Official BKN Pick Watch Thread 2016 Season [3.0]

rickrolled · Post #1221 » by **rickrolled** » Mon Apr 18, 2016 3:26 pm

Darth Celtic wrote:Is it too much to ask for this order?
1. Boston
2. Suns
3. Lakers
4. Sixers

It would not be this way, if both boston and phoenix go top 2 it would be: Boston, Phoenix, Philly, Philly (lakers top 3 pick)
I would like this.

Post #1222 » by **Darth Celtic** » Mon Apr 18, 2016 3:29 pm

i thought i saw where the lakers pick was top 3, not top 2. That was from ESPN trade checker. They only have lakers pick go to sixers if it falls out of top 3. Guess i'll have to research.

OFWGKTA · Post #1223 » by **OFWGKTA** » Mon Apr 18, 2016 3:30 pm

rickrolled wrote:
Darth Celtic wrote:Is it too much to ask for this order?
1. Boston
2. Suns
3. Lakers
4. Sixers

It would not be this way, if both boston and phoenix go top 2 it would be: Boston, Phoenix, Philly, Philly (lakers top 3 pick)
I would like this.

Lakers pick is top 3 protected, not 2

edit:
"2016 first round draft pick to Philadelphia
L.A. Lakers' 1st round pick to Philadelphia (via Phoenix) protected for selections 1-3 in 2016 and 1-3 in 2017 and unprotected in 2018 [L.A. Lakers-Phoenix, 7/11/2012; Milwaukee-Philadelphia-Phoenix, 2/19/2015]"

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

Post #1224 » by **Darth Celtic** » Mon Apr 18, 2016 3:30 pm

ESPN and NBADRAFT both have lakers pick top 3 protected.

Crossy2008 · Post #1225 » by **Crossy2008** » Mon Apr 18, 2016 3:38 pm

Murta wrote:If I were running Brooklyn, I'd try to create respectable product next season and build off it like Atlanta did. Young and Lopez are my poor man's Horford and Milsap, I have RHJ on the wing for next 3 years on a bargain deal, so that's good. I'd try to sign Conley or Rondo as a vet point guard leader, see how much money they want, keep Larkin as backup PG, waive Jack, keep Robinson and Bogdanović as first two guys off the bench and then get a sharpshooter next to RHJ, somebody with bright future like Barnes for max deal and hope it works out.
You're not going to win championships or lay c'ship foundations, the very least you can do is be a fun 40 win team.

Rondo - Larkin
RHJ - Brown
Barnes - Bogdanović
Young - Robinson
Lopez - Simms

Worst case scenario for that team is being bad in 2018-19 after a series of injuries, but Nets are going to have to be bad if they don't try. Best scenario is that the coach becomes as a good signing, they are competitive in Eastern conference and you ride it out, change some spare parts in the meantime.

I could see Rondo "maybe" going to the Nets, but I don't think there is any chance that Barnes would. He has a chance at being on a back to back championship team, and to go from that to a team like the Nets would be hard to do IMO. I am sure he wants to show that he can be a number one or number two option on a team, but he would be better off going to the Lakers, Dallas, Washington, Portland, maybe Houston, Charlotte, Detroit, Miami, Atlanta, Toronto, or Utah before going to Brooklyn.

Best approach for Brooklyn from my perspective is to do everything you can to get young and talented over the next two seasons, and have enough cap space going into the 2018-2019 season to sign a max guy or two. They should take on any contract they can as long as it expires after the next two season and is a positive gain in the youth/Pick category.

This just so happens to be the best situation for the Celtics, but that should not matter too much for them.

They should keep Jack for leadership reasons, and call Phoenix and offer Thad for Chandler and #13, and if they say no I would accept #28 and #34 and future considerations. Then I would try to work out a deal that sends Lopez to Chicago for their #14 pick. Then offer Denver #13 and Bogdanovic for #15 and #18. Come out of the draft with either #14, #15, #18, and #55, or end up with #14, #28, #34, and #55, and maybe an extra pick next year.

Crossy2008 · Post #1226 » by **Crossy2008** » Mon Apr 18, 2016 3:51 pm

OFWGKTA wrote:
rickrolled wrote:
Darth Celtic wrote:Is it too much to ask for this order?
1. Boston
2. Suns
3. Lakers
4. Sixers

It would not be this way, if both boston and phoenix go top 2 it would be: Boston, Phoenix, Philly, Philly (lakers top 3 pick)
I would like this.

Lakers pick is top 3 protected, not 2

edit:
"2016 first round draft pick to Philadelphia
L.A. Lakers' 1st round pick to Philadelphia (via Phoenix) protected for selections 1-3 in 2016 and 1-3 in 2017 and unprotected in 2018 [L.A. Lakers-Phoenix, 7/11/2012; Milwaukee-Philadelphia-Phoenix, 2/19/2015]"

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

What if the order was Boston/Milwaukee/Philly, and Boston drafted Ingram, or basically if Milwaukee ended up picking one or two. They have no need for a SF or PF with the Greek and Parker. I wonder if there is any scenario where Ingram or Simmons drop to three because team need becomes a higher priority than best player available.

Post #1227 » by **Darth Celtic** » Mon Apr 18, 2016 3:56 pm

Top 2 picks will be Ingram and Simmons. What order, still up for debate.

I don't want the lakers to get a top 2 pick as the drop off after 2 is great, but i don't want the sixers to get 2 top 5 picks either.

As for the Nets, Whatever they do, I hope they are a bottom 5 team for 2 more years. After that, I can care less. In the short term, trading Lopez and Young for picks would make them worse so I'm all for it.

Ben-N1ce · Post #1228 » by **Ben-N1ce** » Mon Apr 18, 2016 4:25 pm

It's kind of crazy that say the Celtics landed Simmons. They will still would have to do a ton to improve the teams terrible outside shooting.

Post #1229 » by **djFan71** » Mon Apr 18, 2016 4:41 pm

CrowderKeg wrote:
CelticsLV wrote:
CrowderKeg wrote:Today's results (1,000 spins):
Tankathon.com - 1 (15.2%), 2 (17.8%), 3 (14.5%), 4 (22.6%), 5 (26.2%), 6 (3.7%)
ESPN Mock Draft - 1 (14.9%), 2 (14.8%), 3 (15.9%), 4 (22.7%), 5 (27%), 6 (4.7%)

Shocker. ESPN hates the Celtics.

Dude, relax...
Just statistics/math in it's full glory. At such large scale (1000 spins) you will only confirm what's already clear.

People still can't tell when I'm kidding or not. Got to use that green font and smileys more often.

I knew. You did at least 10,000, who are we kidding?

2Mas · Post #1230 » by **2Mas** » Mon Apr 18, 2016 5:06 pm

Darth Celtic wrote:Top 2 picks will be Ingram and Simmons. What order, still up for debate.

I don't want the lakers to get a top 2 pick as the drop off after 2 is great, but i don't want the sixers to get 2 top 5 picks either.

As for the Nets, Whatever they do, I hope they are a bottom 5 team for 2 more years. After that, I can care less. In the short term, trading Lopez and Young for picks would make them worse so I'm all for it.

Yup agreed.

What worse for LAL's core of - Russell-Simmons-Randle?
or PHI's core of say Dunn-Ingram-Noel-Embiid? As a fan though - I think if Philly don't get 1 or 2 & get LAL's pick, they draft Dunn & Hield. 2 major needs. Just for like - NBA2k17 MyGM type reasons.

We need Ingram or Simmons. If not, trade that ish.

Edug27 · Post #1231 » by **Edug27** » Mon Apr 18, 2016 5:13 pm

Lakers - Simmons
Celtics - Ingram
Sixers - Hield

That's how I think it plays out. While I love me some Simmons, I'd be ecstatic with Ingram. Sixers take the older, more ready Buddy Hield to pair with Okafor.

Edug27 · Post #1232 » by **Edug27** » Mon Apr 18, 2016 5:14 pm

Ben-N1ce wrote:It's kind of crazy that say the Celtics landed Simmons. They will still would have to do a ton to improve the teams terrible outside shooting.

Yes, but ideally, you now have a player to build around with superstar potential. Whether he lives up to it or not remains to be seen.

SMTBSI · Post #1233 » by **SMTBSI** » Mon Apr 18, 2016 5:51 pm

Darth Celtic wrote:I don't want the lakers to get a top 2 pick as the drop off after 2 is great, but i don't want the sixers to get 2 top 5 picks either.

Philly getting #3 and #4 feels like the clear least-of-all-evils to me.

Sure, in general you don't want a team in your division getting loaded up with assets, but, it's the Lakers that are breathing down our necks for rings; every asset that can be removed from them is only a good thing. If forced to choose, I'd much rather see the Sixers round into contending form than LA.

CeltsfanSinceBirth · Post #1234 » by **CeltsfanSinceBirth** » Mon Apr 18, 2016 6:10 pm

Let's not kid ourselves folks. The Lakers are getting that 1st pick overall. Pretty sure that the sealed envelope with the Lakers logo in it is just sitting in Adam's inbox on his desk, waiting to be opened on lottery day.

Edug27 · Post #1235 » by **Edug27** » Mon Apr 18, 2016 6:15 pm

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:Let's not kid ourselves folks. The Lakers are getting that 1st pick overall. Pretty sure that the sealed envelope with the Lakers logo in it is just sitting in Adam's inbox on his desk, waiting to be opened on lottery day.

I've said the same thing the last 2 seasons.

CeltsfanSinceBirth · Post #1236 » by **CeltsfanSinceBirth** » Mon Apr 18, 2016 6:43 pm

Edug27 wrote:
CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:Let's not kid ourselves folks. The Lakers are getting that 1st pick overall. Pretty sure that the sealed envelope with the Lakers logo in it is just sitting in Adam's inbox on his desk, waiting to be opened on lottery day.

I've said the same thing the last 2 seasons.

It will happen this year, now that Kobe's gone. Can't have a 1st pick overall on the same team to hog the glory from Kobe. :lol:

Captain_Caveman · Post #1237 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Mon Apr 18, 2016 8:06 pm

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:Let's not kid ourselves folks. The Lakers are getting that 1st pick overall. Pretty sure that the sealed envelope with the Lakers logo in it is just sitting in Adam's inbox on his desk, waiting to be opened on lottery day.

The NBA draft conspiracy theory is the strangest of all conspiracy theories to me. Since the Ewing draft that spawned it, loser cities and franchises have won it almost exclusively. Cavs won the #1 pick five times, including Lebron. Orlando won 3 times, including the Webber and Shaq drafts. San Antonio lands both DRob and Duncan. New Orleans lands Anthony Davis. Towns to Minnesota. NJ, Milwaukee, Clippers all win twice.

Meanwhile, most of the high-profile teams like the Lakers, Celtics, Knicks etc always seem to slip.

Not a shred of evidence to support anything but the most bizarre of conspiracy theories, yet the myth sustains.

truth18 · Post #1238 » by **truth18** » Mon Apr 18, 2016 8:14 pm

Captain_Caveman wrote:
CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:Let's not kid ourselves folks. The Lakers are getting that 1st pick overall. Pretty sure that the sealed envelope with the Lakers logo in it is just sitting in Adam's inbox on his desk, waiting to be opened on lottery day.

The NBA draft conspiracy theory is the strangest of all conspiracy theories to me. Since the Ewing draft that spawned it, loser cities and franchises have won it almost exclusively. Cavs won the #1 pick five times, including Lebron. Orlando won 3 times, including the Webber and Shaq drafts. San Antonio lands both DRob and Duncan. New Orleans lands Anthony Davis. Towns to Minnesota. NJ, Milwaukee, Clippers all win twice.

Meanwhile, most of the high-profile teams like the Lakers, Celtics, Knicks etc always seem to slip.

Not a shred of evidence to support anything but the most bizarre of conspiracy theories, yet the myth sustains.

Agree, and for the record, my comment (kiss the 2/3 pick goodbye) was regarding the general karma that tends to **** us in these things.

Fully expecting abstract forces to be against us, but there is no conspiracy here.

jmr07019 · Post #1239 » by **jmr07019** » Mon Apr 18, 2016 8:33 pm

Captain_Caveman wrote:
CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:Let's not kid ourselves folks. The Lakers are getting that 1st pick overall. Pretty sure that the sealed envelope with the Lakers logo in it is just sitting in Adam's inbox on his desk, waiting to be opened on lottery day.

The NBA draft conspiracy theory is the strangest of all conspiracy theories to me. Since the Ewing draft that spawned it, loser cities and franchises have won it almost exclusively. Cavs won the #1 pick five times, including Lebron. Orlando won 3 times, including the Webber and Shaq drafts. San Antonio lands both DRob and Duncan. New Orleans lands Anthony Davis. Towns to Minnesota. NJ, Milwaukee, Clippers all win twice.

Meanwhile, most of the high-profile teams like the Lakers, Celtics, Knicks etc always seem to slip.

Not a shred of evidence to support anything but the most bizarre of conspiracy theories, yet the myth sustains.

The evidence is that they don't televise the drawing.

Captain_Caveman · Post #1240 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Mon Apr 18, 2016 8:38 pm

jmr07019 wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:Let's not kid ourselves folks. The Lakers are getting that 1st pick overall. Pretty sure that the sealed envelope with the Lakers logo in it is just sitting in Adam's inbox on his desk, waiting to be opened on lottery day.

The NBA draft conspiracy theory is the strangest of all conspiracy theories to me. Since the Ewing draft that spawned it, loser cities and franchises have won it almost exclusively. Cavs won the #1 pick five times, including Lebron. Orlando won 3 times, including the Webber and Shaq drafts. San Antonio lands both DRob and Duncan. New Orleans lands Anthony Davis. Towns to Minnesota. NJ, Milwaukee, Clippers all win twice.

Meanwhile, most of the high-profile teams like the Lakers, Celtics, Knicks etc always seem to slip.

Not a shred of evidence to support anything but the most bizarre of conspiracy theories, yet the myth sustains.

The evidence is that they don't televise the drawing.

For what purpose?