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2025 Offseason Trade and Free Agency Thread (The Fun Never Stops Edition)

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Re: 2025 Offseason Trade and Free Agency Thread (The Fun Never Stops Edition) 

Post#1221 » by Curmudgeon » Sat Jun 28, 2025 4:01 pm

CelticFaninLBC wrote:Simoms is a good player. Can't just salary dump him.


Sure you can. The Nets can have him tomorrow for a first round pick
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Post#1222 » by Higgs Boston » Sat Jun 28, 2025 4:10 pm

Hauser is the one that has to be traded, he is a specialist bench player that in the playoffs only give the performance of a good mini MLE player o minimum player. Simons at leeast is a starter caliber player with potential to be a good one.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Trade and Free Agency Thread (The Fun Never Stops Edition) 

Post#1223 » by hugepatsfan » Sat Jun 28, 2025 4:10 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:
CelticFaninLBC wrote:Simoms is a good player. Can't just salary dump him.


Sure you can. The Nets can have him tomorrow for a first round pick


We shouldn't give up a 1st to dump him. Make a series of trades to deal the money down gradually and then dump the spart parts leftover at the cost of just 2nds.
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Post#1224 » by Curmudgeon » Sat Jun 28, 2025 4:14 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:
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CelticFaninLBC wrote:Simoms is a good player. Can't just salary dump him.


Sure you can. The Nets can have him tomorrow for a first round pick


We shouldn't give up a 1st to dump him. Make a series of trades to deal the money down gradually and then dump the spart parts leftover at the cost of just 2nds.


No they give up a first because he's such a good player. What are the Nets going to do with all that cap space? They have to hit 90% of the cap or start paying players. Simons would be a perfect tank commander in Brooklyn. He'd get 30 shots a game.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Trade and Free Agency Thread (The Fun Never Stops Edition) 

Post#1225 » by fallguy » Sat Jun 28, 2025 4:42 pm

I still think Simons was acquired to be traded and won't ever play for us, but even if he does, I see almost no chance the Celtics would be interested in signing him beyond next year. I would not get attached.
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Post#1226 » by ajones9219 » Sat Jun 28, 2025 4:43 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:
CelticFaninLBC wrote:Simoms is a good player. Can't just salary dump him.


Sure you can. The Nets can have him tomorrow for a first round pick


He's a borderline all star level player. That would be dumb
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Post#1227 » by hugepatsfan » Sat Jun 28, 2025 4:45 pm

How about...

MIL gets: Simons

BOS gets: Brook Lopez via S&T

It needs to be a 3 year deal for S&T to be legal, but 3rd year can be non guaranteed. Starting salary has to be $20,178,571 for MIL to be sending out enough salary here to match on Simons and I feel like you can make the salary declining. Let's say $20,178,571 in year 1, $19,821,429 in year 2 and then non guaranteed $20M in year 3. So a 3 year $60M deal that's really only 2 years, $40M.

Addresses the roster imbalance of having no 5s this year. Allows you to keep playing 5-out offense even with Porzingis and potentially Horford gone. Puts you closer to ducking the tax this year. Still keeps you under the tax next year.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Trade and Free Agency Thread (The Fun Never Stops Edition) 

Post#1228 » by hugepatsfan » Sat Jun 28, 2025 4:46 pm

ajones9219 wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:
CelticFaninLBC wrote:Simoms is a good player. Can't just salary dump him.


Sure you can. The Nets can have him tomorrow for a first round pick


He's a borderline all star level player. That would be dumb


Simons? Borderline all star? Not even close.
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Post#1229 » by Gant » Sat Jun 28, 2025 4:51 pm

Gary Washburn:

The Celtics have until Sunday to pick up the option on JD Davison’s contract for 2025-26. Even if the Celtics do keep Davison, his $2.2 million would not become guaranteed until Jan. 10, 2026. Boston could pick up the option and add Davison to a potential trade to fill salary. The Celtics also have until Sunday to make a qualifying offer to two-way swingman Drew Peterson, who should get minutes with the team’s retooling this season. The Celtics also have an open two-way contract, a spot they could fill after summer league or even sooner with an undrafted player.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Trade and Free Agency Thread (The Fun Never Stops Edition) 

Post#1230 » by bisme37 » Sat Jun 28, 2025 4:57 pm

Here's a compilation of stuff from this very busy June...

NBA Free Agency officially begins on Monday, June 30th at 6:00 PM ET. During this period, teams are allowed to negotiate with free agents. However, players cannot officially sign contracts until July 6th, at 12:01 PM ET

So far:
- Rockets, Steven Adams Agree to 3-Year/$39M Contract Extension
- Russell Westbrook opts out and will enter free agency
- Grizzlies trade Desmond Bane to Magic for KCP, Cole Anthony, 4 1sts, 1 Pick Swap
- Pacers trade No. 23 pick and the rights to Mojave King to Pelicans for Indiana's own 2026 first-round pick back, which the Pelicans had previously acquired
- The Buss family is entering an agreement to sell majority ownership of the Los Angeles Lakers to Mark Walter, the CEO and chairman of diversified holding company TWG Global
- Ime Udoka and the Houston Rockets have agreed to a long-term contract extension that will make him one of the NBA's highest paid coaches at over $10 million per season
- Pat Connaughton Exercises $9.4M Player Option With Bucks
- Kevin Durant Traded to Rockets for Jalen Green, Dillon Brooks, No. 10, Five 2nd Round Picks
- Khris Middleton Exercises $33.M Player Option With Wizards
- Dallas Mavericks center Daniel Gafford intends to sign a three-year contract extension worth nearly $60 million
- Celtics Trade Jrue Holiday to Portland for Anfernee Simons, Two Second-Round Picks
- The New Orleans Pelicans are trading CJ McCollum, Kelly Olynyk and a future second-round pick to the Washington Wizards for Jordan Poole, Saddiq Bey and the No. 40 pick
- The NBA Board of Governors has unanimously approved the sale of the controlling interests in the Minnesota Timberwolves and the WNBA’s Minnesota Lynx from Glen Taylor to Marc Lore and Alex Rodriguez.
- Boston, Atlanta and Brooklyn are finalizing a three-team trade that sends Kristaps Porzingis and a second-round pick to the Hawks, Terance Mann and Atlanta's No. 22 pick to the Nets, and Georges Niang and a second-rounder to the Celtics.
- Dallas Mavericks nine-time NBA All-Star Kyrie Irving is declining his $43 million player option and intends to sign a three-year, $119 million contract with the franchise
- Houston Rockets guard Fred VanVleet intends to sign a two-year, $50 million contract to stay with the franchise, with a player option in 2026-27
- Utah Jazz big man John Collins has exercised his $26.5 million player option for the 2025-26 season
- The Charlotte Hornets are trading center Mark Williams to the Phoenix Suns for Vasilije Micić, the No. 29 pick and a 2029 first-round pick
- Masai Ujiri, Raptors Agree To Part Ways
- Naz Reid, T-Wolves Agree to 5-yr/$125M Extension
- Justin Edwards, Sixers Agree To New Three-Year Contract
- The Chicago Bulls are trading Lonzo Ball to the Cleveland Cavaliers for Isaac Okoro
- Sam Merrill intends to sign a four-year, $38 million contract to stay with the Cleveland Cavaliers
- Davion Mitchell intends to stay with Miami on a 2-yr/$24M contract
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Re: 2025 Offseason Trade and Free Agency Thread (The Fun Never Stops Edition) 

Post#1231 » by hugepatsfan » Sat Jun 28, 2025 4:58 pm

Gant wrote:Gary Washburn:

The Celtics have until Sunday to pick up the option on JD Davison’s contract for 2025-26. Even if the Celtics do keep Davison, his $2.2 million would not become guaranteed until Jan. 10, 2026. Boston could pick up the option and add Davison to a potential trade to fill salary. The Celtics also have until Sunday to make a qualifying offer to two-way swingman Drew Peterson, who should get minutes with the team’s retooling this season. The Celtics also have an open two-way contract, a spot they could fill after summer league or even sooner with an undrafted player.


Really no reason to decline Davison's deal. They could just waive him at any time. And really the only reason to waive him before training camp would be if it's required if some sequence of trades they make triggers a 2nd apron hard cap that they need his money off the books for to go under momentarily. But even so, his salary is the vet min so they'd have to account for eventually accommodating a player at that number to fill out the roster anyway.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Trade and Free Agency Thread (The Fun Never Stops Edition) 

Post#1232 » by Larry_Russell » Sat Jun 28, 2025 5:30 pm

ajones9219 wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:
CelticFaninLBC wrote:Simoms is a good player. Can't just salary dump him.


Sure you can. The Nets can have him tomorrow for a first round pick


He's a borderline all star level player. That would be dumb



Not even close.
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Post#1233 » by jfs1000d » Sat Jun 28, 2025 5:36 pm

flintsky21 wrote:Brad must really, REALLY love Al and Kornet that much. SMH. If they're both signing more than vet mins then Brad would've been better off drafting 2 cost effective bigs with 28 and 32, who could end up being at least as good or better than Kornet.

Brad better get a decent big in return for Simons or we'd be rolling with one of the worst front courts in the league, unless the plan is to embrace the tank.

Here is where this fails. In what planet is the 28th pick going to be better than Kortnet last year? Celtics developed the guy for 4 years to be t him to that point. It would probably take a couple of years to develop a center to be Kornet.

We have to stop overestimating draft position once you are in NBA. Kornet was an UDFA. But, he isn't the player he came into the league as. You can't just replace what Kornet does by any draft pick. To get what he brings would probably be a top 15 pick.


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Re: 2025 Offseason Trade and Free Agency Thread (The Fun Never Stops Edition) 

Post#1234 » by Hal14 » Sat Jun 28, 2025 5:37 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:
ajones9219 wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:
Sure you can. The Nets can have him tomorrow for a first round pick


He's a borderline all star level player. That would be dumb


Simons? Borderline all star? Not even close.

Tyler Herro was an all-star. Simons isn't that far off from him..at least compared to where Simons has peaked so far in his career..Simons also hasn't reached his peak yet - neither has Herro..

CJ McCollum was a borderline all-star in his prime. Simons isn't far off from prime CJ..
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Re: 2025 Offseason Trade and Free Agency Thread (The Fun Never Stops Edition) 

Post#1235 » by jfs1000d » Sat Jun 28, 2025 5:37 pm

Fierce1 wrote:
flintsky21 wrote:Brad must really, REALLY love Al and Kornet that much. SMH. If they're both signing more than vet mins then Brad would've been better off drafting 2 cost effective bigs with 28 and 32, who could end up being at least as good or better than Kornet.

Brad better get a decent big in return for Simons or we'd be rolling with one of the worst front courts in the league, unless the plan is to embrace the tank.

Luke's getting rewarded.

Al should take 3.6m vets minimum.

Luke at 3 yrs 15m or 18m is good enough.

Luke looking at Hauser contract. Mobile rim running big who can protect the rim?


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Re: 2025 Offseason Trade and Free Agency Thread (The Fun Never Stops Edition) 

Post#1236 » by jfs1000d » Sat Jun 28, 2025 5:39 pm

flintsky21 wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:
flintsky21 wrote:Brad must really, REALLY love Al and Kornet that much. SMH. If they're both signing more than vet mins then Brad would've been better off drafting 2 cost effective bigs with 28 and 32, who could end up being at least as good or better than Kornet.

Brad better get a decent big in return for Simons or we'd be rolling with one of the worst front courts in the league, unless the plan is to embrace the tank.

Luke's getting rewarded.

Al should take 3.6m vets minimum.

Luke at 3 yrs 15m or 18m is good enough.

If Luke is getting that then I'd rather give Queta and Tillman a shot.

I like Kornet but he's nothing more than a 20 mpg vet min backup big.

We shouldn't be forgoing the chance to see what we have in a young 20 ppg shooter like Simons just so we can keep Kornet lol

Think like a GM. Simons is a player, but he is a $30M a year player. Luke a 20 mpg backup, which is what the team needs. Simons has to go. Keep Luke .


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Post#1237 » by yeleven11 » Sat Jun 28, 2025 5:41 pm

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What's next for the Celts?

League sources say Boston has been so focused on its accounting that it took an interesting approach with the No. 28 pick.

In considering various prospects to select with that late first-round turn Wednesday night, sources say that the Celtics initially looked for players who would be willing to accept 80% of their rookie scale contract salary, which is the lowest figure first-round picks can be paid.

It's not an uncommon request for teams facing the sort of luxury tax crunch that the Celtics are. New York signed last year's No. 25 pick Pacome Dadiet to a deal that paid 80% of his rookie scale salary before jumping to 120% of the rookie scale in Year 2 through 4. The Knicks managed to operate just below the second apron throughout the 2024-25 season by watching every penny as scrupulously as we've seen any team manage its roster since hard-capping themselves right before the start of the season with the Karl-Anthony Towns trade.

In the end, though, I'm told Boston's eventual selection at No. 28 — Real Madrid guard Hugo González — did not agree to the 80% figure in Year 1.
Speaking of the Knicks: Sources say Boston told at least one rival team that it would have insisted on a "Mikal Bridges-type" package to part with Derrick White, league sources say.

The Celtics have certainly received no shortage of inbound trade calls on both White and Jaylen Brown in recent days, but nothing got serious on either front.

Celtics vice president of basketball operations Mike Zarren addressed the speculation about Brown and White after the second round of the NBA Draft.

If there is any further trade activity to monitor in Boston, league sources say that Anfernee Simons is a possible re-trade candidate after the Celtics acquired the high-scoring guard from Portland in the Holiday deal.

By contrast I haven't heard any credible buzz about Sam Hauser's inclusion in serious trade conversations. The interest would surely be there given Hauser's perimeter prowess and the value contract he holds over the next four years, but the Celtics have largely achieved their financial goals by moving Holiday and Porziņģis. They don't have to trade Hauser. It is also presumed that the Celtics still hope to compete for a playoff spot next season even while Jayson Tatum recovers from a torn Achilles and Hauser figures to be an integral contributor to such aims.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Trade and Free Agency Thread (The Fun Never Stops Edition) 

Post#1238 » by jfs1000d » Sat Jun 28, 2025 5:43 pm

Asian Celtic wrote:Offloading Simons to re-sign an Old Man and a back up C which we can realistically only use after 2 years to contend does not look wise.

This is insane. Simons is on a one year contract. Expiring. Next year doesn't matter. We absolutely will not resign him. What's the point? It is Simons, or Hauser, Horford or Kornet.


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Re: 2025 Offseason Trade and Free Agency Thread (The Fun Never Stops Edition) 

Post#1239 » by brackdan70 » Sat Jun 28, 2025 5:53 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:How about...

MIL gets: Simons

BOS gets: Brook Lopez via S&T

It needs to be a 3 year deal for S&T to be legal, but 3rd year can be non guaranteed. Starting salary has to be $20,178,571 for MIL to be sending out enough salary here to match on Simons and I feel like you can make the salary declining. Let's say $20,178,571 in year 1, $19,821,429 in year 2 and then non guaranteed $20M in year 3. So a 3 year $60M deal that's really only 2 years, $40M.

Addresses the roster imbalance of having no 5s this year. Allows you to keep playing 5-out offense even with Porzingis and potentially Horford gone. Puts you closer to ducking the tax this year. Still keeps you under the tax next year.

We get hard capped at the first Apron right? Is it doable? I haven’t crunched the numbers
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Re: 2025 Offseason Trade and Free Agency Thread (The Fun Never Stops Edition) 

Post#1240 » by redslastlaugh » Sat Jun 28, 2025 5:57 pm

When the Reiensdorf Bulls did this with Marquis Teague it was used in the media to represent the Bulls as a cheap, subserious clown show of an organization.

If a team is serious about winning titles, you need to use the draft to bolster your team by taking the BEST prospect on the board, not the best prospect who sign for less than 120% of scale or 80% of scale or whatever cheapout ask.

yeleven11 wrote:Jake fischer:

League sources say Boston has been so focused on its accounting that it took an interesting approach with the No. 28 pick.

In considering various prospects to select with that late first-round turn Wednesday night, sources say that the Celtics initially looked for players who would be willing to accept 80% of their rookie scale contract salary, which is the lowest figure first-round picks can be paid.

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