Trade Thread #8: All Gordon things come to an End

[Roddy]

Can't believe that Semi Ojeleye is still in the NBA....

[Froob]

Horford and Hayward both signed enormous contracts after playing here. This may help the Celtics in the long run. You play here = $$$

Irving and Rozier too.

And ET.

[sam_I_am]

I fear Theis may be gone to Charlotte if MJ agrees to a sign-and-trade. Theis and Hayward to the Hornets, Cody Zeller to Boston. This clears enough space to avoid having to waive and stretch Batum. Boaston could substitute another player (e.g. Ojeleye) but Charlotte will need a center if it parts with Zeller.

Another option is a three team deal involving the Knicks. I wouldn't mind Hayward and Waters to Charlotte, Rozier to NY, Ntilikina to Boston. The Knicks may still be after a bigger fish than Rozier, but so far they have failed.

We are going to have a great season. Letting Hayward go rather than signing him for 4 years was best decision.

If we get a trade exception for him, expect it to expire unused. If your idea of fun is 100 page threads about getting Bogdan or Ingram.....enjoy. But this is over. Maybe at trade deadline we can fantasize about our expiring contracts bringing back a scorer....but that won’t happen either.

Get ready to roll with this squad and a playoff run where C’s are underdogs in every series. We go as far as Smart/Brown/Tatum can take us. Hoping Langford/Grant/Timelord make the Brad Steven’s leap we have seen with Rozier and Brown etc. Hope Nesmith can shoot the lights out and we have a punchers chance to get to finals. Hope Walker can get lots of rest and stay healthy for playoffs.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

So, this is where things stand now. If one more man enters, one man leaves,

Walker/Brown/Tatum/Thompson/Theis
Teague/Smart/Nesmith/G.Williams/R.Williams
Pritchard/Edwards/Langford/Green/Ojeleye
Waters/Fall

That's a team full of dogs. No softies there whatsoever besides tacko, the gentle giant.

[jfs1000d]

Celtics still need a vet SG/SF scorer off the bench in my opinion. Can’t count on NeSmith and Langford

U are right. But at end of day WTF? Nesmith and Langford were no. 14 picks. That is an nba contributor expectation, and a starter on some teams. Not expecting superstar, but they have to produce and be solid nba players.


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[jfs1000d]

What’s the best case scenario involving a Charlotte sign & trade?

Celtics get one. Seriously anything is better than nothing. Opens up more flexibility

TPE for $30M for a second round pick. TPE is better than the Myles turner garbage we tried to say was great. That is a deferred impact player.


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[LarryBirdsFingr]

Celtics still need a vet SG/SF scorer off the bench in my opinion. Can’t count on NeSmith and Langford

U are right. But at end of day WTF? Nesmith and Langford were no. 14 picks. That is an nba contributor expectation, and a starter on some teams. Not expecting superstar, but they have to produce and be solid nba players.


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Nesmith can stand in the corner for 8 mins a game and give you 2/4 for three, I'll take that all **** day compared to whatever garbage that was we trotted out last year

[jfs1000d]

Brandon Ingram
Bogdan Bogdanovic

Add them and we will be meeting Lakers in the finals.

I don’t think either is possible. Although I give Bogdan 5 percent chance of happening, Ingram I give less than 1 percent of happening.

Why is bogdan not possible? I know ainge night not want to tie up salary, but why wouldn’t he come here? 4 year, 75M? If you believe in the player.


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[jfs1000d]

Wiggy and Keefe killing the Celtics. They are right though. They are making valid points.

What are they saying?


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[darrendaye]

What’s the best case scenario involving a Charlotte sign & trade?

Celtics get one. Seriously anything is better than nothing. Opens up more flexibility

TPE for $30M for a second round pick. TPE is better than the Myles turner garbage we tried to say was great. That is a deferred impact player.


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100% this. Next year's FA class is expected to be impressive, having that TPE available could come in handy.

[big-shot-ROB]

I fear Theis may be gone to Charlotte if MJ agrees to a sign-and-trade. Theis and Hayward to the Hornets, Cody Zeller to Boston. This clears enough space to avoid having to waive and stretch Batum. Boaston could substitute another player (e.g. Ojeleye) but Charlotte will need a center if it parts with Zeller.

Another option is a three team deal involving the Knicks. I wouldn't mind Hayward and Waters to Charlotte, Rozier to NY, Ntilikina to Boston. The Knicks may still be after a bigger fish than Rozier, but so far they have failed.

Why on earth we would do that?

They need our help, not the other way around.

[Afam]

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[Scarletfire81]

What’s the best case scenario involving a Charlotte sign & trade?

Celtics get one. Seriously anything is better than nothing. Opens up more flexibility

TPE for $30M for a second round pick. TPE is better than the Myles turner garbage we tried to say was great. That is a deferred impact player.


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That would be amazing, this offseason would actually turn into a positive.

[sam_I_am]

What’s the best case scenario involving a Charlotte sign & trade?

Celtics get one. Seriously anything is better than nothing. Opens up more flexibility

TPE for $30M for a second round pick. TPE is better than the Myles turner garbage we tried to say was great. That is a deferred impact player.


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I agree. I would rather sign Gordon to 30 million/year than take on McDermott/Turner for 25 million a year, and I don’t want to pay Hayward. I also seriously doubt that Gordon was going to pass on the Charlotte offer. Has anybody shared any intel on that? Some are assuming Ainge “blew it” by refusing Indiana offer but whose to say Gordon wouldn’t have wanted Indiana to pony up more money?

I fully expect Danny to say no to a 1st round pick on sign and trade and if deal goes through to never use TPE the way we hope. That said, it might allow a disgruntled vet on losing team to come here more easily at trade deadline in a salary dump.

[Infinite Llamas]

Cody Zeller spends half the game on the perimeter waiting to jack up threes now and he ain’t any good at them. The guy rarely finished games and Borego even opted to play Biyombo over him at times. Theis is so much more impactful than Zeller it isn’t even funny.

[Afam]

Wiggy and Keefe killing the Celtics. They are right though. They are making valid points.

What are they saying?


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A lot of stuff really.

Celtics are not a championship. They are a treadmill team.

Jayson Tatum is not enough to turn the Celtics into a championship team. He is a fringe star player. Look back in history, Michael Jordan for example, you need multiple stars in order to win a championship.

Celtics fans accepts mediocrity and as result the Celtics ownership don’t have any incentive to improve the team. Does he talk to players he is cool with, Mitchell, Embiiid to come join him or does he join them

Tatum has no leverage, juice so he might sign the contract but after that does he sign another extension or does he leave.

[Scarletfire81]

Wiggy and Keefe killing the Celtics. They are right though. They are making valid points.

What are they saying?


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A lot of stuff really.

Celtics are not a championship. They are a treadmill team.

Jayson Tatum is not enough to turn the Celtics into a championship team. He is a fringe star player. Look back in history, Michael Jordan for example, you need multiple stars in order to win a championship.

Celtics fans accepts mediocrity and as result the Celtics ownership don’t have any incentive to improve the team. Does he talk to players he is cool with, Mitchell, Embiiid to come join him or does he join them

Tatum has no leverage, juice so he might sign the contract but after that does he sign another extension or does he leave.

Horrible takes, happy I’m not listening to these idiots.

[Afam]

I agree though we are not a champion team. More moves has to be done to reach that status. The fan base also needs to start pushing ownership to improve the team. One championship in 12 years is not a good record. The ultimate goal in the NBA, in sports is to win a championship, and the Celtics/ownership has failed on that.

[Scarletfire81]

I agree though we are not a champion team. More moves has to be done to reach that status. The fan base also needs to start pushing ownership to improve the team. One championship in 12 years is not a good record. The ultimate goal in the NBA, in sports is to win a championship, and the Celtics/ownership has failed on that.

Even if Ainge did everything right, we weren’t beating those Warriors teams, we had a small shot last year but Hayward got hurt. Even healthy we probably wouldn’t beat the Lakers though.

[jfs1000d]

I agree though we are not a champion team. More moves has to be done to reach that status. The fan base also needs to start pushing ownership to improve the team. One championship in 12 years is not a good record. The ultimate goal in the NBA, in sports is to win a championship, and the Celtics/ownership has failed on that.

This is New York Yankees thinking. And I am a Yankees fan. Yankees don’t even think like that anymore. Championship are failure is a terrible way to look at an organization.

That said. Do you believe Tatun is an mvp caliber talent? I do. Maybe u don’t.

And the doors on radio. Did they want to re sign Hayward at that rate? Or, did they want Lyles Turner?

Hayward at that price? No. Turner wasn’t going to make a difference. Danny made right move.


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