The (Where Ainges Fear to) Trade Thread, 2016-17 (1.0)

[TradeLowry]

I think Boston will regret not trading the BK pick. That pick in the off-season was GOLD! You guys learned in the first game either you aren't as good as you think or BK is better than you thought

BK has vets and will play hard every game. With a great draft coming up, too many teams will tank this season. BK has no reason to tank at all so you're getting their best every night. Last year the draft was crap so no one bothered tanking, but this year is different. BK won't finish with the worst record, probably not even top 5 worst.

You guys could have probably got top 3 value for the BK pick in the summer, I think you'll end up keeping it though and it will fall in the 5-10 range.

REally makes no sense to me why you keep it. You just had to cut a 1st round pick because of roster spots, let Sully just walk without picking up his option. You're losing/wasting assets holding out for trades that aren't happening. With 4 picks next draft, another 4 the year after that...you need to start turning these assets into something real. Or come next off-season you'll be cutting another player on a rookie contract(most valuable contract in NBA by far)

[brackdan70]

I think Boston will regret not trading the BK pick. That pick in the off-season was GOLD! You guys learned in the first game either you aren't as good as you think or BK is better than you thought

BK has vets and will play hard every game. With a great draft coming up, too many teams will tank this season. BK has no reason to tank at all so you're getting their best every night. Last year the draft was crap so no one bothered tanking, but this year is different. BK won't finish with the worst record, probably not even top 5 worst.

You guys could have probably got top 3 value for the BK pick in the summer, I think you'll end up keeping it though and it will fall in the 5-10 range.

REally makes no sense to me why you keep it. You just had to cut a 1st round pick because of roster spots, let Sully just walk without picking up his option. You're losing/wasting assets holding out for trades that aren't happening. With 4 picks next draft, another 4 the year after that...you need to start turning these assets into something real. Or come next off-season you'll be cutting another player on a rookie contract(most valuable contract in NBA by far)

not really sure if there were any eminent deals involving the pick or not. I feel pretty excited about this draft to about pick# 8. Brooklyn's starting lineup is better than it was last year, but they are so thin. An injury away from disaster. But you may be right, we'll see. I am not too worried about it though. I would rather have the 8 pick this year than say....Okafer or Noel.

[BigTrade92]

Tyson Chandler seems like the most obvious and logical trade target.

Ainge wouldn't give Olynyk a contract extension and he wouldn't pick up James Young's option in part because he didn't want to compromise needs years cap space. Celtics have room for a max player.

Ainge certainly isn't going to waste next year's cap space on Tyson Chandler

Woah, you're not kidding.

I didn't think his contract was that bad, but....wow.

[TradeLowry]

Tyson Chandler seems like the most obvious and logical trade target.

Ainge wouldn't give Olynyk a contract extension and he wouldn't pick up James Young's option in part because he didn't want to compromise needs years cap space. Celtics have room for a max player.

Ainge certainly isn't going to waste next year's cap space on Tyson Chandler

Woah, you're not kidding.

I didn't think his contract was that bad, but....wow.

in todays NBA that is actually a decent contract. What would you rather have, Tyson Chandler at 13 million per or Steven Adams at 20 million per?

I wouldn't want either but Chandlers contract isn't that bad considering where the NBA went with salaries this past off-season. Like when Bradley and Thomas contract comes up they'll make 3 times as much as they are now. Crowder will probably make 4 times as much.

Boston is blessed with some great contracts which is why they need to take advantage of the cap space before they have to pay everyone.

[ddb]

Max free agent and a home run lotto pick, yeah, we're probably set. Botched pick, no max free agent, different story.

I think rolling over our cap space again makes sense, *but*...

Rozier or Olynyk (or Smart) for Noel, moving Olynyk for a rookie-scale guy (could we do Olynyk, Young for Nurkic?) keeps us cap neutral...

We could also potentially do better on the trade market with our expirings than we could in free agency.. Between Amir, Zeller and Jerebko, the offers on the table (Vucevic? Hayward? Rudy Gay? Enes Kanter?) could be better than who's left next summer, if we don't get Blake Griffin.

I'm sure Danny will explore all options including trades. However, I heard they are pretty confident that they can land Hayward via free agency this summer. He is a target that may, or may not be their 1st option, but either way they feel like there is mutual interest between both parties there. With that said, would they prefer to sign Hayward and then package our pick with a couple guys to go after another star? That would form a BIG 4 of sorts. IT, Horford, Hayward and then player X acquired in a big trade. Plus whatever is left out of the the following group: Bradley, Crowder, Rozier, Brown, Smart, etc.

[Banks2Pierce]

I think Boston will regret not trading the BK pick. That pick in the off-season was GOLD! You guys learned in the first game either you aren't as good as you think or BK is better than you thought

Who were we meant to use that pick on this offseason? No one was available. We are just as good as we think and BKN is a bottom 5 team. Stop freaking out about 2 weeks worth of basketball.

[TradeLowry]

I think Boston will regret not trading the BK pick. That pick in the off-season was GOLD! You guys learned in the first game either you aren't as good as you think or BK is better than you thought

Who were we meant to use that pick on this offseason? No one was available. We are just as good as we think and BKN is a bottom 5 team. Stop freaking out about 2 weeks worth of basketball.

You must not think highly of Boston considering they struggled against a team that is a lock to be bottom 5?

That pick has value and had a lot of value in the off-season. Considering how many picks you have, that you just cut a 1st round pick, let another 1st round pick walk without picking up a cheap option, and will have to let 3 more 1st round picks walk next off-season to make room for the next years picks and potential "Max Player"

You trade those picks for a real player before you continue to lose assets for nothing. Boston has no roster space, 4 picks per draft the next 2 years and a bunch of young players already on their roster. Do you think the NBA is going to make a new rule to let you have 20 players on your team?

Seems like common sense to me idk

[ddb]

I think Boston will regret not trading the BK pick. That pick in the off-season was GOLD! You guys learned in the first game either you aren't as good as you think or BK is better than you thought

BK has vets and will play hard every game. With a great draft coming up, too many teams will tank this season. BK has no reason to tank at all so you're getting their best every night. Last year the draft was crap so no one bothered tanking, but this year is different. BK won't finish with the worst record, probably not even top 5 worst.

You guys could have probably got top 3 value for the BK pick in the summer, I think you'll end up keeping it though and it will fall in the 5-10 range.

REally makes no sense to me why you keep it. You just had to cut a 1st round pick because of roster spots, let Sully just walk without picking up his option. You're losing/wasting assets holding out for trades that aren't happening. With 4 picks next draft, another 4 the year after that...you need to start turning these assets into something real. Or come next off-season you'll be cutting another player on a rookie contract(most valuable contract in NBA by far)

short sighted thinking. First of all, BK is bad. Will they work hard? yes. Are there teams like Philly, LA and NOP that are really bad too? yes. But that's not a good reason to just trade the BK pick. And it's not even the BK pick. It's a pick SWAP that we have the rights to this year. That pick will have tremendous value down the line.

[TradeLowry]

I think Boston will regret not trading the BK pick. That pick in the off-season was GOLD! You guys learned in the first game either you aren't as good as you think or BK is better than you thought

BK has vets and will play hard every game. With a great draft coming up, too many teams will tank this season. BK has no reason to tank at all so you're getting their best every night. Last year the draft was crap so no one bothered tanking, but this year is different. BK won't finish with the worst record, probably not even top 5 worst.

You guys could have probably got top 3 value for the BK pick in the summer, I think you'll end up keeping it though and it will fall in the 5-10 range.

REally makes no sense to me why you keep it. You just had to cut a 1st round pick because of roster spots, let Sully just walk without picking up his option. You're losing/wasting assets holding out for trades that aren't happening. With 4 picks next draft, another 4 the year after that...you need to start turning these assets into something real. Or come next off-season you'll be cutting another player on a rookie contract(most valuable contract in NBA by far)

short sighted thinking. First of all, BK is bad. Will they work hard? yes. Are there teams like Philly, LA and NOP that are really bad too? yes. But that's not a good reason to just trade the BK pick. And it's not even the BK pick. It's a pick SWAP that we have the rights to this year. That pick will have tremendous value down the line.

I understand BK isn't that good, but understand that during the past draft you could have went to any GM and said we'll trade BK's pick next year, we see that as a top 3 pick. Every GM would say, "Yup, that's a top 3 pick next draft"

As the season goes on you'll find out that BK isn't that good but they won't be in the bottom 5, the pick value will decrease and you'll end up keeping it.

Time will only tell...

[cl2117]

I think Boston will regret not trading the BK pick. That pick in the off-season was GOLD! You guys learned in the first game either you aren't as good as you think or BK is better than you thought

BK has vets and will play hard every game. With a great draft coming up, too many teams will tank this season. BK has no reason to tank at all so you're getting their best every night. Last year the draft was crap so no one bothered tanking, but this year is different. BK won't finish with the worst record, probably not even top 5 worst.

You guys could have probably got top 3 value for the BK pick in the summer, I think you'll end up keeping it though and it will fall in the 5-10 range.

REally makes no sense to me why you keep it. You just had to cut a 1st round pick because of roster spots, let Sully just walk without picking up his option. You're losing/wasting assets holding out for trades that aren't happening. With 4 picks next draft, another 4 the year after that...you need to start turning these assets into something real. Or come next off-season you'll be cutting another player on a rookie contract(most valuable contract in NBA by far)

short sighted thinking. First of all, BK is bad. Will they work hard? yes. Are there teams like Philly, LA and NOP that are really bad too? yes. But that's not a good reason to just trade the BK pick. And it's not even the BK pick. It's a pick SWAP that we have the rights to this year. That pick will have tremendous value down the line.

I understand BK isn't that good, but understand that during the past draft you could have went to any GM and said we'll trade BK's pick next year, we see that as a top 3 pick. Every GM would say, "Yup, that's a top 3 pick next draft"

As the season goes on you'll find out that BK isn't that good but they won't be in the bottom 5, the pick value will decrease and you'll end up keeping it. It was like Okafor and Noel, neither of whom I'd consider worth that pick even now (maybe Okafor, but most C's fans would disagree).

So it's specious reasoning to say we should have traded it, when there weren't any clear options. Takes two to tango.

Time will only tell...

And what player was on the trade block for that BKN 2017 pick? Griffin? No. DMC? No. Love? No. Butler? Only if we included Crowder (not happening).

It's not like teams were coming to Boston with their stars and saying just give us the BKN 2017 and you can have them.

Also most pundits still have BKN as a bottom 5 team despite their 2 wins. They were 3rd worst with a healthy Lopez last season, they have zero depth and no way of getting better. They will be in and around a bottom 5 squad all season even if everything goes great for them. That's good enough for me. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth and all that.

[TradeLowry]

short sighted thinking. First of all, BK is bad. Will they work hard? yes. Are there teams like Philly, LA and NOP that are really bad too? yes. But that's not a good reason to just trade the BK pick. And it's not even the BK pick. It's a pick SWAP that we have the rights to this year. That pick will have tremendous value down the line.

I understand BK isn't that good, but understand that during the past draft you could have went to any GM and said we'll trade BK's pick next year, we see that as a top 3 pick. Every GM would say, "Yup, that's a top 3 pick next draft"

As the season goes on you'll find out that BK isn't that good but they won't be in the bottom 5, the pick value will decrease and you'll end up keeping it. It was like Okafor and Noel, neither of whom I'd consider worth that pick even now (maybe Okafor, but most C's fans would disagree).

So it's specious reasoning to say we should have traded it, when there weren't any clear options. Takes two to tango.

Time will only tell...

And what player was on the trade block for that #3 pick? Griffin? No. DMC? No. Love? No. Butler? Only if we included Crowder (not happening).

It's not like teams were coming to Boston with their stars and saying just give us the BKN 2017 and you can have them.

Also most pundits still have BKN as a bottom 5 team despite their 2 wins. They were 3rd worst with a healthy Lopez last season, they have zero depth and no way of getting better. They will be in and around a bottom 5 squad all season even if everything goes great for them. That's good enough for me. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth and all that.

ya maybe you'd have to include crowder, so what? You wanna win games or do you want to win championships?

You're gonna have to give up a lot to get a superstar. You need superstars to win championships. Crowder isn't leading you to a championship. If he's one of the pieces that needs to be included, so be it.

It's your choice, you can go the Detroit pistons route and hope to win a championship that way. It's happened once in 69 NBA championships. Good luck..

we shall see with BK. They're 2-3 and give you guys a close game in one of their losses.

[cl2117]

I understand BK isn't that good, but understand that during the past draft you could have went to any GM and said we'll trade BK's pick next year, we see that as a top 3 pick. Every GM would say, "Yup, that's a top 3 pick next draft"

As the season goes on you'll find out that BK isn't that good but they won't be in the bottom 5, the pick value will decrease and you'll end up keeping it. It was like Okafor and Noel, neither of whom I'd consider worth that pick even now (maybe Okafor, but most C's fans would disagree).

So it's specious reasoning to say we should have traded it, when there weren't any clear options. Takes two to tango.

Time will only tell...

And what player was on the trade block for that #3 pick? Griffin? No. DMC? No. Love? No. Butler? Only if we included Crowder (not happening).

It's not like teams were coming to Boston with their stars and saying just give us the BKN 2017 and you can have them.

Also most pundits still have BKN as a bottom 5 team despite their 2 wins. They were 3rd worst with a healthy Lopez last season, they have zero depth and no way of getting better. They will be in and around a bottom 5 squad all season even if everything goes great for them. That's good enough for me. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth and all that.

ya maybe you'd have to include crowder, so what? You wanna win games or do you want to win championships?

You're gonna have to give up a lot to get a superstar. You need superstars to win championships. Crowder isn't leading you to a championship. If he's one of the pieces that needs to be included, so be it.

It's your choice, you can go the Detroit pistons route and hope to win a championship that way. It's happened once in 69 NBA championships. Good luck..

Nah man they wanted Crowder, #3 from last year and the BKN 2017 pick at least. You don't empty the cupboard for Butler when you've got other options. Don't blow your load too early.

I don't think Butler is 2 top 5 picks better than Crowder. I'll take Crowder, Brown and Giles and see what happens.

But the point is, that there wasn't a clear trade for 2017 BKN for a superstar. Only Butler was rumored to be available and the price was too high. It's not like they had a plethora of options at their feet and turned their nose up at them.

[Edug27]

I understand BK isn't that good, but understand that during the past draft you could have went to any GM and said we'll trade BK's pick next year, we see that as a top 3 pick. Every GM would say, "Yup, that's a top 3 pick next draft"

As the season goes on you'll find out that BK isn't that good but they won't be in the bottom 5, the pick value will decrease and you'll end up keeping it. It was like Okafor and Noel, neither of whom I'd consider worth that pick even now (maybe Okafor, but most C's fans would disagree).

So it's specious reasoning to say we should have traded it, when there weren't any clear options. Takes two to tango.

Time will only tell...

And what player was on the trade block for that #3 pick? Griffin? No. DMC? No. Love? No. Butler? Only if we included Crowder (not happening).

It's not like teams were coming to Boston with their stars and saying just give us the BKN 2017 and you can have them.

Also most pundits still have BKN as a bottom 5 team despite their 2 wins. They were 3rd worst with a healthy Lopez last season, they have zero depth and no way of getting better. They will be in and around a bottom 5 squad all season even if everything goes great for them. That's good enough for me. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth and all that.

ya maybe you'd have to include crowder, so what? You wanna win games or do you want to win championships?

You're gonna have to give up a lot to get a superstar. You need superstars to win championships. Crowder isn't leading you to a championship. If he's one of the pieces that needs to be included, so be it.

It's your choice, you can go the Detroit pistons route and hope to win a championship that way. It's happened once in 69 NBA championships. Good luck..

we shall see with BK. They're 2-3 and give you guys a close game in one of their losses.

You're acting like Danny doesn't know this. He's put these type of trades together before. No player available for the number 3 pick + Crowder was going to lead us to a championship, otherwise Danny would have personally driven Crowder, his family and all of their belongings to the airport. Probably would have picked them up lunch on the way. Blake wasn't available. Neither was Love or DMC. Only player that potentially could have been had was Jimmy Butler. But Jimmy, Avery and IT aren't going to beat Cleveland in a 7 game series. I'm sure Danny felt the same. The trade wasn't worth it. If young elite players like Anthony Davis were available for that package, then it would be a done deal.

What us Celtics fans are learning quick is that just because you have a good asset(s), doesn't mean there will be a good trade available to use it. A lot of luck goes into this. You have to wait for players to be available. KG and Ray were perfect timing. Danny always mentions how he regrets not being prepared for Harden when OKC made him available.

[Captain_Caveman]

Nuggets a 30-win dynasty, according to their RealGM fans.

Cause it is realistic to expect a team starting 4 guys who are 21 years old or younger to win the championship? Remember a couple of years ago when the Celtics made the playoffs and everybody was talking about how young they were? They had 1 guy in their rotation who was younger than 23 years old. It takes time and experience for young teams to learn how to win, but discounting their talent because a young team while ignoring the facts just shows a lack of BBIQ.

Sorry, but your bud skywalker has already poisoned the waters over here with months of homertastic spamming. You like your team and that's cool, but for my money, you guys have the worst future outlook in the league other than the Nets.

As for lecturing Celts fans about hoops knowledge, the Nuggets don't have one season that cracks our team's top 25, and maybe two that crack our top 50.

Good luck, though.

[TradeLowry]

And what player was on the trade block for that #3 pick? Griffin? No. DMC? No. Love? No. Butler? Only if we included Crowder (not happening).

It's not like teams were coming to Boston with their stars and saying just give us the BKN 2017 and you can have them.

Also most pundits still have BKN as a bottom 5 team despite their 2 wins. They were 3rd worst with a healthy Lopez last season, they have zero depth and no way of getting better. They will be in and around a bottom 5 squad all season even if everything goes great for them. That's good enough for me. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth and all that.

ya maybe you'd have to include crowder, so what? You wanna win games or do you want to win championships?

You're gonna have to give up a lot to get a superstar. You need superstars to win championships. Crowder isn't leading you to a championship. If he's one of the pieces that needs to be included, so be it.

It's your choice, you can go the Detroit pistons route and hope to win a championship that way. It's happened once in 69 NBA championships. Good luck..

Nah man they wanted Crowder, #3 from last year and the BKN 2017 pick at least. You don't empty the cupboard for Butler when you've got other options. Don't blow your load too early.

I don't think Butler is 2 top 5 picks better than Crowder. I'll take Crowder, Brown and Giles and see what happens.

But the point is, that there wasn't a clear trade for 2017 BKN for a superstar. Only Butler was rumored to be available and the price was too high. It's not like they had a plethora of options at their feet and turned their nose up at them.

Your information is wrong my friend. It was mentioned many times in the media how Ainge is being really picky with trades. Trying to fleece teams like he did for Thomas and Crowder and other Gms aren't having it.

Boston has the pieces to bring in a superstar, but your GM is too picky in trades. In the long run it's going to cost the franchise as I mentioned.

Didn't pick up a cheap option or try to trade Sully on a rookie deal(no roster space, had to let him go)

Cut a 1st round pick with 3 years left on a rookie deal(RJ Hunter, no roster space, lost him for nothing)

Is going to probably have to let Kelly walk next off-season...maybe Mickey doesn't get his option picked up either to make room for the 4 draft picks and potential "Max Player free agent"

Another two first round picks, walking for nothing....

The longer you wait to make a trade not only do you continue to lose assets but like I said, I believe BK will over achieve this year and that asset will decrease. You underestimate how many teams will tank come mid-season. BK is going to beat those teams every time.

[Edug27]

Nuggets a 30-win dynasty, according to their RealGM fans.

Cause it is realistic to expect a team starting 4 guys who are 21 years old or younger to win the championship? Remember a couple of years ago when the Celtics made the playoffs and everybody was talking about how young they were? They had 1 guy in their rotation who was younger than 23 years old. It takes time and experience for young teams to learn how to win, but discounting their talent because a young team while ignoring the facts just shows a lack of BBIQ.

Sorry, but your bud skywalker has already poisoned the waters over here with months of homertastic spamming. You like your team and that's cool, but for my money, you guys have the worst future outlook in the league other than the Nets.

As for lecturing Celts fans about hoops knowledge, the Nuggets don't have one season that cracks our team's top 25, and maybe two that crack our top 50.

Good luck, though.

Not a big fan of the Nuggets roster, their young talent, or even the franchise as a whole for that matter. But Mudiay, Jokic, Nurkic, and Murray are all intriguing young players. So that's a start. They'll be pretty bad this year again, so that's another lottery pick to add to the bunch. Not sure how I feel about Mike Malone as a coach or Connelly as a GM.. but we'll see. I don't hate on any scrub team making efforts to improve.

[Banks2Pierce]

You like your team and that's cool, but for my money, you guys have the worst future outlook in the league other than the Nets.

No way. I don't know what to think about Mudiay and Murray yet, but Nurkic and Jokic are studs. They'll need to salvage the Gallinari situation, but he'll still return something. They're in good shape. DWade picking Chicago saved them from themselves.

[Curmudgeon]

Don't forget Hernangomez, who is a good player. I like the Nuggets young talent. Their problems are (1) a number of other teams, including the Celtics, have better young talent and (2) no one wants their old talent, so they won't get better via trades. They are a somewhat better Western conference version of Orlando and will remain so for at least the next two years.

[Captain_Caveman]

You like your team and that's cool, but for my money, you guys have the worst future outlook in the league other than the Nets.

No way. I don't know what to think about Mudiay and Murray yet, but Nurkic and Jokic are studs. They'll need to salvage the Gallinari situation, but he'll still return something. They're in good shape. DWade picking Chicago saved them from themselves.

Suit yourself. I think they are a role player factory that is putting on a clinic on exactly how not to build a team.

Mediocre vets with mediocre vets with a mediocre future. They are willing to spend 4 years building just to be average someday. This is exactly why they have never made the Finals and have really only had like 4 decent seasons in their 40 years in the league.

I literally would not even watch basketball if that were my team. The only reason I have the Nets below them in terms of future outlook is because we own all their draft picks.

There is no chance whatsoever that the Nuggets are going to do anything with these current players.

Ever.

[Fidel Sarcasmo]

Nuggets a 30-win dynasty, according to their RealGM fans.

Cause it is realistic to expect a team starting 4 guys who are 21 years old or younger to win the championship? Remember a couple of years ago when the Celtics made the playoffs and everybody was talking about how young they were? They had 1 guy in their rotation who was younger than 23 years old. It takes time and experience for young teams to learn how to win, but discounting their talent because a young team while ignoring the facts just shows a lack of BBIQ.

Sorry, but your bud skywalker has already poisoned the waters over here with months of homertastic spamming. You like your team and that's cool, but for my money, you guys have the worst future outlook in the league other than the Nets.

As for lecturing Celts fans about hoops knowledge, the Nuggets don't have one season that cracks our team's top 25, and maybe two that crack our top 50.

Good luck, though.

I really respect how you put him down humanely. One shot to the head and it's over. It shows empathy. And I think this world needs more people like you in it.