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Bad-Thoma wrote:Curmudgeon wrote:If Beal is desperate for winning he won't come Boston. Tatum, Brown Beal and the 7 dwarves won't be good enough.
I have no problem, though, with Stevens stocking up for a run at Beal this Summer. It may keep him from doing something stupid.
The Comedian wrote:Hal14 wrote:Bohemian wrote:
Come on, Brad. Get Beal in green already.
Beal
Brown
Tatum
We're a game behind the wizards in the standings - I doubt they give him to us right now.
I feel like if it happens, it'll either be in the offseason - or possibly if all of a sudden we win some games, washington loses some games and we're at least 2 games ahead of them in the standings prior to the deadline..
otherwise, i don't know if it makes sense for Beal to jump ship and ask to be traded to a team that's worse than the team he's on now. if he asks to be traded, it's gotta be to a team that's clearly better than the one he's on now..
It’s the Tatum factor, they are very open about wanting to play with each other. Plus, Beal knows if you add him to this team, they’d be way better than the wizards.
Andrew McCeltic wrote:
Love how Curm's decided Stevens is an idiot until proven otherwise
Curmudgeon wrote:Andrew McCeltic wrote:
Love how Curm's decided Stevens is an idiot until proven otherwise
Oh no, he's not an idiot. A coward, perhaps, but not an idiot. But he has owners to satisfy. And as everyone here knows, I believe that building around Tatum and Brown, which is the route they have almost certainly chosen, is a losing proposition. Everyone is feeling good after the drubbing of Indiana. Let's see how things go vs the Sixers and the Bulls.
Curmudgeon wrote:Once again I want to blow it up completely and start over. The players who will lead the Celtics to banner 18 haven't been drafted yet. I think the Celtics are stuck in the middle and I see no point in waiting 2-3 more years before blowing it up. Look at Portland. Dame is 31, McCollum is 30, both have been injured (Lillard may not play again this year) and the owners are paying $143 million for a lottery team with no hope.
Yes, the Blazers are an extreme example but look at the Hornets, Knicks, Sixers, Wizards... all teams in the middle with little or no hope. If Presti drafts well. OKC has a better shot at a title than any of those teams.
Look at the Raptors. They lost their best two players for nothing (Kawhi and Lowry) but with one great draft pick (Scottie Barnes) they are two games ahead of Boston in the standings.
Curmudgeon wrote:Once again I want to blow it up completely and start over. The players who will lead the Celtics to banner 18 haven't been drafted yet. I think the Celtics are stuck in the middle and I see no point in waiting 2-3 more years before blowing it up. Look at Portland. Dame is 31, McCollum is 30, both have been injured (Lillard may not play again this year) and the owners are paying $143 million for a lottery team with no hope.
Yes, the Blazers are an extreme example but look at the Hornets, Knicks, Sixers, Wizards... all teams in the middle with little or no hope. If Presti drafts well. OKC has a better shot at a title than any of those teams.
Look at the Raptors. They lost their best two players for nothing (Kawhi and Lowry) but with one great draft pick (Scottie Barnes) they are two games ahead of Boston in the standings.
Andrew McCeltic wrote:Bagley last night- still sucks, made some bonehead plays, couple of idiotic turnovers, and my favorite is at 3:02 where he steals the ball by accident.. but he rebounds relatively well, he's good for putbacks and has a reliable jump hook thing in the paint. Looks here like he's at least playing with a pro level of focus, mistakes aside - isn't milling around without a clue..
Obviously you can't add to the tax bill for him, but.. something with Al to Sacramento (they buy him out to join a contender), Bagley here, Hield to a third team.. maybe to Cleveland for Rubio's expiring?
CelticFaninLBC wrote:Andrew McCeltic wrote:CelticFaninLBC wrote:
Romeo >> PP
Keep in mind that Boston gets Wright, who is a decent backup pg.
Wright is ok, but expiring. We’d go into the off-season with no point guards under contract and an MLE. Using it keeps us in the tax.
If we give up a 1st and Atlanta gives up a 1st, that’s plenty for Detroit.
They can have Nesmith or a 1st, more than that is wasting leverage. We’re not paying for Collins straight up, we’re paying part of the price for Grant.
I don't have much confidence in PP being more than 15 minute per night guy with a sub .500 team...
Curmudgeon wrote:Once again I want to blow it up completely and start over. The players who will lead the Celtics to banner 18 haven't been drafted yet. I think the Celtics are stuck in the middle and I see no point in waiting 2-3 more years before blowing it up. Look at Portland. Dame is 31, McCollum is 30, both have been injured (Lillard may not play again this year) and the owners are paying $143 million for a lottery team with no hope.
Yes, the Blazers are an extreme example but look at the Hornets, Knicks, Sixers, Wizards... all teams in the middle with little or no hope. If Presti drafts well. OKC has a better shot at a title than any of those teams.
Look at the Raptors. They lost their best two players for nothing (Kawhi and Lowry) but with one great draft pick (Scottie Barnes) they are two games ahead of Boston in the standings.
fallguy wrote:Curmudgeon wrote:Once again I want to blow it up completely and start over. The players who will lead the Celtics to banner 18 haven't been drafted yet. I think the Celtics are stuck in the middle and I see no point in waiting 2-3 more years before blowing it up. Look at Portland. Dame is 31, McCollum is 30, both have been injured (Lillard may not play again this year) and the owners are paying $143 million for a lottery team with no hope.
Yes, the Blazers are an extreme example but look at the Hornets, Knicks, Sixers, Wizards... all teams in the middle with little or no hope. If Presti drafts well. OKC has a better shot at a title than any of those teams.
Look at the Raptors. They lost their best two players for nothing (Kawhi and Lowry) but with one great draft pick (Scottie Barnes) they are two games ahead of Boston in the standings.
They're riding with Tatum and Brown. You honestly might want to find something else to do if you hate the players this much. Seems like this is not fun for you?
RickyDizzle wrote:CelticFaninLBC wrote:Andrew McCeltic wrote:
Wright is ok, but expiring. We’d go into the off-season with no point guards under contract and an MLE. Using it keeps us in the tax.
If we give up a 1st and Atlanta gives up a 1st, that’s plenty for Detroit.
They can have Nesmith or a 1st, more than that is wasting leverage. We’re not paying for Collins straight up, we’re paying part of the price for Grant.
I don't have much confidence in PP being more than 15 minute per night guy with a sub .500 team...
Wasnt he more than that in his first year in the league? 20 minutes a game on a playoff team shooting 3's at a 40%+ clip. So you think his best basketball is behind him?
CelticFaninLBC wrote:RickyDizzle wrote:CelticFaninLBC wrote:
I don't have much confidence in PP being more than 15 minute per night guy with a sub .500 team...
Wasnt he more than that in his first year in the league? 20 minutes a game on a playoff team shooting 3's at a 40%+ clip. So you think his best basketball is behind him?
He played by default. If Stevens had lots of confidence in PP, he wouldn't have sign Schroder.
fallguy wrote:They're riding with Tatum and Brown. You honestly might want to find something else to do if you hate the players this much. Seems like this is not fun for you?
Fencer reregistered wrote:Andrew McCeltic wrote:Bagley last night- still sucks, made some bonehead plays, couple of idiotic turnovers, and my favorite is at 3:02 where he steals the ball by accident.. but he rebounds relatively well, he's good for putbacks and has a reliable jump hook thing in the paint. Looks here like he's at least playing with a pro level of focus, mistakes aside - isn't milling around without a clue..
Obviously you can't add to the tax bill for him, but.. something with Al to Sacramento (they buy him out to join a contender), Bagley here, Hield to a third team.. maybe to Cleveland for Rubio's expiring?
I stopped watching after the first few missed shots under the rim.
In the time I did watch I didn't see a single decent screen, nor anything else that showed solid court awareness.
Curmudgeon wrote:fallguy wrote:They're riding with Tatum and Brown. You honestly might want to find something else to do if you hate the players this much. Seems like this is not fun for you?
Yes they are, just like the Blazers rode with Lillard and McCollum. I don't hate Tatum and Brown. They are very good players. If you were here in 2017, you may remember that I was Tatum's strongest supporter in that draft, when have of this board wanted to select Markelle Fultz.
But am I happy with 40 wins year after year? Not particularly.
Andrew McCeltic wrote:Curmudgeon wrote:fallguy wrote:They're riding with Tatum and Brown. You honestly might want to find something else to do if you hate the players this much. Seems like this is not fun for you?
Yes they are, just like the Blazers rode with Lillard and McCollum. I don't hate Tatum and Brown. They are very good players. If you were here in 2017, you may remember that I was Tatum's strongest supporter in that draft, when have of this board wanted to select Markelle Fultz.
But am I happy with 40 wins year after year? Not particularly.
No, that was me, check the tape - called bs on Fultz and hyped Tatum immediately
