Trade Landscape/Trade Ideas

[BleedGreen1989]

^^^Ive thought about Lee/Bogans for Asik before. Bass doesn't really fit their offense so I get them not being interested in him.

Still imagine a pick would have to be involved.

[165bows]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/wojyahoonba/status/418427541817683968[/tweet]

Edit - Apparently Woj removed this tweet for whatever reason. Thanks for making me look like an idiot, Woj!11!

[soxfan2003]

So Cleveland passes on Pau Gasol for Vitor, Humps and Wes Johnson? Why would Cleveland do that?

Laugh all you want and realize some people will do so but statistically speaking Humphries is actually having a better year then Gasol on a per minute basis. Moderately higher PER and much higher TS rating. And Humps now has the highest +- rating on the Celtics. And he is 4.5 years younger.... And much more likely to not be overpaid next year. Prime Gasol >>> prime Humphries and arguably should have gotten a Finals MVP but a serious argument can be made that Humphries right now may be better then Pau Gasol.

I certainly don't want Pau Gasol on the Celtics unless the Celtics can turn back the clock to 2010 and keep it there for a few years. I said before this season that he is declining rather rapidly. He is now 33. My father recently said it best when discussing the NBA in general. Many years ago, a lot of 33-34 year old players were playing in their last seasons or had already retired and now players often want to play 3-4 more years if they can hang on just because the salaries have gone so high. Yes players are in better condition then ever before but basketball is still a young man's game in most cases.

There are some players that are still great/near great players at 33-34 but the list isn't that long. And I suspect that some of the players that really looked good in their mid 30's like a Karl Malone may have been juicing... For Gasol to be a very good player at 33-34, he has to at least be a very strong #2 option on offense and I flat out think he no longer has it on a consistent basis.

[KGboss]

Lee came from Houston. They know who he is. They arent trading Asik just for Lee and an expiring.

[BleedGreen1989]

In not usually a "trade Rondo" guy but do the Atlanta Hawks make sense when Rondo proves his health?

Trade may need to be done closer to the draft but something like,

Rajon Rondo for Jeff Teague, Dennis Schrauder, 2014 ATL first (top 5 pro)

Maybe Boston adds something else.

[15th overall]

^ I view that trade as downgrading the PG position for just a first round pick. 90% of the time the team that ends up with the best player and I don't think that trade is an exception. I'd pass.

[Mr. E]

Jammer - coming from the Houston side that deal would probably not be considered. Lee is a known commodity here, but his contract goes on one year too long for the Rockets. Bogans doesn't do anything for the team. Asik has more value to Houston than that.

You seem to harbor...strong feelings regarding the Rockets franchise. You are very misinformed about some of the details of our organization in your post. Rossas resigned from the Mavericks after realizing he didn't have the role he believed he would as GM. His return to Houston is not as Morey's "boss." He works under Morey like he did before in a similar capacity to when he left with some added responsibilities previously held by Hinkie.

Morey is not going to move Asik until he has a deal where he believes he had comparable value. Seeing as how he clearly seems to value Asik more than most, the growing opinion here seems to be that Asik will at least finish this season with Houston. He won't go anywhere on a bargain deal.

[BleedGreen1989]

^ I view that trade as downgrading the PG position for just a first round pick. 90% of the time the team that ends up with the best player and I don't think that trade is an exception. I'd pass.

I think if anything, Atlanta would decline.

Teague is really coming into his own averaging 17 points and 8 assists. I was personally pretty high on the "German Rondo", who's currently struggling to find playing time behind Teague and sixth man Williams. Then a possible lottery pick in a good draft to top it off.

[Pogue Mahone]

Per WT, Miller and Shaw sabre-rattling

Boston
Trades Courtney Lee, Marshon Brooks and Jordan Crawford

Denver
Trades Andre Miller, Anthony Randolph and Quincy Miller

Why:

BOS: Shed Lee's third year. Get a competent PG to run the offense. Miller can also cross-match defensively against most SGs. Randolph and Miller are low-cost lottery tickets.

DEN: Depends on how much discontent is there, I guess. Shed some salary in 2014-15. Get everyone's favorite shooting guard. Get a scoring combo guard. Get expiring salary.

I would do it if I was Boston but I really don't see the incentive for Denver as they already have Randy Foye and Nate Robinson so the addition of Crawford and Lee doesn't really do much for them. I highly doubt Lee could fetch Miller by himself, without sweetener.

[15th overall]

^ Denver seems pretty GSW-ish in that they never seem to have enough guards, so it's at least plausible. I'd be all about it if but they'd have to be pretty high on steEZ. Hopefully he goes ham until the deadline.

[165bows]

This trade deadline is going to be bananas, IMO. Carmelo putting out the stink face via the rumor mill, on the WT and everywhere else.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... ves-Knicks

For fun I'll predict that Detroit takes him on as a rental for G. Monroe, picks, and expirings. It would be a crazy risky move, but Dumars might see his job on the line and decide to push all his chips into the pot. Monroe might be the best young player NY could realistically get, and lots of rumors that Detroit's not re-signing Monroe. If it happened, Chandler would probably be out right behind him.

[15th overall]

If Danny's gonna make a run at Melo it'd be best to get an Asik (or Larry S) trade done ASAP...at least if your looking for assurance that he'll resign here.

[klemen4]

As far as how the Knicks season has been to this point...there is a chance we could put together a good package for Melo at trade deadline. But I think Dolan(owner) is to proud to trade Melo and that will cost him, I believe He will not resign in NY and walk in summer.

Ainge should offer Green+Hump+2/3 picks with Melo taking his 14/15 option or agreeing to extension(If that is even possible??) as KG did when traded to Boston.

[celtxman]

Jammer - coming from the Houston side that deal would probably not be considered. Lee is a known commodity here, but his contract goes on one year too long for the Rockets. Bogans doesn't do anything for the team. Asik has more value to Houston than that.

You seem to harbor...strong feelings regarding the Rockets franchise. You are very misinformed about some of the details of our organization in your post. Rossas resigned from the Mavericks after realizing he didn't have the role he believed he would as GM. His return to Houston is not as Morey's "boss." He works under Morey like he did before in a similar capacity to when he left with some added responsibilities previously held by Hinkie.

Morey is not going to move Asik until he has a deal where he believes he had comparable value. Seeing as how he clearly seems to value Asik more than most, the growing opinion here seems to be that Asik will at least finish this season with Houston. He won't go anywhere on a bargain deal.

I would agree that this offer would not be enough, but the thought that Morey is asking for too much goes beyond this forum. Bass is not a bad consolation prize for not getting Millsap, for a playoff team. Bass opened some eyes during the playoffs not just for scoring and rebounding, but also guarding Carmelo Anthony. If the word was correct of Bass, Lee, and a 1st (just not next year)....and that wasn't enough -then it was time for the Celtics to move on too. Personally I thought that was a trade good for both sides. The Celtics have Sullinger and Olynk to play at PF. Houston could use a couple of veteran players to bolster their playoff roster. I would consider substituting Bogans for Lee, although I'm not sure Ainge would. I'm thinking Morey has some fallback deal somewhere. It doesn't seem to make sense for him to keep Asik through the season no matter what he says to the media

[brackdan70]

As far as how the Knicks season has been to this point...there is a chance we could put together a good package for Melo at trade deadline. But I think Dolan(owner) is to proud to trade Melo and that will cost him, I believe He will not resign in NY and walk in summer.

Ainge should offer Green+Hump+2/3 picks with Melo taking his 14/15 option or agreeing to extension(If that is even possible??) as KG did when traded to Boston.

I throw up a little in my mouth every time someone talks about the Cs trading for Melo.
he is going to get a hundred million + contract next time around and that does not help the Cs

[Jammer]

Jammer - coming from the Houston side that deal would probably not be considered. Lee is a known commodity here, but his contract goes on one year too long for the Rockets. Bogans doesn't do anything for the team. Asik has more value to Houston than that.

You seem to harbor...strong feelings regarding the Rockets franchise. You are very misinformed about some of the details of our organization in your post. Rossas resigned from the Mavericks after realizing he didn't have the role he believed he would as GM. His return to Houston is not as Morey's "boss." He works under Morey like he did before in a similar capacity to when he left with some added responsibilities previously held by Hinkie.

Morey is not going to move Asik until he has a deal where he believes he had comparable value. Seeing as how he clearly seems to value Asik more than most, the growing opinion here seems to be that Asik will at least finish this season with Houston. He won't go anywhere on a bargain deal.

I would agree that this offer would not be enough, but the thought that Morey is asking for too much goes beyond this forum. Bass is not a bad consolation prize for not getting Millsap, for a playoff team. Bass opened some eyes during the playoffs not just for scoring and rebounding, but also guarding Carmelo Anthony. If the word was correct of Bass, Lee, and a 1st (just not next year)....and that wasn't enough -then it was time for the Celtics to move on too. Personally I thought that was a trade good for both sides. The Celtics have Sullinger and Olynk to play at PF. Houston could use a couple of veteran players to bolster their playoff roster. I would consider substituting Bogans for Lee, although I'm not sure Ainge would. I'm thinking Morey has some fallback deal somewhere. It doesn't seem to make sense for him to keep Asik through the season no matter what he says to the media

Thanks to Mr. E for some clarification.

I do beg to disagree on the equity of the two variants of the transaction.

Neither may happen, but anything more than a second round pick in the Bass + Lee for Asik is excessive. If it was a First Rounder, from Boston as opposed to Houston's wishful thinking, I would expect it to be Top 25 protected thru 2018, when it would convert to a second round pick.

The Lee + Bogans version doesn't even warrant a second round pick.

If that's not good enough for Houston, let them wait till the draft, when, I repeat, any team asked to give up a pick will insist for a guarantee from Asik that he will re-sign. Asik, I repeat, may simply say he's keeping his options open, screwing Houston indirectly, but Houston should be well aware of this possiblity before it happens. The absolute dumbest thing to hear were if some reporter writes a buy-line that Houston declined to trade Asik around the draft because clubs were insisting on a guarantee that Asik would re-sign the next summer, and that no club would give up a pick without it. That scenario should have been forseen, by Houston, the same day last July when Asik made his trade request.

Any trade made before Feb. 20 will likely not have that guarantee attached.

[darrendaye]

Crawford and Bogans to Denver for Andre Miller and a 1st?

[brackdan70]

Crawford and Bogans to Denver for Andre Miller and a 1st?

why would Denver do that?

[165bows]

Crawford and Bogans to Denver for Andre Miller and a 1st?

[tweet]https://twitter.com/wojyahoonba/status/418960688967475200[/tweet]

No mention of what would go back to Denver.

[shawn unkempt]

Crawford and Bogans to Denver for Andre Miller and a 1st?

[tweet]https://twitter.com/wojyahoonba/status/418960688967475200[/tweet]

No mention of what would go back to Denver.

Kings are going to be involved in every trade this season apparently