Omer Asik Trade - Updated link pg.109

[SuperDeluxe]

WHAT!!! Just hit my 500th post!!!!

And it only took you 10 years

[Fidel Sarcasmo]

WHAT!!! Just hit my 500th post!!!!

And it only took you 10 years

I like to watch.

[000078ude54]

Ha! Just as I suspected... it's all MOREY.

This dude is acting like he's trading Dwight instead of Omer Asik. Repeat, OMER ASIK.

Hilarious. "Yeah, we'll wait for a better deal 2 months from now. Waiting can't hurt."

Wrong, you're erasing what value Asik has left and running with one less valuable player on your roster, all while making this whole season about Omer's hissy fit.

Houston has the GM it deserves. Guess dude learned nothing while he was in Boston.

[Valid]

this really sucks. people are actually valuing 2 role players and 1 draft pick over what the celtics need most? ugh. would've been a fantastic trade for the c's. if i was the rockets gm i wouldn't do it either unless it was a 2014 unprotected pick.

Asik is a better rebounding version of Kendrick Perkins. No thanks.





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Asik is a MUCH better rebounding version of Perkins. He also has better hands than Perk, which isn't saying much, since Perk has the worst hands I have ever seen.

Yeah. 4.1 more rebounds per game is a pretty significant difference. Do the math. That's over 320 more rebounds and possessions created over the course of an 82-game season.

[Celtic Esquire]

this really sucks. people are actually valuing 2 role players and 1 draft pick over what the celtics need most? ugh. would've been a fantastic trade for the c's. if i was the rockets gm i wouldn't do it either unless it was a 2014 unprotected pick.

Asik is a better rebounding version of Kendrick Perkins. No thanks.





Full link to stats:

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A better version of Perk at his best? How is that bad?

It's bad when we are giving up two rotation players plus a #1 pick (possibly a 2014 pick according to reports) for a better rebounding version of Perkins.

[SuperDeluxe]

I don't understand this demeaning of Morey. The guy is just doing the job he gets the big bucks for. He's not there to please fans of other teams, he's there to make the Rockets a better team. Judging by his track record, I'd say he's doing pretty well.

[ryaningf]

Deal always seemed too good to be true from the Cs perspective....people complaining that bass + lee + 1st rounder is too much for Asik, hey, I'm a homer too but let's be realistic Danny would have traded them 6 months ago if he could have found takers.

That would've been selling low, as they were both sucking badly last year. This year they are both playing pretty well, to the point that I wouldn't mind keeping them. The fairness of the deal after the addition of a mid-first-round pick would depend on how the drafted player turns out to be. Is that player a Jared Sullinger/Rajon Rondo type? Or is he a Gerald Green/Marcus Banks type? Would you do Bass/Lee/Sullinger for Asik?

"Selling low"? Ha. More like paying someone to take out your trash. That's how depressed their value had become, you would have had to attach picks to make somebody take control of their contracts. 6 months later we almost trade them for a much better player? God, count your blessings and jump all over that. People crying over the loss of these 2 guys (both stand up individuals but severely limited basketball players) is pretty comical IMO.

Both are playing well this year. Congrats to them. Frankly, I see that as a function of Stevens' system and them having opportunities to do things they wouldn't have gotten to do with Paul and KG around. Same guys, better system and coach, and they're getting the opportunities but it doesn't mean they're actually better players or that I'd lose sleep over trading them. Hump and Brooks suck too but I'm pretty sure they'd look just as good with the minutes and confidence of Brad.

The issue of the 1st rounder is the only actual negotiation point because it's the only thing of VALUE that we'd be giving up in the proposed deal. If it wasn't the Clip pick (looking to 20 or higher) or a heavily protected Celtic first rounder in 2016 or beyond, I would have walked away. I agree with you that you think long and hard about giving up first rounders.

[Valid]

Asik is a better rebounding version of Kendrick Perkins. No thanks.





Full link to stats:

http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/8370/ckm2.png

http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/5904/ng0l.png

A better version of Perk at his best? How is that bad?

It's bad when we are giving up two rotation players plus a #1 pick (possibly a 2014 pick according to reports) for a better rebounding version of Perkins.

I don't think any reports said Ainge was willing to part with a '14 pick. That's what Houston wanted, but Ainge was holding firm on the Clippers pick.

[Valid]

Deal always seemed too good to be true from the Cs perspective....people complaining that bass + lee + 1st rounder is too much for Asik, hey, I'm a homer too but let's be realistic Danny would have traded them 6 months ago if he could have found takers.

That would've been selling low, as they were both sucking badly last year. This year they are both playing pretty well, to the point that I wouldn't mind keeping them. The fairness of the deal after the addition of a mid-first-round pick would depend on how the drafted player turns out to be. Is that player a Jared Sullinger/Rajon Rondo type? Or is he a Gerald Green/Marcus Banks type? Would you do Bass/Lee/Sullinger for Asik?

"Selling low"? Ha. More like paying someone to take out your trash. That's how depressed their value had become, you would have had to attach picks to make somebody take control of their contracts. 6 months later we almost trade them for a much better player? God, count your blessings and jump all over that. People crying over the loss of these 2 guys (both stand up individuals but severely limited basketball players) is pretty comical IMO.

Both are playing well this year. Congrats to them. Frankly, I see that as a function of Stevens' system and them having opportunities to do things they wouldn't have gotten to do with Paul and KG around. Same guys, better system and coach, and they're getting the opportunities but it doesn't mean they're actually better players or that I'd lose sleep over trading them. Hump and Brooks suck too but I'm pretty sure they'd look just as good with the minutes and confidence of Brad.

The issue of the 1st rounder is the only actual negotiation point because it's the only thing of VALUE that we'd be giving up in the proposed deal. If it wasn't the Clip pick (looking to 20 or higher) or a heavily protected Celtic first rounder in 2016 or beyond, I would have walked away. I agree with you that you think long and hard about giving up first rounders.

I agree with your overall premise here, but Bass is not just having a career year. He is doing the exact same thing he did in his first two years here. It's just more noticeable this year because KG, PP and Rondo aren't around. If you want to be technical, his efficiency has taken a bit of a dip this year as opposed to last season. Take a look at the numbers.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... sbr01.html

[Captain_Caveman]

Houston gets a rude awakening on Asik's value, which is only going to go down from here.

Every day that passes is one day closer to him being a UFA and makes it more difficult for another team to offset his balloon payment next season. Plus, you know he's not going to take this well, lol. Probably going to become more toxic for them if he goes public with his displeasure, and the whole thing will likely become more of a distraction.

Plus, it hurts their ability to compete this year.

In conclusion...

Let's be more tasteful with the GIFs caveman - Slart

[Fidel Sarcasmo]

Houston gets a rude awakening on Asik's value, which is only going to go down from here.

Every day that passes is one day closer to him being a UFA and makes it more difficult for another team to offset his balloon payment next season. Plus, you know he's not going to take this well, lol. Probably going to become more toxic for them if he goes public with his displeasure, and the whole thing will likely become more of a distraction.

Plus, it hurts their ability to compete this year.

In conclusion...

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OMG is that a city bus driver punching a passenger?

[Banks2Pierce]

this really sucks. people are actually valuing 2 role players and 1 draft pick over what the celtics need most? ugh. would've been a fantastic trade for the c's. if i was the rockets gm i wouldn't do it either unless it was a 2014 unprotected pick.

Asik is a better rebounding version of Kendrick Perkins. No thanks.





Full link to stats:

http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/8370/ckm2.png

http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/5904/ng0l.png

This maybe would be an acceptable post in 2004, but there's much better evaluation techniques now. Perk is not an elite defender or rebounder right now, like Omer is.

[Captain_Caveman]

Can we also be clear that it isn't Houston walking away from the table here, it is everyone else?

Morey tried to get more than a sh-tpile and was never able to. No one blinked.

[Celts17Pride]

Talks end and that's fine with me but it's a pretty weak move by Houston IMO. Golden boy Morey over sold his product right from the get go.

[Slartibartfast]

I have a gut feeling the deal still goes through.

[Celts17Pride]

Morey's problem is he doesn't have an offer.

Bingo!

Asking too much for Asik.

[000078ude54]

I don't understand this demeaning of Morey. The guy is just doing the job he gets the big bucks for. He's not there to please fans of other teams, he's there to make the Rockets a better team. Judging by his track record, I'd say he's doing a pretty well.

Since that comment is for me, I'll just say that my criticism is coming from a basketball logistics standpoint.

Morey's job is to do the best job for the roster on a case by case basis.

In this case, you have a pissed off center who doesn't want to play and is a distraction, giving you absolutely nothing productive.

You can either cut your losses and take 85-95 cents on the dollar now to get functioning players and refocus your season, or you can be an idiot like Morey and chase some white rabbit deal that doesn't exist for a player he overpaid/alienated and get 50-60 cents later.

[ryaningf]

That would've been selling low, as they were both sucking badly last year. This year they are both playing pretty well, to the point that I wouldn't mind keeping them. The fairness of the deal after the addition of a mid-first-round pick would depend on how the drafted player turns out to be. Is that player a Jared Sullinger/Rajon Rondo type? Or is he a Gerald Green/Marcus Banks type? Would you do Bass/Lee/Sullinger for Asik?

"Selling low"? Ha. More like paying someone to take out your trash. That's how depressed their value had become, you would have had to attach picks to make somebody take control of their contracts. 6 months later we almost trade them for a much better player? God, count your blessings and jump all over that. People crying over the loss of these 2 guys (both stand up individuals but severely limited basketball players) is pretty comical IMO.

Both are playing well this year. Congrats to them. Frankly, I see that as a function of Stevens' system and them having opportunities to do things they wouldn't have gotten to do with Paul and KG around. Same guys, better system and coach, and they're getting the opportunities but it doesn't mean they're actually better players or that I'd lose sleep over trading them. Hump and Brooks suck too but I'm pretty sure they'd look just as good with the minutes and confidence of Brad.

The issue of the 1st rounder is the only actual negotiation point because it's the only thing of VALUE that we'd be giving up in the proposed deal. If it wasn't the Clip pick (looking to 20 or higher) or a heavily protected Celtic first rounder in 2016 or beyond, I would have walked away. I agree with you that you think long and hard about giving up first rounders.

I agree with your overall premise here, but Bass is not just having a career year. He is doing the exact same thing he did in his first two years here. It's just more noticeable this year because KG, PP and Rondo aren't around. If you want to be technical, his efficiency has taken a bit of a dip this year as opposed to last season. Take a look at the numbers.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... sbr01.html

Not sure where I said or implied he's having a career year, I just said he's the same player he's always been, just in a better role for him and with more opportunity and responsibility. We're probably saying the same thing. They've definitely given him more post up opportunities and put the ball in his hands in a much bigger decision making role (career high assist %) but yeah same old B Bass.

[Valid]

I have a gut feeling the deal still goes through.

If it doesn't, it's going to be a longgg next couple of months for Morey as he desperately scrambles to find a suitor and ends up trading Asik for a dime on the dollar.

[Valid]

"Selling low"? Ha. More like paying someone to take out your trash. That's how depressed their value had become, you would have had to attach picks to make somebody take control of their contracts. 6 months later we almost trade them for a much better player? God, count your blessings and jump all over that. People crying over the loss of these 2 guys (both stand up individuals but severely limited basketball players) is pretty comical IMO.

Both are playing well this year. Congrats to them. Frankly, I see that as a function of Stevens' system and them having opportunities to do things they wouldn't have gotten to do with Paul and KG around. Same guys, better system and coach, and they're getting the opportunities but it doesn't mean they're actually better players or that I'd lose sleep over trading them. Hump and Brooks suck too but I'm pretty sure they'd look just as good with the minutes and confidence of Brad.

The issue of the 1st rounder is the only actual negotiation point because it's the only thing of VALUE that we'd be giving up in the proposed deal. If it wasn't the Clip pick (looking to 20 or higher) or a heavily protected Celtic first rounder in 2016 or beyond, I would have walked away. I agree with you that you think long and hard about giving up first rounders.

I agree with your overall premise here, but Bass is not just having a career year. He is doing the exact same thing he did in his first two years here. It's just more noticeable this year because KG, PP and Rondo aren't around. If you want to be technical, his efficiency has taken a bit of a dip this year as opposed to last season. Take a look at the numbers.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... sbr01.html

Not sure where I said or implied he's having a career year, I just said he's the same player he's always been, just in a better role for him and with more opportunity and responsibility. We're probably saying the same thing. They've definitely given him more post up opportunities and put the ball in his hands in a much bigger decision making role (career high assist %) but yeah same old B Bass.

Ah. Well in that case, understood. I guess I misinterpreted your "both are playing well this year" line. My bad.