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GoCeltics123 wrote:BSA wrote:Alex Len is a RFA.
Would he be someone we might look to bring in on the cheap to replace Zeller?
Still only 24 and has shown some flashes of potential in his 4 years in the NBA.
Stop. He's not even better than Zeller and will want the same $ in the new cap era
BSA wrote:GoCeltics123 wrote:BSA wrote:Alex Len is a RFA.
Would he be someone we might look to bring in on the cheap to replace Zeller?
Still only 24 and has shown some flashes of potential in his 4 years in the NBA.
Stop. He's not even better than Zeller and will want the same $ in the new cap era
Did you ignore the whole "on the cheap" part?
ddb wrote:Hearing that Danny & his staff are settling down on trade ideas and narrowing in on getting Jackson in later today (wednesday). They are still engaged in trade talks, but will not deal with teams who aren't realistic about value for their player.
Starting to sound like once again DA is willing to be patient. I have also heard that he likes Jackson and Tatum so much that he is really happy with staying put.
FYI. Whole off-season of free agency & trades. Don't panic if Danny simply drafts Jackson or Tatum.
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ddb wrote:Hearing that Danny & his staff are settling down on trade ideas and narrowing in on getting Jackson in later today (wednesday). They are still engaged in trade talks, but will not deal with teams who aren't realistic about value for their player.
Starting to sound like once again DA is willing to be patient. I have also heard that he likes Jackson and Tatum so much that he is really happy with staying put.
I should also note that their plan A is Anthony Davis & Gordon Hayward. But much like the Durant/Horford plan A, it's a better possibility we land Hayward and not AD
FYI. Whole off-season of free agency & trades. Don't panic if Danny simply drafts Jackson or Tatum.
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GoCeltics123 wrote:BSA wrote:GoCeltics123 wrote:Stop. He's not even better than Zeller and will want the same $ in the new cap era
Did you ignore the whole "on the cheap" part?
He won't want cheap $ though, and I would honestly rather keep Zeller at his salary (which is good filler for trades) than take Len for cheap
ddb wrote:Hearing that Danny & his staff are settling down on trade ideas and narrowing in on getting Jackson in later today (wednesday). They are still engaged in trade talks, but will not deal with teams who aren't realistic about value for their player.
Starting to sound like once again DA is willing to be patient. I have also heard that he likes Jackson and Tatum so much that he is really happy with staying put.
I should also note that their plan A is Anthony Davis & Gordon Hayward. But much like the Durant/Horford plan A, it's a better possibility we land Hayward and not AD
FYI. Whole off-season of free agency & trades. Don't panic if Danny simply drafts Jackson or Tatum.
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BannerStatus wrote:On one hand you can make the case that LAL trading any assets for PG is a waste for this year since he's nearly a lock to sign there next year and they can just do it for money without costing any assets.
On the other hand, if it's going to take some lesser pieces that aren't in their long-term plans - basically some permeation of the trade that's out there now, why not do it so you can integrate PG with Lonzo and Luke's system this year and get the core building chemistry now, then add LBJ next year, instead of trying to integrate two superstar alpha's in the same year, neither are getting any younger and that's just one more year later towards building that championship level chemistry.
I think there's a lot of value to LAL in adding PG this year and not waiting. As much as I hate to say that cuz it's going to probably guarantee that the LAL pick next year conveys to 2019 SAC.
If I were LAL, I'd make that happen, can't see how it doesn't.
reload141 wrote:ddb wrote:Hearing that Danny & his staff are settling down on trade ideas and narrowing in on getting Jackson in later today (wednesday). They are still engaged in trade talks, but will not deal with teams who aren't realistic about value for their player.
Starting to sound like once again DA is willing to be patient. I have also heard that he likes Jackson and Tatum so much that he is really happy with staying put.
I should also note that their plan A is Anthony Davis & Gordon Hayward. But much like the Durant/Horford plan A, it's a better possibility we land Hayward and not AD
FYI. Whole off-season of free agency & trades. Don't panic if Danny simply drafts Jackson or Tatum.
Sent from my SM-G930T using RealGM mobile app
Wet blanket Bulpett or wet blanket ddb? Have a good vibe about Hayward at least?
Totally love you posting this stuff btw haha
Agreed. Though realistically it's going to cost us Bradley and Crowder in any deal, because we'll want to save max cap space for Hayward or Blake and that's only way how. But considering Bradley's in last year of his deal, about to be paid $20M+ and has a questionable future here, I don't believe that should be a deal breaker either. Going to be really disappointed if George winds up in LA because after dealing D'Angelo and allegedly making both #2 and Ingram untouchable, they really have remarkably little to deal.sam_I_am wrote:BannerStatus wrote:On one hand you can make the case that LAL trading any assets for PG is a waste for this year since he's nearly a lock to sign there next year and they can just do it for money without costing any assets.
On the other hand, if it's going to take some lesser pieces that aren't in their long-term plans - basically some permeation of the trade that's out there now, why not do it so you can integrate PG with Lonzo and Luke's system this year and get the core building chemistry now, then add LBJ next year, instead of trying to integrate two superstar alpha's in the same year, neither are getting any younger and that's just one more year later towards building that championship level chemistry.
I think there's a lot of value to LAL in adding PG this year and not waiting. As much as I hate to say that cuz it's going to probably guarantee that the LAL pick next year conveys to 2019 SAC.
If I were LAL, I'd make that happen, can't see how it doesn't.
I think Danny should consider paying more than Lakers for 1 year rental. We don't need to get Laker pick - it's almost better to have a lottery pick in 2019 instead if we could. But, getting George would be awesome and if the cost is Crowder and 2 firsts - why not?
Afam wrote:Without any major moves the celtics are just going to get destroyed by the Cavaliers. Thus wasting another year from Isaiah Thomas, and Al Horford. Each year a big move is not made, that is what they are do. Wasting their prime years.
Acquiring Gordon Hayward doesn't turn the celtics into championship contenders, nor helps them in beating the cavaliers. Pass on that. Just go for a totally rebuild and be done with that. Stop trying to rebuild and contend at the same time, it rarely works.
ddb wrote:Hearing that Danny & his staff are settling down on trade ideas and narrowing in on getting Jackson in later today (wednesday). They are still engaged in trade talks, but will not deal with teams who aren't realistic about value for their player.
Starting to sound like once again DA is willing to be patient. I have also heard that he likes Jackson and Tatum so much that he is really happy with staying put.
I should also note that their plan A is Anthony Davis & Gordon Hayward. But much like the Durant/Horford plan A, it's a better possibility we land Hayward and not AD
FYI. Whole off-season of free agency & trades. Don't panic if Danny simply drafts Jackson or Tatum.
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djFan71 wrote:CrowderKeg wrote:Banks2Pierce wrote:
Those calculations seem to come from IT making 30m and I think that's the part where we can get off the carousel. Can make it weird for the next star acquisition depending on when they hit FA if we had let IT walk, but I think we can make it work. Important to keep Crowder on the books because of his low number. Someone needs to make a calculator to plug in this nonsense.
Even at a very generous hometown discount of $20M for IT in his 1st year, the salary between four guys would be $111,973,710.00 with the cap at $102M and lux tax threshold at $124M. Add in Brown, Smart (ex. $12M), BKN 2018 (3rd pick), #3, and Zizic = $32,269,080. Fill in the roster with four five-year vets at minimum = $6,838,152.
Total salary is at $151,080,942.00. Using old CBA tax comp (if it hasn't changed), luxury tax would be $115,094,003.50.
Total bill: $266,174,945.50.
I could be wrong with my math/assumptions, but I don't think I'm far off (someone please check my homework). I'm sure Zarren has already made several of these scenarios/salary computations and have shown them to the owners. If a two-star acquisition happens, then it indicates they're willing to pay for it. Good for us fans! But that cost is huge and will only go up every year.
I'm with CrowderKeg, and don't care a ton about Wyc's checkbook. It's more about roster flexibility and getting value beyond salary. If you think maxing the standard IT/Butler or George/Hayward or Griffin/Horford gets you there completely to title contender - go for it. That's absolutely when you pay the tax. But, I don't think it does - you're dang close and a darkhorse, but not a true contender. So, I don't wanna be in tax hell and not playing in the finals. You have that roster and payroll minus what you gave up in trades, you don't have many avenues to improve beyond that core. You can tweak around the edges, but nothing significant. And if AD (or other, just an example) pops up for a trade, you think New Orleans is itching to reset around any of those max guys we have in exchange?
Obviously depends on the details of how you acquire these guys and what goes out, and what young guys you're relegating to the bench, etc. But that starts limiting the ways you can build a truly great team.
The Rondo Show wrote:Agreed. Though realistically it's going to cost us Bradley and Crowder in any deal, because we'll want to save max cap space for Hayward or Blake and that's only way how. But considering Bradley's in last year of his deal, about to be paid $20M+ and has a questionable future here, I don't believe that should be a deal breaker either. Going to be really disappointed if George winds up in LA because after dealing D'Angelo and allegedly making both #2 and Ingram untouchable, they really have remarkably little to deal.sam_I_am wrote:BannerStatus wrote:On one hand you can make the case that LAL trading any assets for PG is a waste for this year since he's nearly a lock to sign there next year and they can just do it for money without costing any assets.
On the other hand, if it's going to take some lesser pieces that aren't in their long-term plans - basically some permeation of the trade that's out there now, why not do it so you can integrate PG with Lonzo and Luke's system this year and get the core building chemistry now, then add LBJ next year, instead of trying to integrate two superstar alpha's in the same year, neither are getting any younger and that's just one more year later towards building that championship level chemistry.
I think there's a lot of value to LAL in adding PG this year and not waiting. As much as I hate to say that cuz it's going to probably guarantee that the LAL pick next year conveys to 2019 SAC.
If I were LAL, I'd make that happen, can't see how it doesn't.
I think Danny should consider paying more than Lakers for 1 year rental. We don't need to get Laker pick - it's almost better to have a lottery pick in 2019 instead if we could. But, getting George would be awesome and if the cost is Crowder and 2 firsts - why not?
If Kevin Love has more value than we think and he goes to CLE, that's one thing. Still don't love it/think we can top it, but there's really no excuse to be outbid by the Lakers on George at this point. Even as a rental, he's well worth that low asking price for a number of factors.
#1: Why do you think it's better to have in 2019? Is that supposed to be a much more hyped up draft? Because the Lakers pick, if we get it, is locked into spots 2-5 where as you don't know with 100% certainty where it would end up if it were Kings. But we also know we still can't get #1 that year, either. So best case scenario would probably be that 2-5 range, and there's some risk it wouldn't be in that range where as it'd be guaranteed to be if the Lakers pick conveys. Plus, getting the Lakers pick in '19 avoids the disaster scenario of SAC winning lottery and us getting PHI's pick, who could be greatly improved by then, especially if Embiid ever stays healthy. That kid had them winning a very respectable amount of games until he got hurt again. There is significant value in giving yourselves 2 cracks at a top 5 pick as opposed to just 1 in 2019. Even more so since the pick isn't completely unprotected.
#2: Blocks CLE from getting him as well. That means LeBron may have to go compete for a title with Kevin Love again, either in ECF's vs. us or vs. Warriors team that handled them pretty easily in Finals and becomes a better and better bet to head West at the end of next year. That opens up a window for us as the best team in East. If George ever went to CLE and loved his time there and they either beat Warriors or scared them by matching up far better, it could ensure that LeBron finishes his career in the East with 2 young studs by his side.
#3: It may help you recruit a max FA like Hayward or Griffin, as you become a significantly better team and a real threat to at least make the Finals. Even if he bolted after next year, if it helped you land a guy like that, and you didn't touch your core 4 future assets like #3, J.Brown, BKN '18 and LAL/SAC pick, could argue it's worth it for that alone.
#4: As much as everyone in media thinks its a lock he goes to LA, it's a lot harder leaving a place that is winning a ton of games where people are happy rather than a disappointing IND team w/o a bright future.
I mean, Ainge was willing to gamble on renting CP3 years ago at a far steeper price than this. Hope he hasn't gotten too risk averse when it comes to guys who could be potential rentals. When the price is right and the guy is a freakish talent, rentals need to be on the table too. Don't like that we weren't mentioned by Stein as a team interested yet.
KGboss wrote:Some Chicago informant on twitter talking about how the offer wasnt Butler for #3 straight up but #3 and Brown for Butler.
I would say no too if thats true
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