The (Where Ainges Fear to) Trade Thread, 2016-17 (1.0)

[cl2117]

If the Clippers made Blake Griffin available, which draft picks would Boston add to an Avery Bradley/Amir Johnson for Blake Griffin swap? The 2017 Brooklyn Nets pick seems necessary, would you add a non-Brooklyn 2018 first and the Clippers own 2019 pick returned?

May be too risky, but if the Clippers have made Blake Griffin available, I think I'm waiting until the summer to make a hard pitch for him in free agency. Max money from a playoff team that fits you really well and OKC out of the running (presumably the Clippers as well if they are putting him on the block)?

I think we would have a really good chance at him without giving up any assets. If you're talking about Bradley/Johnson/BKN 2017 plus LAC 2019 returned and another one or potentially nothing but cap space, I think I'm rolling the dice on that.

Yes it comes with the risk that another team trades for him and convinces him to stay or that he goes into FA and chooses someone else, but I'd rather go big and hope that I can add Blake to the C's along with the BKN 2017 and Bradley rather than trading the latter for the former.

[Zaschrona]

I want to keep salary flexibility this year unless a big NBA star become available for a reasonable price and that is quite unlikely. It looks like West is going to be all about GSW vs SAS. East looking more open. Cleveland and then there is not a true contender. Toronto and we are the closest team. There is every chance we get one of Blake Griffin, Gordon Hayward or Chris Paul next summer. I can't see Clippers or Utah making a real break-out this year. And there are not too many contenders to get one of these guys currently. Indiana, maybe OKC, Utah, NO, Knicks, Minnesota, Sacramento, Houston? There is every chance we are getting a star player for only cap space in this comibg FA, I can't see any of these teams being more attractive than us. I think Ainge has quite a similar view as well.

So, only players that I would try to target are pending RFAs who we can extend to a big contract after we sign a top guy so it works financially. Noel, KCP, Mirotic, Bogdanovic, Lauvergne, Len, McDaniels, Mason Plumlee, McLemore, Gobert, Porter are RFAs at least worth considering trading for.

Bogdanovic and maybe McLemore could be decent targets for our need for SG. Noel, Len or maybe Lauvergne could be decent and realistic targets for us too. Or players still on rookie contracts for years coming. WCS, Okafor.

[The Rebel]

What about Nurkic. I don't recall anyone mentioning him. He is young mobile center, great at pick'n'roll, but most importantly, he is great rebounder and good enough rim protector. I think he has another year of it's rookie contract. I know he is young, not so athletic, and Denver won't let him go easily at all, but it would be a heck of a deal imo. Although he seems like a half court player i think he could adjust to our system. Only problem here would be price, imo.

A bit of a defensive liability. I don't think Denver's even playing him in 4th quarters when everyone goes small. Both he and Jokic are on salaries well below their net worth, so it would take giving up a ton for Denver to part with one of them.

Sorry but you have no clue what you are talking about, Nurkic is an outstanding defensive player, he and Jokic have not played 4th quarters due to Malone insisting on playing small in the 4th, which has cost the Nuggets both of their losses.

Most Nuggets fans are split on who their player is so far this year between gallo, jokic, and Nurkic. The only way I see Nurkic leaving is in a trade for a superstar.

[reload141]

What about Nurkic. I don't recall anyone mentioning him. He is young mobile center, great at pick'n'roll, but most importantly, he is great rebounder and good enough rim protector. I think he has another year of it's rookie contract. I know he is young, not so athletic, and Denver won't let him go easily at all, but it would be a heck of a deal imo. Although he seems like a half court player i think he could adjust to our system. Only problem here would be price, imo.

A bit of a defensive liability. I don't think Denver's even playing him in 4th quarters when everyone goes small. Both he and Jokic are on salaries well below their net worth, so it would take giving up a ton for Denver to part with one of them.

Sorry but you have no clue what you are talking about, Nurkic is an outstanding defensive player, he and Jokic have not played 4th quarters due to Malone insisting on playing small in the 4th, which has cost the Nuggets both of their losses.

Most Nuggets fans are split on who their player is so far this year between gallo, jokic, and Nurkic. The only way I see Nurkic leaving is in a trade for a superstar.

Time to start up Gallo trades again?? Or should we aim for another month or two?

[CJLogan]

What about Nurkic. I don't recall anyone mentioning him. He is young mobile center, great at pick'n'roll, but most importantly, he is great rebounder and good enough rim protector. I think he has another year of it's rookie contract. I know he is young, not so athletic, and Denver won't let him go easily at all, but it would be a heck of a deal imo. Although he seems like a half court player i think he could adjust to our system. Only problem here would be price, imo.

A bit of a defensive liability. I don't think Denver's even playing him in 4th quarters when everyone goes small. Both he and Jokic are on salaries well below their net worth, so it would take giving up a ton for Denver to part with one of them.

Sorry but you have no clue what you are talking about, Nurkic is an outstanding defensive player, he and Jokic have not played 4th quarters due to Malone insisting on playing small in the 4th, which has cost the Nuggets both of their losses.

Most Nuggets fans are split on who their player is so far this year between gallo, jokic, and Nurkic. The only way I see Nurkic leaving is in a trade for a superstar.

I've been really impressed with Nurkic this year. I kind of thought this was gonna be Jokic's year to make a huge jump, but Nurkic has been beast.

[Writebloc]

What about Nurkic. I don't recall anyone mentioning him. He is young mobile center, great at pick'n'roll, but most importantly, he is great rebounder and good enough rim protector. I think he has another year of it's rookie contract. I know he is young, not so athletic, and Denver won't let him go easily at all, but it would be a heck of a deal imo. Although he seems like a half court player i think he could adjust to our system. Only problem here would be price, imo.

A bit of a defensive liability. I don't think Denver's even playing him in 4th quarters when everyone goes small. Both he and Jokic are on salaries well below their net worth, so it would take giving up a ton for Denver to part with one of them.

Sorry but you have no clue what you are talking about, Nurkic is an outstanding defensive player, he and Jokic have not played 4th quarters due to Malone insisting on playing small in the 4th, which has cost the Nuggets both of their losses.

Most Nuggets fans are split on who their player is so far this year between gallo, jokic, and Nurkic. The only way I see Nurkic leaving is in a trade for a superstar.

More thin skinned Nuggets fans lurking on a board that actually has activity. What do you guys do take the three active posters you have and assign trade sentries to deny any discussion of Nugget players? If you read in bold Green89 actually writes "a ton...", you'd think the Nuggets have been to the finals for the last three years with the way the fans over value their talent, no the team has been lottery bound and will likely continue. Both Nurkic and Jokic are nice players, but if you think their value is a superstar in return your toking the good stuff out in Denver. To get a superstar the Nuggets are going to have to package Nurkic up with other assets, no way will that be a straight up deal. Get realistic.

Besides the Nuggets are never trading Gallo because he refuses to be traded, he's likely going to be signed to a huge new contract in Denver because he loves the city and team so much. This much has been documented. The Nuggets have been trying to trade Faried forever, but not one team wants him. Chandler is constantly injured so his value is depressed. The only players that have value are Nurkic and Jokic and if the team is only looking to trade them for superstars Denver better be ready to pony up a package because either one alone won't get it done.

[Marvel]

I love both Nurkic and Jokic but they aren't returning a superstar in any trade unless they're packaged with another young star talent or 2 and draft picks, get real.

[Green89]

What about Nurkic. I don't recall anyone mentioning him. He is young mobile center, great at pick'n'roll, but most importantly, he is great rebounder and good enough rim protector. I think he has another year of it's rookie contract. I know he is young, not so athletic, and Denver won't let him go easily at all, but it would be a heck of a deal imo. Although he seems like a half court player i think he could adjust to our system. Only problem here would be price, imo.

A bit of a defensive liability. I don't think Denver's even playing him in 4th quarters when everyone goes small. Both he and Jokic are on salaries well below their net worth, so it would take giving up a ton for Denver to part with one of them.

Sorry but you have no clue what you are talking about, Nurkic is an outstanding defensive player, he and Jokic have not played 4th quarters due to Malone insisting on playing small in the 4th, which has cost the Nuggets both of their losses.

Most Nuggets fans are split on who their player is so far this year between gallo, jokic, and Nurkic. The only way I see Nurkic leaving is in a trade for a superstar.

Love posters who know more than their coach. There's a reason he's not in there to end the games. I'm sure if you were coaching, they'd be 3-0, right? I said defensive liability because I don't care how good a defensive juggernaut he is when teams are not going small, but to end games, he does not have the quickness to stay with smaller players, hence, he's a defensive liability. Didn't he sit out the entire 4th quarters in 1 or 2 games so far? Not just the final minutes.

[Captain_Caveman]

Nuggets a 30-win dynasty, according to their RealGM fans.

[galipeautim]

A bit of a defensive liability. I don't think Denver's even playing him in 4th quarters when everyone goes small. Both he and Jokic are on salaries well below their net worth, so it would take giving up a ton for Denver to part with one of them.

Sorry but you have no clue what you are talking about, Nurkic is an outstanding defensive player, he and Jokic have not played 4th quarters due to Malone insisting on playing small in the 4th, which has cost the Nuggets both of their losses.

Most Nuggets fans are split on who their player is so far this year between gallo, jokic, and Nurkic. The only way I see Nurkic leaving is in a trade for a superstar.

I've been really impressed with Nurkic this year. I kind of thought this was gonna be Jokic's year to make a huge jump, but Nurkic has been beast.

Nurkic was a beast two years ago, which is the last time he was healthy. If he can stay healthy (very doubtful) he can be a top 5 center in this league. Not sure he would fit at all with our players (don't think any natural center would), but there was a ton of hype for Nurkic before last year's injuries and Jokic came along.

[Andrew McCeltic]

What about Nurkic. I don't recall anyone mentioning him. He is young mobile center, great at pick'n'roll, but most importantly, he is great rebounder and good enough rim protector. I think he has another year of it's rookie contract. I know he is young, not so athletic, and Denver won't let him go easily at all, but it would be a heck of a deal imo. Although he seems like a half court player i think he could adjust to our system. Only problem here would be price, imo.

A bit of a defensive liability. I don't think Denver's even playing him in 4th quarters when everyone goes small. Both he and Jokic are on salaries well below their net worth, so it would take giving up a ton for Denver to part with one of them.

Sorry but you have no clue what you are talking about, Nurkic is an outstanding defensive player, he and Jokic have not played 4th quarters due to Malone insisting on playing small in the 4th, which has cost the Nuggets both of their losses.

Most Nuggets fans are split on who their player is so far this year between gallo, jokic, and Nurkic. The only way I see Nurkic leaving is in a trade for a superstar.

Interesting.. Or he could be a slightly better Mozgov/Koufos type.

Jokic was amazing last year, now it looks like he's struggling playing alongside Nurkic, who's healthy. And yeah, Nurkic had great defensive stats his rookie year, now he's beasting on the boards. Not much of a scorer right now. Sort of a turbo-charged Vitaly Potapenko.

I'm really really worried Ainge is going to trade for Lamarcus Aldridge. Like, Rozier/Jaylen/BKN 18/Amir. Horrible. We win 55-60, give the Cavs a fight in the conference finals, but a bad, bad move.

[SMTBSI]

Wizards in a 0-3 hole to start, with ATL, HOU, BOS, CLE, CHI as five of their next six. If it gets out of control over there, could see Gortat becoming available.

Three years left on his deal, but, at the money he's making the next two (12.8, 13.6) I have to image you could give him away pretty easily if we did need max cap space after all. So, relatively low risk of screwing up our plans there.

Rebounds; consistently grades positively in DBPM; played 81-82-75 games the past three seasons, always around 30mpg.

[The Rebel]

More thin skinned Nuggets fans lurking on a board that actually has activity. What do you guys do take the three active posters you have and assign trade sentries to deny any discussion of Nugget players? If you read in bold Green89 actually writes "a ton...", you'd think the Nuggets have been to the finals for the last three years with the way the fans over value their talent, no the team has been lottery bound and will likely continue. Both Nurkic and Jokic are nice players, but if you think their value is a superstar in return your toking the good stuff out in Denver. To get a superstar the Nuggets are going to have to package Nurkic up with other assets, no way will that be a straight up deal. Get realistic.

Besides the Nuggets are never trading Gallo because he refuses to be traded, he's likely going to be signed to a huge new contract in Denver because he loves the city and team so much. This much has been documented. The Nuggets have been trying to trade Faried forever, but not one team wants him. Chandler is constantly injured so his value is depressed. The only players that have value are Nurkic and Jokic and if the team is only looking to trade them for superstars Denver better be ready to pony up a package because either one alone won't get it done.

I will ignore the attacks on the Nuggets fans, as people can tell who got upset and started attacking people.

It has been widely reported that the Nuggets turned down multiple offers for gallo and Arthur at the trade deadline, and as for shopping Faried who cares, but if you are thinking that the young players on the Nuggets do not have trade value than you are fooling yourself.

Sorry but you have no clue what you are talking about, Nurkic is an outstanding defensive player, he and Jokic have not played 4th quarters due to Malone insisting on playing small in the 4th, which has cost the Nuggets both of their losses.

Most Nuggets fans are split on who their player is so far this year between gallo, jokic, and Nurkic. The only way I see Nurkic leaving is in a trade for a superstar.

Love posters who know more than their coach. There's a reason he's not in there to end the games. I'm sure if you were coaching, they'd be 3-0, right? I said defensive liability because I don't care how good a defensive juggernaut he is when teams are not going small, but to end games, he does not have the quickness to stay with smaller players, hence, he's a defensive liability. Didn't he sit out the entire 4th quarters in 1 or 2 games so far? Not just the final minutes.

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Yep Nuggets fans know less than a random poster on the internet who attacks without any clue of the facts.

Nuggets a 30-win dynasty, according to their RealGM fans.

Cause it is realistic to expect a team starting 4 guys who are 21 years old or younger to win the championship? Remember a couple of years ago when the Celtics made the playoffs and everybody was talking about how young they were? They had 1 guy in their rotation who was younger than 23 years old. It takes time and experience for young teams to learn how to win, but discounting their talent because a young team while ignoring the facts just shows a lack of BBIQ.

[The Rebel]

Sorry but you have no clue what you are talking about, Nurkic is an outstanding defensive player, he and Jokic have not played 4th quarters due to Malone insisting on playing small in the 4th, which has cost the Nuggets both of their losses.

Most Nuggets fans are split on who their player is so far this year between gallo, jokic, and Nurkic. The only way I see Nurkic leaving is in a trade for a superstar.

Interesting.. Or he could be a slightly better Mozgov/Koufos type.

Jokic was amazing last year, now it looks like he's struggling playing alongside Nurkic, who's healthy. And yeah, Nurkic had great defensive stats his rookie year, now he's beasting on the boards. Not much of a scorer right now. Sort of a turbo-charged Vitaly Potapenko.

I'm really really worried Ainge is going to trade for Lamarcus Aldridge. Like, Rozier/Jaylen/BKN 18/Amir. Horrible. We win 55-60, give the Cavs a fight in the conference finals, but a bad, bad move.

Nurkic is considerably more talented than either Mozgov or Koufos, it is not even close when discussing physical talent, Nurkic's problems last year were directly related to his injury and coming back too early and out of shape. He does struggle to finish at times on offense, but that is from him trying to go to fast and not taking his time, which is a correctable mistake and is getting better even now.

Jokic is trying to play PF, as reality is when you have 2 guys who are arguably your 2 best players that play the same position one is going to have to play out of position. He struggles trying to guard the smaller PFs around the league right now, and our offense is a mess with little ball movement and too much one on one play. I said last year and I have said this year that while I think both guys are long term all star caliber players I think Nurkic has the physical tools to be the better player but they will both be great.

I fear the Nuggets will end up having to trade one of them, and it will end up being Nurkic due to the hype surrounding Jokic, but it does not appear that they have accepted that as of yet and are in no hurry to move either one.

[cl2117]

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What's the deal with Faried? I don't think the C's would actually be interested, but he does come to mind when I think about guys who could pair with Horford and help address our rebounding woes.

He doesn't seem to be a big part of your future and I saw a report, I think from Steve Kyler, that he could find his way onto the trading block if he loses his starting spot.

What kind of value would you be looking to get back for him? You guys are in a weird spot directionally, can't put my finger on what would make sense for you in general for a trade like that.

[BigTrade92]

Tyson Chandler seems like the most obvious and logical trade target.

[Celts17Pride]

Tyson Chandler seems like the most obvious and logical trade target.

Ainge wouldn't give Olynyk a contract extension and he wouldn't pick up James Young's option in part because he didn't want to compromise needs years cap space. Celtics have room for a max player.

Ainge certainly isn't going to waste next year's cap space on Tyson Chandler

[BakersDozen]

If we can get Faried on the cheap id be all for it.


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[Writebloc]

More thin skinned Nuggets fans lurking on a board that actually has activity. What do you guys do take the three active posters you have and assign trade sentries to deny any discussion of Nugget players? If you read in bold Green89 actually writes "a ton...", you'd think the Nuggets have been to the finals for the last three years with the way the fans over value their talent, no the team has been lottery bound and will likely continue. Both Nurkic and Jokic are nice players, but if you think their value is a superstar in return your toking the good stuff out in Denver. To get a superstar the Nuggets are going to have to package Nurkic up with other assets, no way will that be a straight up deal. Get realistic.

Besides the Nuggets are never trading Gallo because he refuses to be traded, he's likely going to be signed to a huge new contract in Denver because he loves the city and team so much. This much has been documented. The Nuggets have been trying to trade Faried forever, but not one team wants him. Chandler is constantly injured so his value is depressed. The only players that have value are Nurkic and Jokic and if the team is only looking to trade them for superstars Denver better be ready to pony up a package because either one alone won't get it done.

I will ignore the attacks on the Nuggets fans, as people can tell who got upset and started attacking people.

It has been widely reported that the Nuggets turned down multiple offers for gallo and Arthur at the trade deadline, and as for shopping Faried who cares, but if you are thinking that the young players on the Nuggets do not have trade value than you are fooling yourself.

Sorry but you have no clue what you are talking about, Nurkic is an outstanding defensive player, he and Jokic have not played 4th quarters due to Malone insisting on playing small in the 4th, which has cost the Nuggets both of their losses.

Most Nuggets fans are split on who their player is so far this year between gallo, jokic, and Nurkic. The only way I see Nurkic leaving is in a trade for a superstar.

Love posters who know more than their coach. There's a reason he's not in there to end the games. I'm sure if you were coaching, they'd be 3-0, right? I said defensive liability because I don't care how good a defensive juggernaut he is when teams are not going small, but to end games, he does not have the quickness to stay with smaller players, hence, he's a defensive liability. Didn't he sit out the entire 4th quarters in 1 or 2 games so far? Not just the final minutes.

Read on Twitter

Yep Nuggets fans know less than a random poster on the internet who attacks without any clue of the facts.

Nuggets a 30-win dynasty, according to their RealGM fans.

Cause it is realistic to expect a team starting 4 guys who are 21 years old or younger to win the championship? Remember a couple of years ago when the Celtics made the playoffs and everybody was talking about how young they were? They had 1 guy in their rotation who was younger than 23 years old. It takes time and experience for young teams to learn how to win, but discounting their talent because a young team while ignoring the facts just shows a lack of BBIQ.

When you start off your post: "Sorry but you have no clue what you are talking about" on another board's discussion that would be the instant that you attacked a poster. Sorry, but you are the defensive one on the offensive here, you just got the response you engendered.

Again you skip over the clear written part where everyone on the Celtics' trade board has acknowledged that both Nurkic and Jokic have value, the shame of the situation is that you believe that your team is getting a haul back of a superstar for either of them. It isn't going to happen. The worst trade that happened for the fans of the Denver franchise was the Mosgov trade. Because Lebron and the Cavs were desperate they gave up the King's ransom to acquire him, now Nugget fans have a distorted view of what their players are worth going forward.

Going forward the only reason Denver turned down offers for Gallo last year is because Gallo didn't want to be traded, not because Denver didn't want to part with him. So instead of trading him away, the Nuggets shut him down to increase their tanking odds, nice work it worked the Nuggets were able to draft another good young player in Jamal Murray, but don't play Pollyanna and believe that Nuggets turned down offers for Gallo because their wasn't enough value offered. That's why Denver will likely resign Gallo to a hometown discount contract, they're too far down the road with Danilo, he won't be traded this season either.

Regarding Nugget fans knowing more than a "random poster," Dude, you are the random poster on the Celtics' board, not vice versa. People over on your Denver board might fawn all over you for your insightful coaching tutoring from behind your keyboard, but from our point of view, you're just another arm chair clipboard holder drawing up your imaginary x's and o's.

Every single one of your rebuttals unfortunately display your shocking lack of BBIQ, please continue to lurk on the Celtics' board, because it receives more traffic in an hour span than your's does in a week. Maybe you will be able to increase your IQ, basketball or otherwise.

[Curmudgeon]

I expect that Nurkic will be traded only if the other team also takes Faried. But I don't see that happening until next year at the earliest, when Nurkic is on the cusp of free agency and Faried's contract will be set to expire the year after that.

Until then they will muddle along as a late lottery team while trying to develop their young talent and clear cap for a blue chip free agent or two.