Robert Williams, aka "Timelord"

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Why does nobody talk about trading him?


Absolutely the most unreliable player on the roster, never healthy and clearly doesn’t fit too well with Mazzulas offensive scheme of bombing 3’s.

Not sure what his market is but if he could bring in a guy that could play 20 reliable minutes a game and a first rounder that might be worth taking and I love Rob.

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First good news about his health in over a year. Now get a jumpshot!

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If Rob and KP both play 70+ games and playoffs they will be the best defensive frontcourt in the league.

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If Rob and KP both play 70+ games and playoffs they will be the best defensive frontcourt in the league.

Add Al to that mix and my goodness they could really be something.

But to Rob’s offense: my previous plan for improving the Celtics was for him to get at least a bit of an offensive game — and for the Jays to continue to get better. But add Porzingis for almost nothing (I said it, and it’s because the Celtics were better with DW and MB at PG last year) and what if he can help teach/inspire some offensive growth from Rob? It seems that wasn’t happening from Al, unless he said “stand in the corner bro”, but Kristaps might be a different story — especially if Rob feels pressure to contribute offensively to get himself onto the court?

well I’ve gone far enough into fantasy land. But to see Rob working on his offense in the summer is the second best thing I’ve seen this summer, after the Porzingis trade.

[darrendaye]

If Rob and KP both play 70+ games and playoffs they will be the best defensive frontcourt in the league.

Add Al to that mix and my goodness they could really be something.

But to Rob’s offense: my previous plan for improving the Celtics was for him to get at least a bit of an offensive game — and for the Jays to continue to get better. But add Porzingis for almost nothing (I said it, and it’s because the Celtics were better with DW and MB at PG last year) and what if he can help teach/inspire some offensive growth from Rob? It seems that wasn’t happening from Al, unless he said “stand in the corner bro”, but Kristaps might be a different story — especially if Rob feels pressure to contribute offensively to get himself onto the court?

well I’ve gone far enough into fantasy land. But to see Rob working on his offense in the summer is the second best thing I’ve seen this summer, after the Porzingis trade.

I still say they start Rob and they won't have him stay in the dunker spot or only come up to set picks, though I expect a healthy number of on-ball and, <cough>Jaylen<cough>, off-ball picks. I still see him used as a guy who helps whip the ball side to side near the top of the key.

Now, was it a fluke that the coaching staff encouraged Rob to be more assertive in trying to score late in the year and some in the playoffs? Could it have been a collective realization that the offense was in great need of that threat to make the offense work better for the Jays and just a harbinger for Brad to fixate efforts to get a low post threat first thing in the off-season? At minimum, I have to believe they will go back to encouraging him to put up a shot or two in the mid-range simply to bring the attention and open passing lanes. Last year's missed offseason, training camp, and 1st half of the season, one could reasonably conclude affected chemistry and his rhythm. I'm not predicting a major jump at this point but I would expect a bump. Interested to see how often they post KP when Rob is out there and what kind of actions Rob works off of it.

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I could see KP mid-range dumping it in to Rob for the ally oop/dunk

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I’m open to learning more but my understanding is not to expect Kristaps to post up too much in the traditional sense — but he loves operating from the elbows.

I am somewhat concerned that Joe will just have him stand outside the arc all of the time.

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I’m open to learning more but my understanding is not to expect Kristaps to post up too much in the traditional sense — but he loves operating from the elbows.

I am somewhat concerned that Joe will just have him stand outside the arc all of the time.

Perhaps our more stat savvy posters have access to the specific stat and will discredit this contention, but, you can see an increase in his shot attempts in the 3-10 foot range during his time in Washington and highest shooting percentage from that distance last season.

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              % of  FG%
Season     Tm 3-10 3-10
2015-16   NYK .184 .356
2016-17   NYK .162 .338
2017-18   NYK .156 .381
2019-20   DAL .124 .302
2020-21   DAL .154 .457
2021-22   TOT .183 .414
2021-22   DAL .161 .427
2021-22   WAS .224 .397
2022-23   WAS .228 .534
Career        .171 .408


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But this is a Rob thread, so I won't belabor the point too much.

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Again, who is Rob? Why is there a thread on this person. Does he play for the Celtics or something?

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I hate to be a downer. And I know this vid is just a light workout. He's just taking it easy, getting some shots up, not going too hard.

BUT he seems to be moving around kind of gingerly. I'd feel more confident if I saw him moving with more force, with more explosiveness. That half speed. gingerly movement stuff, we saw from him quite. bit after he returned to the lineup last season.

I'm feeling a little uneasy about Rob. The injury history, plus Lonzo Ball being ruled out for the entire 2023-2024 season with a similar injury to the one that kept Rob out for half the season last year. Lonzo might never play again - and he didn't rely on his athleticism to provide value as much as Rob does.

I'm thinking we should be overly cautious with rob - take it easy - don't overdo it with him. I think we should bring him off the bench this season and start Al. Afterall, in the playoffs Al averaged 31 MPG and Rob only averaged 21 MPG.

I'm not as worried about overdoing it with Al's mins - he never gets hurt. He's just old, so you just sit him on back to backs..

Perhaps this season, it's Porzingis at about 32 MPG, Al at about 28-29 MPG and Rob about about 22-24 MPG..

Then, perhaps next summer you figure out how Rob is looking health-wise, if he can move back into the starting lineup for the 2024-2025 season. Because by that season, Al will be 38, so you'll probably want him coming off the bench at that point. If you're not feeling comfortable with either of them starting at that point, you either play Tatum at the 4 or you make a move for another 4/5 type of guy..

Again, I know this vid is just a light workout, he's shooting around, taking it easy. But he looks like he's moving around like a 40 year old man - not a 25 year old..

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Taylor Snow is taking credit for that? Brad said that about this imaginary player during the last SL game. I'm glad he was hyping him up. Get his value up Brad, then trade him for an actually big that plays.

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Again, who is Rob? Why is there a thread on this person. Does he play for the Celtics or something?

Frequently.

Not as much as we would wish, however.

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Taylor Snow is taking credit for that? Brad said that about this imaginary player during the last SL game. I'm glad he was hyping him up. Get his value up Brad, then Brad him for an actually big that plays.

No, please don’t Brad him!!

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I’m open to learning more but my understanding is not to expect Kristaps to post up too much in the traditional sense — but he loves operating from the elbows.

I am somewhat concerned that Joe will just have him stand outside the arc all of the time.

Perhaps our more stat savvy posters have access to the specific stat and will discredit this contention, but, you can see an increase in his shot attempts in the 3-10 foot range during his time in Washington and highest shooting percentage from that distance last season.

Code: Select all

                       
              % of  FG%
Season     Tm 3-10 3-10
2015-16   NYK .184 .356
2016-17   NYK .162 .338
2017-18   NYK .156 .381
2019-20   DAL .124 .302
2020-21   DAL .154 .457
2021-22   TOT .183 .414
2021-22   DAL .161 .427
2021-22   WAS .224 .397
2022-23   WAS .228 .534
Career        .171 .408


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But this is a Rob thread, so I won't belabor the point too much.

Thanks, and yeah, wrong thread but how does someone 7’3” shoot 30% from 10 ft and in?

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Thanks, and yeah, wrong thread but how does someone 7’3” shoot 30% from 10 ft and in?

I think it's a combination of
-selection bias since often times you shoot from 3-10 because you got stuffed trying to get to 0-3
-3-10 area you are defended by rim protectors but you are not shooting layups
A lot of players appear to do worse from 3-10 than the zone immediately outside. I'm guessing you need a reliable way to score from the post to be good in the 3-10 range. Jaylen Brown for example has always been better from 10-16 than 3-10. Tatum was better from 10-16 for the first 3 years of his career. AD the same thing for the first 5 seasons.

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so 45 games played this year?

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so 45 games played this year?

I think 60 is realistic. He played 61 games just 2 seasons ago. To be fair, that was *before* he had the torn meniscus surgery and then the follow up clean up procedure a few months later. So less than 61 is certainly possible. BUT that season he also 30 MPG. I think if we load manage him more this season, bring him off the bench and keep him to 22-25 MPG, he could certainly be in that 60 game range this season.