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ConstableGeneva wrote:If the owners want to save on tax (probably not get under it), still sell tickets, and make it deep in the playoffs even without Tatum, find creative ways to acquire Giannis (contingent on him wanting to compete for titles in Boston w/ Tatum in his age 32+).
Celts17Pride wrote:ConstableGeneva wrote:If the owners want to save on tax (probably not get under it), still sell tickets, and make it deep in the playoffs even without Tatum, find creative ways to acquire Giannis (contingent on him wanting to compete for titles in Boston w/ Tatum in his age 32+).
Provided Jayson Tatum is still the same player.
ConstableGeneva wrote:Celts17Pride wrote:ConstableGeneva wrote:If the owners want to save on tax (probably not get under it), still sell tickets, and make it deep in the playoffs even without Tatum, find creative ways to acquire Giannis (contingent on him wanting to compete for titles in Boston w/ Tatum in his age 32+).
Provided Jayson Tatum is still the same player.
Then we're back to trading JB for a crystal ball.
Celts17Pride wrote:ConstableGeneva wrote:Celts17Pride wrote:Provided Jayson Tatum is still the same player.
Then we're back to trading JB for a crystal ball.
I'm just hoping JT comes back to being himself regardless if they trade Jaylen Brown or not. Nothing is a guarantee with achilles injuries.
ESI: When you look at the Celtics and Jayson Tatum going down, does that greatly impact their championship ability next year?
Dominique Wilkins: “Yeah, it definitely does. And what people don’t realize is, with an Achilles tendon tear, you don’t just come back from that in 5, 6, 7 months. Technology is different from when I tore mine, but I don’t care how much technology is out there. You can have all the best technology to repair that injury, but it’s the work you put in afterward that’s going to determine how quickly you get back.
“They have everything at their disposal, as far as workout facilities and new-age medicine, workout equipment to get themselves back quicker. But you still need to do the work. Tatum is a guy who loves the game, so there is no doubt in my mind he will put in the work he needs to put in to get back. But it’s going to take him at least a year (to feel 100%). That’s a fact.”
“It’s going to take him awhile, and it’s definitely going to affect that team, because he is the guy. If I can give him any information to help him with that, if he does a lot of water therapy and a lot of individual workouts to get his range of motion back – he’s got to learn how to walk again. The mobility and the stretching will help him get back quicker, as well as getting the calf stronger, because when you tear that Achilles tendon, you lose some muscle mass in that leg. You’ve got to try to stay ahead of the game, but don’t come back too fast.”
ESI: What year did you tear yours, and how long did it feel until you were 100% back?
Dominique Wilkins: “It was (January) of 1992 and I was 32 at the time. I worked twice a day, every day, for nine months, because I heard all the critics. ‘Oh, at that age there is no way he will come back and be the same.’ So I was like, I’ll show them that I can come back and be better than ever. I remember people giving me a sarcastic pat on the back like, ‘OK, good luck.’
“All those negative articles I saw, I put them on my workout wall, and I got back to training at a level that I don’t think I ever trained at. My first game back I had 30. I remember looking at my teammate and saying, ‘Dammit, I’m back.’ And I averaged almost 30 points per game (in 1992-93) and had my best all-around season. That was so satisfying, and I was so proud of myself for all the work I put in.”
Gant wrote:There's right next to no way the Celtics get Giannis. They'd be way outbid before the auction started.
Unrelated, here's Dominque, the rare guy who thrived after an Achilles tear, on Tatum:ESI: When you look at the Celtics and Jayson Tatum going down, does that greatly impact their championship ability next year?
Dominique Wilkins: “Yeah, it definitely does. And what people don’t realize is, with an Achilles tendon tear, you don’t just come back from that in 5, 6, 7 months. Technology is different from when I tore mine, but I don’t care how much technology is out there. You can have all the best technology to repair that injury, but it’s the work you put in afterward that’s going to determine how quickly you get back.
“They have everything at their disposal, as far as workout facilities and new-age medicine, workout equipment to get themselves back quicker. But you still need to do the work. Tatum is a guy who loves the game, so there is no doubt in my mind he will put in the work he needs to put in to get back. But it’s going to take him at least a year (to feel 100%). That’s a fact.”
“It’s going to take him awhile, and it’s definitely going to affect that team, because he is the guy. If I can give him any information to help him with that, if he does a lot of water therapy and a lot of individual workouts to get his range of motion back – he’s got to learn how to walk again. The mobility and the stretching will help him get back quicker, as well as getting the calf stronger, because when you tear that Achilles tendon, you lose some muscle mass in that leg. You’ve got to try to stay ahead of the game, but don’t come back too fast.”
ESI: What year did you tear yours, and how long did it feel until you were 100% back?
Dominique Wilkins: “It was (January) of 1992 and I was 32 at the time. I worked twice a day, every day, for nine months, because I heard all the critics. ‘Oh, at that age there is no way he will come back and be the same.’ So I was like, I’ll show them that I can come back and be better than ever. I remember people giving me a sarcastic pat on the back like, ‘OK, good luck.’
“All those negative articles I saw, I put them on my workout wall, and I got back to training at a level that I don’t think I ever trained at. My first game back I had 30. I remember looking at my teammate and saying, ‘Dammit, I’m back.’ And I averaged almost 30 points per game (in 1992-93) and had my best all-around season. That was so satisfying, and I was so proud of myself for all the work I put in.”
https://esportsinsider.com/2025/05/dominique-wilkins-exclusive-interview-nba2k
yeleven11 wrote:fallguy wrote:The core of a Giannis deal would ideally be:
JB to NO
Giannis to BOS
Young players and picks to MIL (including their own picks back from NO)
I’ve floated this one but an extended one that includes KP because 1) celtics need to get under 2nd apron because Giannis makes more than JB so any type of aggregation means youre hardcapped at the 2nd apron and 2) if NO keeps Zion, they need a stretch 5.
How far can White-Holiday-Hauser-Giannis-Horford
With pritchard, kornet, and one of baylor/walsh being the 8th man go next year? Assuming jt isn’t back
yeleven11 wrote:fallguy wrote:The core of a Giannis deal would ideally be:
JB to NO
Giannis to BOS
Young players and picks to MIL (including their own picks back from NO)
I’ve floated this one but an extended one that includes KP because 1) celtics need to get under 2nd apron because Giannis makes more than JB so any type of aggregation means youre hardcapped at the 2nd apron and 2) if NO keeps Zion, they need a stretch 5.
How far can White-Holiday-Hauser-Giannis-Horford
With pritchard, kornet, and one of baylor/walsh being the 8th man go next year? Assuming jt isn’t back
SparringPartner wrote:This is a complicated trade!
Dallas moves down to number two and drafts Dillon Harper, dumps Kyrie and his injury, adds Derek White an All-Star level player, Allen who is an much more physical center who plays more to AD’s pace, and Smart (great 6th man) who’s on an expiring contract.
Washington basically moves the #6 for a 25 year-old all-Star point guard on a long-term contract.
Cleveland adds Holiday who is a perfect back court mate with Mitchell, and move on from a big physical center to a true rim runner and saves money for Mitchel’ls extension.
The Spurs add a young superstar in his prime and pay the price, but also add a dynamic shooter and utility man Bey. Plus add a rim running center to the mix.
Boston blows it up. Completely reshapes their financial situation, while adding the great white hope, a 24-year-old shooter on a good contract. I would draft Flagg’s center from Duke with the six pack. If possible, go full tank mode next year and have a top five pick in a strong draft. Trade that pick for whatever the team needs.
When Tatum returns we start the next window for a championship.
yeleven11 wrote:Any type of JB trade is tough because we’re not in a full rebuild.
A JB trade has to either: 1) bring back a better player (tough to do), 2) bring back a younger player that’s worse than JB but might be on a similar level by the time JT comes back, or 3) a bunch of non-player assets that you think you can flip later for a guy that fits the criteria for 1 or 2.
1 is obviously hard because why would a team give up a better player to take JB who’s a vet? Those teams usually trade their “better than jb” guy for a rebuilding package if they decide to trade their guy. Is there a 3 team trade possible? Maybe but hard to keep that under wraps.
2) Who’s the team giving up the younger player that can be as good or better than JB in two years? This scenario is only feasible if the celtics are higher on that younger player than the team that he currently plays for.
3) Getting draft assets for JB and waiting for the right trade candidate to come up sounds nice but there’s no guarantee someone worth that becomes available before JT returns. There’s a risk that JT comes back to play with no JB and a bunch of “assets” and you might burn another contention year
UHar_Vinnie wrote:If you don't lean forward while hugging a dude, you are gonna have a wiener touching incident. You know this.
cl2117 wrote:I struggle to imagine the C's don't get outbid for Giannis. Bucks are only trading him if he asks out and at that stage there isn't much reason for the Bucks to not go straight to full tear-down. That's not the type of package that the C's would be offering if it's headlined by Brown et al., which is more of a "stay competitive" type offer.
The logical trade to me would be a Tatum/Giannis swap but the Bucks don't control their own pick in 2026 thanks to a swap owned by the Pelicans, which makes it less palatable for them. If they did they could take a year off and come back with a healthy Tatum/Dame and top 5 pick. C's on the other hand keep their foot on the gas and give Giannis the best roster he's ever had in his entire career. Swap a couple years of longevity for health.
There's just no circumstance I can work out where the Pelicans give up that pick without expecting a massive pay-off since the trade is predicated on the idea that Giannis has asked out so Bucks are highly likely lotto team and most likely a basement dweller. Bucks are short on assets which would have C's footing the majority of that bill and then it becomes Tatum++ for Giannis and I lose interest. Maybe if the Bucks were willing to fork over all their future draft capital for a roll of the dice on the 2026 tank, which honestly isn't that crazy of an idea if you're also getting Tatum, but again feels unlikely.
Maybe there's a world in which Bucks decide to take a Tatum/Giannis swap anyway because it's just one down year and then they have a franchise cornerstone coming back, something rebuilding packages can only hope to one day become, and I'd take that swap if they were up for it. It'd pain me but I'd take it.
Jrue/Pritchard/ Davison
White/ Walker/ #32
Brown/ Hauser / Scheierman
Giannis/ Walsh / #28
KP/ Horford/ Queta/ Luke?
That's the best team Giannis has ever had. The defense and the shooting around him would be phenomenal. His ability to take it to the basket in crunch time would get us out of our iso funk. Either he's getting doubled and shooters are open or you've got Giannis with a defender on an island.
The more I think about it the more I think the Bucks could talk themselves into it if they had no other choice and Giannis wants out. The Tatum injury is tough to gauge but if he does come back 100% it's the best value you're going to get straight up for Giannis. You can go with some picks and high upside guys but there is no guarantee they become Tatum who is just on the outside looking in at the MVP race perennially. I know the Luka trade is an aberration but it does remind you that crazier things have happened.