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Re: Celtics 2023-24, Season Thread, (con't) 

Post#1201 » by Celts17Pride » Thu Mar 7, 2024 7:59 pm


In my opinion Celtics are bad in this situation because they take bad shots and in my opinion that's not on the players but it's on the coaching.

I believe if the Celtics had a Brad Stevens, Doc Rivers, Jeff Van Gundy etc. the Celtics players would be getting a lot better quality of a shot in these situations.

My opinion.
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Post#1203 » by colincb » Thu Mar 7, 2024 9:38 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:

In my opinion Celtics are bad in this situation because they take bad shots and in my opinion that's not on the players but it's on the coaching.

I believe if the Celtics had a Brad Stevens, Doc Rivers, Jeff Van Gundy etc. the Celtics players would be getting a lot better quality of a shot in these situations.

My opinion.


The Cs' closer is Tatum, and everyone in the NBA knows it, even though Tatum's closing stats suck. Per ESPN:

"Tatum's clutch-time stats aren't pretty. This season, he has shot 15-for-46 (32.6%) in clutch time this season, including 0-for-2 on Tuesday. Among the 27 players who have taken at least 45 clutch-time shots this season, Tatum ranks last in field goal percentage.
And Tatum's clutch-time woes are not isolated to this season. His clutch field goal percentage over the past three seasons ranks in the bottom 10 among more than 70 players with at least 100 attempts."

A good HC gets a (non-tanking) team to overperform. Last year's team underperformed in all three series. OTOH, Ime's 2022 team over-performed. Maybe Joe's good in practice and teaching, but I cannot comment on that. However, I don't see much from Mazzulla during games, and there are a lot of current NBA HCs I'd rather have. My opinion too.
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Post#1204 » by BK_2020 » Thu Mar 7, 2024 10:47 pm

colincb wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:

In my opinion Celtics are bad in this situation because they take bad shots and in my opinion that's not on the players but it's on the coaching.

I believe if the Celtics had a Brad Stevens, Doc Rivers, Jeff Van Gundy etc. the Celtics players would be getting a lot better quality of a shot in these situations.

My opinion.


The Cs' closer is Tatum, and everyone in the NBA knows it, even though Tatum's closing stats suck. Per ESPN:

"Tatum's clutch-time stats aren't pretty. This season, he has shot 15-for-46 (32.6%) in clutch time this season, including 0-for-2 on Tuesday. Among the 27 players who have taken at least 45 clutch-time shots this season, Tatum ranks last in field goal percentage.
And Tatum's clutch-time woes are not isolated to this season. His clutch field goal percentage over the past three seasons ranks in the bottom 10 among more than 70 players with at least 100 attempts."

A good HC gets a (non-tanking) team to overperform. Last year's team underperformed in all three series. OTOH, Ime's 2022 team over-performed. Maybe Joe's good in practice and teaching, but I cannot comment on that. However, I don't see much from Mazzulla during games, and there are a lot of current NBA HCs I'd rather have. My opinion too.

Ime's 2021-22 team was tied for 1st in net rating with +7.5 and had a pythagorean win rate of 59 wins but only 51 actual wins. Despite being a rested team due to playing only 5 playoff games the season before, it was one of the most underperforming teams of all time. They had to sweat Jimmy Butler missing a wide open three to advance to the finals.
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Post#1205 » by Fencer reregistered » Thu Mar 7, 2024 11:38 pm

BK_2020 wrote:
colincb wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:In my opinion Celtics are bad in this situation because they take bad shots and in my opinion that's not on the players but it's on the coaching.

I believe if the Celtics had a Brad Stevens, Doc Rivers, Jeff Van Gundy etc. the Celtics players would be getting a lot better quality of a shot in these situations.

My opinion.


The Cs' closer is Tatum, and everyone in the NBA knows it, even though Tatum's closing stats suck. Per ESPN:

"Tatum's clutch-time stats aren't pretty. This season, he has shot 15-for-46 (32.6%) in clutch time this season, including 0-for-2 on Tuesday. Among the 27 players who have taken at least 45 clutch-time shots this season, Tatum ranks last in field goal percentage.
And Tatum's clutch-time woes are not isolated to this season. His clutch field goal percentage over the past three seasons ranks in the bottom 10 among more than 70 players with at least 100 attempts."

A good HC gets a (non-tanking) team to overperform. Last year's team underperformed in all three series. OTOH, Ime's 2022 team over-performed. Maybe Joe's good in practice and teaching, but I cannot comment on that. However, I don't see much from Mazzulla during games, and there are a lot of current NBA HCs I'd rather have. My opinion too.

Ime's 2021-22 team was tied for 1st in net rating with +7.5 and had a pythagorean win rate of 59 wins but only 51 actual wins. Despite being a rested team due to playing only 5 playoff games the season before, it was one of the most underperforming teams of all time. They had to sweat Jimmy Butler missing a wide open three to advance to the finals.


Points worth raising, but there were weirdnesses. The regular season was like a tale of two seasons, and I'm not sure what the significance of postseason rest is the year before to the postseason a year later, nor why one would exclude the Olympics from such a calculation anyway.
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Post#1206 » by 165bows » Thu Mar 7, 2024 11:53 pm

Sam Hauser is 14th all time in career 3PT% for qualifying players.

Pritchard somehow is 69th.
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Post#1207 » by colincb » Fri Mar 8, 2024 12:08 am

In the last 5 seconds of the 4th Quarter or OT, to tie or take the lead, the Celtics are shooting 0-9, including JT at 0-5.

I'm too busy right now to search for the number of times our HC didn't call a TO to set up a play, but maybe someone else can track it down.
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Post#1208 » by Mr_Mojo_Risin » Fri Mar 8, 2024 12:15 am

colincb wrote:In the last 5 seconds of the 4th Quarter or OT, to tie or take the lead, the Celtics are shooting 0-9, including JT at 0-5.

I'm too busy right now to search for the number of times our HC didn't call a TO to set up a play, but maybe someone else can track it down.

Whoever can be bothered researching this, can you also please note the time left and whether the opposition had defensive liabilities on the court they could have switched out if we called a timeout?
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Post#1209 » by zoyathedestroya » Fri Mar 8, 2024 3:50 pm

W-L between top 8 teams:

• BOS: 6-7
• MIN: 9-7
• OKC: 11-5
• DEN: 8-8
• LAC: 5-11
• MIL: 7-5
• CLE: 5-7
• NOP: 7-8

What stands out?
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Post#1210 » by CelticsPride18 » Fri Mar 8, 2024 4:17 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:W-L between top 8 teams:

• BOS: 6-7
• MIN: 9-7
• OKC: 11-5
• DEN: 8-8
• LAC: 5-11
• MIL: 7-5
• CLE: 5-7
• NOP: 7-8

What stands out?


OKC champions
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Post#1211 » by zoyathedestroya » Sat Mar 9, 2024 4:21 am

zoyathedestroya wrote:W-L between top 8 teams:

• BOS: 6-7
• MIN: 9-7
• OKC: 11-5
• DEN: 8-8
• LAC: 5-11
• MIL: 7-5
• CLE: 5-7
• NOP: 7-8

What stands out?

UPDATE:

• BOS: 6-7
• MIN: 9-8
• OKC: 11-5
• DEN: 8-8
• LAC: 5-11
• MIL: 7-5
• CLE: 6-7
• NOP: 7-8
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Post#1212 » by Mr_Mojo_Risin » Sat Mar 9, 2024 7:17 am

zoyathedestroya wrote:W-L between top 8 teams:

• BOS: 6-7
• MIN: 9-7
• OKC: 11-5
• DEN: 8-8
• LAC: 5-11
• MIL: 7-5
• CLE: 5-7
• NOP: 7-8

What stands out?

OKC are talented but young good teams often don’t get the scouting and scrutiny others have had from years of playoff experience. It will be very interesting to see if they can keep up that form in the playoffs where things slow down, become more physical and each player will be under the microscope.

It’s one thing about JT and JB, they’ve had it for years and have had to work through everyone knowing their weaknesses and getting better. I’ll be watching SGA although his game suits playoffs, but more JDub and Chet and whether they are exposed in some way.

Also Clippers…ouch.

I’d be interested in knowing who faced who at full strength, back to backs etc also.
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Post#1213 » by bigfoot_cryptozoology » Sat Mar 9, 2024 7:26 am

Yeah, that's not good... No, Bird he!

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Post#1214 » by zoyathedestroya » Sat Mar 9, 2024 8:35 am

bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:Yeah, that's not good... No, Bird he!

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Same criteria, same span, but in the playoffs where we actually needed him to deliver: 3/8 (37.5%). Make it last 5 minutes: 5/11 (45.5%).
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Post#1215 » by zoyathedestroya » Sat Mar 9, 2024 9:41 am

zoyathedestroya wrote:
bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:Yeah, that's not good... No, Bird he!

Read on Twitter

Same criteria, same span, but in the playoffs where we actually needed him to deliver: 3/8 (37.5%). Make it last 5 minutes: 5/11 (45.5%).

...or this:
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Playoff Jrue worries me more. But since he won't need to take as many clutch shots in Boston, maybe that concern is premature and unwarranted.
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Post#1216 » by Fierce1 » Sat Mar 9, 2024 9:48 am

SGA is not even on that list.
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Post#1217 » by fallguy » Sat Mar 9, 2024 10:52 am

I'm traveling so haven't seen the last few games (but will catch up on all of them in a few weeks).

BUT.

Anyone comparing JT to Bird is nothing less than brain dead. They are different animals entirely.
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Post#1218 » by Fierce1 » Sat Mar 9, 2024 10:56 am

fallguy wrote:I'm traveling so haven't seen the last few games (but will catch up on all of them in a few weeks).

BUT.

Anyone comparing JT to Bird is nothing less than brain dead. They are different animals entirely.

You need to catch up more because apparently you're way behind.

Here:
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/larry-bird-trophy-eastern-conference-finals-mvp/sszhav0xlv5p5i5lxmifxaaq#:~:text=The%20Larry%20Bird%20Trophy%20is,in%20the%202022%20NBA%20Finals.

What is the Larry Bird Trophy?

The Larry Bird Trophy is awarded annually to the MVP of the Eastern Conference Finals.

The trophy was introduced last season as a part of the NBA's 75th-anniversary celebrations. The inaugural award, fittingly, went to Celtics star Jayson Tatum, who helped lead his team to an appearance in the 2022 NBA Finals.
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Post#1219 » by Fierce1 » Sat Mar 9, 2024 10:57 am

Game, set, match! :lol:
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Post#1220 » by fallguy » Sat Mar 9, 2024 10:58 am

Fierce1 wrote:
fallguy wrote:I'm traveling so haven't seen the last few games (but will catch up on all of them in a few weeks).

BUT.

Anyone comparing JT to Bird is nothing less than brain dead. They are different animals entirely.

You need to catch up more because apparently you're way behind.

Here:
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/larry-bird-trophy-eastern-conference-finals-mvp/sszhav0xlv5p5i5lxmifxaaq#:~:text=The%20Larry%20Bird%20Trophy%20is,in%20the%202022%20NBA%20Finals.

What is the Larry Bird Trophy?

The Larry Bird Trophy is awarded annually to the MVP of the Eastern Conference Finals.

The trophy was introduced last season as a part of the NBA's 75th-anniversary celebrations. The inaugural award, fittingly, went to Celtics star Jayson Tatum, who helped lead his team to an appearance in the 2022 NBA Finals.


Brain dead.

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