to trade. All those guys are easily replaceable. Can Ainge find the right deal? Good Luck!

[djFan71]

Any interest in Larry Nance Jr? He's in a salary range we could aggregate to. Not sure he's worth it, though, since I somehow haven't found time to watch Cavs games lately.

[playa-hater]

Any interest in Larry Nance Jr? He's in a salary range we could aggregate to. Not sure he's worth it, though, since I somehow haven't found time to watch Cavs games lately.

I have always liked Nance Jr.. has enough size shotblocking to play center or PF, with a pretty good 3. But doesn't he make around 10 millions?

[Celts17Pride]

Any interest in Larry Nance Jr? He's in a salary range we could aggregate to. Not sure he's worth it, though, since I somehow haven't found time to watch Cavs games lately.

I was thinking T Ross and Bamba. I’m willing to roll the dice with RW3 and Bamba.

Something like Theis, Langford, Grant, Poirier and 26.

Anyways just brainstorming. It’s up to Ainge to find the right deal not me.

[djFan71]

Any interest in Larry Nance Jr? He's in a salary range we could aggregate to. Not sure he's worth it, though, since I somehow haven't found time to watch Cavs games lately.

I have always liked Nance Jr.. has enough size shotblocking to pay cenetr or PF, with a pretty good 3. But doesn't he make around 10 millions?

$11.7M next year, declining. Grant/Kanter/Poirier gets you there salary. Send Kanter to POR tpe. Grant, 26 to CLE? I don't know value wise if he's worth Grant/26 or more/less???? CLE saves money here, so I doubt you have to pay a premium to dump Poirier like you normally would.

[djFan71]

Any interest in Larry Nance Jr? He's in a salary range we could aggregate to. Not sure he's worth it, though, since I somehow haven't found time to watch Cavs games lately.

I was thinking T Ross and Bamba. I’m willing to roll the dice with RW3 and Bamba.

Something like Theis, Langford, Grant, Poirier and 26.

Anyways just brainstorming. It’s up to Ainge to find the right deal not me.

Nah man, we gotta do it!
That's definitely a roll of the dice with ORL trade - but a creative one, haven't seen that yet. You'd have to go an MLE big and hope Romeo doesn't get healthy and explode. Has Bamba shown much?

[Celts17Pride]

Any interest in Larry Nance Jr? He's in a salary range we could aggregate to. Not sure he's worth it, though, since I somehow haven't found time to watch Cavs games lately.

I was thinking T Ross and Bamba. I’m willing to roll the dice with RW3 and Bamba.

Something like Theis, Langford, Grant, Poirier and 26.

Anyways just brainstorming. It’s up to Ainge to find the right deal not me.

Nah man, we gotta do it!
That's definitely a roll of the dice with ORL trade - but a creative one, haven't seen that yet. You'd have to go an MLE big and hope Romeo doesn't get healthy and explode. Has Bamba shown much?

Bamba is just a young bouncy big who can be a shot blocker and pick and roll defender.

The bottomline is Ainge has to find a team willing to give up a quality vet in the 26-30 year range for youth and potential because that’s all the Celtics have right now (Waters, Edwards, Langford, G Williams, RW3 etc. and multiple draft picks).

I’m hoping because of the COVID-19 stuff and reduced salary cap and luxury tax that Ainge can find that deal. Teams could be looking to shed salary.

All that’s left is the owner’s willingness to pay

[hugepatsfan]

Keep this in mind for trades on perimeter guys... There are a combined 192 minutes available per game at the PG/SG/SF/PF spots. If Brown/Tatum play 38 minutes and Kemba/Hayward/Smart play 35 each, that uses up 181 of those minutes. That leaves 11 minutes for someone else. Those aren't at all heavy minutes for those guys to play in a playoff rotation.

A guy like Terrence Ross whose name was just mentioned... is he good enough that come playoff time you'd want to reduce any of those guys below those relatively modest levels of playing time? I say no. So what sense is there in placing much value on acquiring him? Not a good use of the somewhat limited trade chips we have IMO. Because if he's not knocking those guys minutes down he's got 11 minutes per game.

Now, I don't rule out an addition. What I'd really like to see is a straight KNOCK DOWN SHOOTER to log that last rotation spot on the perimeter. That would help space the floor. But I'm thinking more a specialist than someone you give up assets to go get.

Unless one of our top perimeter guys is going out, I think you have to focus on big men in any deal where we trade pieces. And we do have some chips:

Kanter (expiring salary)
Poirier (expiring salary)
Theis (expiring salary + very solid player)
Grant Williams
Robert Williams
Romeo Langford
Carsen Edwards (low cost flier for another team)
Semi Ojeleye (small salary matching piece who can log minutes)
Jevonte Green (would just be salary matching)
#14
#26
#30
future 1st rounders

I don't see much out there that would be worth breaking up the perimeter guys. But I'd make any and all of that available to try and find the right guy at center. Obviously Theis is the guy you most want to hold onto but maybe you could package him with a bunch of those rookies/picks for a better starting center? Or maybe you make smaller deals for another Theis caliber player to add to the rotation.

There's also development to consider. Maybe R and G Williams really develop. Maybe Langford taps into his potential to be another high level wing. Maybe #14 can be a home run pick (Adebayo, Herro, Don Mitchell, Kawhi, Giannis, etc have all been taken in that range for example). So not saying give pieces away. But you have to consider them in trades IMO.

[Celts17Pride]

Ainge has to roll the dice a little in my opinion. The Celtics are right on the brink of being NBA champions. One player could put them over the top. The right addition.

It’s up to Ainge to find that player

[djFan71]

Kanter/Grant/Romeo/30 for Covington?

[darylbe]

The players on this team have more playoff experience than anyone besides LeBron James and jimmy butler.... And look like they've never played in a big game in their life.

So I really don't see how trying the same bs with the same 8 players is Gunna be any different.

And the Wanamaker replacement isn't making a difference, as he's playing perfectly well. Romeo Langford or Danny's 2020 vs equivalent? Yea ok.

[snowman]

The players on this team have more playoff experience than anyone besides LeBron James and jimmy butler.... And look like they've never played in a big game in their life.

So I really don't see how trying the same bs with the same 8 players is Gunna be any different.

And the Wanamaker replacement isn't making a difference, as he's playing perfectly well. Romeo Langford or Danny's 2020 vs equivalent? Yea ok.

Problem is those same 8 players only played a handfull of games together during the season. Like to see what they can do next season.

[King Ken]

Make smart decisions and improve depth

[100proof]

I say "byebye hayward" and "yes i will listen to your kemba offers"

[CelticFaninLBC]

Hayward isn't opting out of $34 million, they aren't trading Kemba and Rob Williams and the rookies aren't getting them much.

Gotta consider trading either Smart or Brown...

[playa-hater]

Any interest in Larry Nance Jr? He's in a salary range we could aggregate to. Not sure he's worth it, though, since I somehow haven't found time to watch Cavs games lately.

I have always liked Nance Jr.. has enough size shotblocking to pay cenetr or PF, with a pretty good 3. But doesn't he make around 10 millions?

$11.7M next year, declining. Grant/Kanter/Poirier gets you there salary. Send Kanter to POR tpe. Grant, 26 to CLE? I don't know value wise if he's worth Grant/26 or more/less???? CLE saves money here, so I doubt you have to pay a premium to dump Poirier like you normally would.

I like Nance > Grant, but I see no way Ainge Stevens does...especially with 26.. IMO.

[playa-hater]

Ainge has to roll the dice a little in my opinion. The Celtics are right on the brink of being NBA champions. One player could put them over the top. The right addition.

It’s up to Ainge to find that player

totally agree

[playa-hater]

Kanter/Grant/Romeo/30 for Covington?

I say YES, if salary matches..

[celticfan42487]

Hayward isn't opting out of $34 million, they aren't trading Kemba and Rob Williams and the rookies aren't getting them much.

Gotta consider trading either Smart or Brown...

I mean we know none of these things except for yes Hayward is opting in.

But that's a 34 million dollar expiring contract on a good depth piece for a team that is either in red alert or has a smaller championships window.

And the 76ers may be on Red alert

Red alert blow it up teams:
OKC
(potentially 76ers)
Clippers

3 year championship window teams
Warriors
Lakers

Any of those teams may be interested in Hayward.

Hell it's not GREAT but would we be devastated if we traded Hayward and a late first for Steven Adams on draft night?

Steven Adams isn't great but he's 27 and will be around for the next 5 years and is just a bigger Theis.

76ers could use Hayward and I would love to flip him for Tobias Harris. Again young guy not that far off but will be here for the long haul.

If the Warriors strike out in talks, they may think to themselves they'd have an easier time trading Hayward and the #2 pick instead of Wiggings (still can't confirm this 100% but from what I found last Hayward can opt in right before draft day) and we could get Wiggins in a 3 way trade. Again... mid twenties, here for the long haul.

Who **** knows what the Clips could offer and I can't imagine the Lakers have anything we want. But Hayward is tradeable.

[snowman]

We need at least 3 open roster spots for next season for our 3 1st round picks. This will be the easiest and least costliest way to upgrade our bench.
Very simple as I see it:
1) release Green. Great hardworking story, but no place on a team with championship asperations.
2) don't resign Wannamaker. Had his moments, but we need to move on
3) don't pick up Semi's option. After 3 years he is what he is, no place on a team period. Hard to believe he was drafted the same year as Tatum.

None of these moves cost us a draft pick or future dead money to make.
I think the only trades we need to make are Poirier and Edwards to make room for Waters and Fall.

If we can upgrade Wannamaker into Kira Lewis Jr, Green into Saddiq Bey, Semi into Isiah Stewart, Poirier into Fall, and Edwards into Waters I think we have GREATLY upgraded our bench. It shouldn't be too hard to find a trade for Poirier and Edwards.