Kawhi Thread, Numero 4 -- Traded to Raptors for DeRozan, others

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Sixers aren’t selling low on Fultz. That’s why they aren’t including him. It’s very hard to give up on such a high pick who shown he can beat players off the dribble. Fultz in limited time averaged 7 points/4 rebounds/3 assist in 18 minutes.

Ingram was completely lost his 1st season. He averaged l like 9.5 points 3 rebounds 2 assists on 28 minutes of play

Brown averaged 6 points 1 assist 3 rebounds in his first season playing 17 minutes.

Will see how Fultz does the second year.

Many Celtics fans were clearly frustrated with Brown his first season. He fell out of the rotation for a bit as well. And he barely played against the bulls after they went down 0-2 Remember that?

Still he hasn’t shown he can ball at high levels so for now it’s a “Bust level” being the first overall pick. The story is full of players who underplayed the first year and the got better and is full of players who underplayed the first year and continue that trend for their entire career. You just can’t “assume” that because Brown and Ingram got better automatically Fultz will, so right now they are far apart.

So Boston fans would agree brown was a bust after his 1st year?

And Fultz has shown he can take players off the dribble and to the rim.

During his rookie year we saw really solid play from Brown during the playoffs and saw growth from him during the season. His minutes were relatively limited due to intense competition from veterans more experienced in the system than anything else. That was not the case with Fultz.

What I assume is your point (that sometime players can have bad rookie years and grow into better players over time) is well taken. And perhaps Fultz can turn things around. But comparing Jaylen Brown's rookie season to Markelle Fultz' is comparing apples to crab apples.

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[kuclas]

Still he hasn’t shown he can ball at high levels so for now it’s a “Bust level” being the first overall pick. The story is full of players who underplayed the first year and the got better and is full of players who underplayed the first year and continue that trend for their entire career. You just can’t “assume” that because Brown and Ingram got better automatically Fultz will, so right now they are far apart.

So Boston fans would agree brown was a bust after his 1st year?

And Fultz has shown he can take players off the dribble and to the rim.

During his rookie year we saw really solid play from Brown during the playoffs and saw growth from him during the season. His minutes were relatively limited due to intense competition from veterans more experienced in the system than anything else. That was not the case with Fultz.

What I assume is your point (that sometime players can have bad rookie years and grow into better players over time) is well taken. And perhaps Fultz can turn things around. But comparing Jaylen Brown's rookie season to Markelle Fultz' is comparing apples to crab apples.

How can you say brown had solid play in 2017 playoffs as rookie. You realize Stevens essentially did the same to brown what Philly did to Fultz in their first round series. Brown played a total of 10 minutes in 4 games after after Celtics went down 0-2 to the bulls in the first round. And 8 of those minutes were essentially garbage time in the final game of that series.

Brown hit the rookie wall as well and was in and out of the rotation. But he did gradually improve mid season of his rookie season but Stevens had no faith in him when things got tight in the bulls series after being down 0-2. It happens.

That’s what happens to rookies. Fultz is just weird case. Maybe he ends up being bust. But he essentially played 14 games his entire rookie season. Shown he can handle the ball and take players off the dribble.

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So Boston fans would agree brown was a bust after his 1st year?

And Fultz has shown he can take players off the dribble and to the rim.

During his rookie year we saw really solid play from Brown during the playoffs and saw growth from him during the season. His minutes were relatively limited due to intense competition from veterans more experienced in the system than anything else. That was not the case with Fultz.

What I assume is your point (that sometime players can have bad rookie years and grow into better players over time) is well taken. And perhaps Fultz can turn things around. But comparing Jaylen Brown's rookie season to Markelle Fultz' is comparing apples to crab apples.

How can you say brown had solid play in 2017 playoffs as rookie. You realize Stevens essentially did the same to brown what Philly did to Fultz in their first round series. Brown played a total of 10 minutes in 4 games after after Celtics went down 0-2 to the bulls in the first round. And 8 of those minutes were essentially garbage time in the final game of that series.

Brown hit the rookie wall as well and was in and out of the rotation. But he did gradually improve mid season of his rookie season but Stevens had no faith in him when things got tight in the bulls series after being down 0-2. It happens.

That’s what happens to rookies. Fultz is just weird case. Maybe he ends up being bust. But he essentially played 14 games his entire rookie season. Shown he can handle the ball and take players off the dribble.

If Stevens lost faith in JB why did he average 17 minutes in the 2017 ECF, scoring 9 and grabbing 3 boards.

If you’re going to come in here and bash one of our players at least get your information correct. Filling paragraph after paragraph with false information does not do much for your credibility.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

That’s what happens to rookies. Fultz is just weird case. Maybe he ends up being bust. But he essentially played 14 games his entire rookie season. Shown he can handle the ball and take players off the dribble.

He can handle the ball and take players off the dribble? I should hope so, since it cost you guys Jayson Tatum and a Kings pick. Lol.

[kuclas]

During his rookie year we saw really solid play from Brown during the playoffs and saw growth from him during the season. His minutes were relatively limited due to intense competition from veterans more experienced in the system than anything else. That was not the case with Fultz.

What I assume is your point (that sometime players can have bad rookie years and grow into better players over time) is well taken. And perhaps Fultz can turn things around. But comparing Jaylen Brown's rookie season to Markelle Fultz' is comparing apples to crab apples.

How can you say brown had solid play in 2017 playoffs as rookie. You realize Stevens essentially did the same to brown what Philly did to Fultz in their first round series. Brown played a total of 10 minutes in 4 games after after Celtics went down 0-2 to the bulls in the first round. And 8 of those minutes were essentially garbage time in the final game of that series.

Brown hit the rookie wall as well and was in and out of the rotation. But he did gradually improve mid season of his rookie season but Stevens had no faith in him when things got tight in the bulls series after being down 0-2. It happens.

That’s what happens to rookies. Fultz is just weird case. Maybe he ends up being bust. But he essentially played 14 games his entire rookie season. Shown he can handle the ball and take players off the dribble.

If Stevens lost faith in JB why did he average 17 minutes in the 2017 ECF, scoring 9 and grabbing 3 boards.

If you’re going to come in here and bash one of our players at least get your information correct. Filling paragraph after paragraph with false information does not do much for your credibility.

Why didn’t brown play after Celtics were down 0-2 to bulls? It’s cause coaches lose faith in rookies quickly if they are not performing and the team is losing. They go to their veterans.. It’s not false information. Stevens simply didn’t trust Brown in that first round after Celtics got down 0-2.

Saying that. Brett brown made huge mistake not letting Fultz play in 2nd round against Celtics when he was knuckle headed keeping the only guy who can break down opponents off the dribble as Celtics were determined to guard sixers on the 3 point. But that’s on Brett brown not trusting Fultz. While Stevens gave brown another opportunity to redeem himself later in the 2017 playoffs.

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How can you say brown had solid play in 2017 playoffs as rookie. You realize Stevens essentially did the same to brown what Philly did to Fultz in their first round series. Brown played a total of 10 minutes in 4 games after after Celtics went down 0-2 to the bulls in the first round. And 8 of those minutes were essentially garbage time in the final game of that series.

Brown hit the rookie wall as well and was in and out of the rotation. But he did gradually improve mid season of his rookie season but Stevens had no faith in him when things got tight in the bulls series after being down 0-2. It happens.

That’s what happens to rookies. Fultz is just weird case. Maybe he ends up being bust. But he essentially played 14 games his entire rookie season. Shown he can handle the ball and take players off the dribble.

If Stevens lost faith in JB why did he average 17 minutes in the 2017 ECF, scoring 9 and grabbing 3 boards.

If you’re going to come in here and bash one of our players at least get your information correct. Filling paragraph after paragraph with false information does not do much for your credibility.

Why didn’t brown play after Celtics were down 0-2 to bulls? It’s cause coaches lose faith in rookies quickly if they are not performing and the team is losing. They go to their veterans.. It’s not false information. Stevens simply didn’t trust Brown in that first round after Celtics got down 0-2.

Saying that. Brett brown made huge mistake not letting Fultz play in 2nd round against Celtics when he was knuckle headed keeping the only guy who can break down opponents off the dribble as Celtics were determined to guard sixers on the 3 point. But that’s on Brett brown not trusting Fultz. While Stevens gave brown another opportunity to redeem himself later in the 2017 playoffs.

Brown didn’t play because he was overwhelmed and overmatched as a rookie. He was back in the rotation in the following round against Washington though

[SmartWentCrazy]

I love the false equivalences this Sixers fan is trying to peddle...

How was Jaylen Brown’s situation similar to Fultz’s? Did he forget how to shoot? Did he only play 14 games due to an incredibly murky situation that his current trainer insinuated was solely a mental issue? Did he never play again in the playoffs after his coach benched him for a few games? Did Fultz subsequently play every playoff game? Did he ever flash as well as Jaylen did in the playoffs against the best player of the last 20 years? Why should Jaylen Browns outlier growth from year 1 to 2 be applied to Fultz?

Stop. Just seriously stop. Youre making a fool out of yourself on an audience who doesnt give one **** about Fultz.

[kuclas]

If Stevens lost faith in JB why did he average 17 minutes in the 2017 ECF, scoring 9 and grabbing 3 boards.

If you’re going to come in here and bash one of our players at least get your information correct. Filling paragraph after paragraph with false information does not do much for your credibility.

Why didn’t brown play after Celtics were down 0-2 to bulls? It’s cause coaches lose faith in rookies quickly if they are not performing and the team is losing. They go to their veterans.. It’s not false information. Stevens simply didn’t trust Brown in that first round after Celtics got down 0-2.

Saying that. Brett brown made huge mistake not letting Fultz play in 2nd round against Celtics when he was knuckle headed keeping the only guy who can break down opponents off the dribble as Celtics were determined to guard sixers on the 3 point. But that’s on Brett brown not trusting Fultz. While Stevens gave brown another opportunity to redeem himself later in the 2017 playoffs.

Brown didn’t play because he was overwhelmed and overmatched as a rookie. He was back in the rotation in the following round against Washington though

Yes. That my point. Sixers coach lost faith in Fultz. He’s a head case. But he’s also a rookie and a very young rookie at that. Who knows if fultz will ever be the player he was drafted to be.

I go on lots of other teams boards. I’ve seen posts on these boards when Brown was a rookie and looked lost. It happens to a lot of rookies.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

I love the false equivalences this Sixers fan is trying to peddle...

How was Jaylen Brown’s situation similar to Fultz’s? Did he forget how to shoot? Did he only play 14 games due to an incredibly murky situation that his current trainer insinuated was solely a mental issue? Did he never play again in the playoffs after his coach benched him for a few games? Did Fultz subsequently play every playoff game? Did he ever flash as well as Jaylen did in the playoffs against the best player of the last 20 years? Why should Jaylen Browns outlier growth from year 1 to 2 be applied to Fultz?

Stop. Just seriously stop. Youre making a fool out of yourself on an audience who doesnt give one **** about Fultz.

If Sixers fans think they have it bad right now, just imagine the **** show if Ainge somehow manages to draft a player with next year's Kings pick that ends up being better than Fultz.

[truth18]

Why didn’t brown play after Celtics were down 0-2 to bulls? It’s cause coaches lose faith in rookies quickly if they are not performing and the team is losing. They go to their veterans.. It’s not false information. Stevens simply didn’t trust Brown in that first round after Celtics got down 0-2.

Saying that. Brett brown made huge mistake not letting Fultz play in 2nd round against Celtics when he was knuckle headed keeping the only guy who can break down opponents off the dribble as Celtics were determined to guard sixers on the 3 point. But that’s on Brett brown not trusting Fultz. While Stevens gave brown another opportunity to redeem himself later in the 2017 playoffs.

Brown didn’t play because he was overwhelmed and overmatched as a rookie. He was back in the rotation in the following round against Washington though

Yes. That my point. Sixers coach lost faith in Fultz. He’s a head case. But he’s also a rookie and a very young rookie at that. Who knows if fultz will ever be the player he was drafted to be.

I go on lots of other teams boards. I’ve seen posts on these boards when Brown was a rookie and looked lost. It happens to a lot of rookies.

This is sad.

The man's shot broke entirely. His penis broke in two.

That's not some normal rookie shakes, let alone normal behavior for the number one pick. It's highly unusual. Maybe he fixes his shot with Drew, but that doesn't make what happened any less unusual.

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Why didn’t brown play after Celtics were down 0-2 to bulls? It’s cause coaches lose faith in rookies quickly if they are not performing and the team is losing. They go to their veterans.. It’s not false information. Stevens simply didn’t trust Brown in that first round after Celtics got down 0-2.

Saying that. Brett brown made huge mistake not letting Fultz play in 2nd round against Celtics when he was knuckle headed keeping the only guy who can break down opponents off the dribble as Celtics were determined to guard sixers on the 3 point. But that’s on Brett brown not trusting Fultz. While Stevens gave brown another opportunity to redeem himself later in the 2017 playoffs.

Brown didn’t play because he was overwhelmed and overmatched as a rookie. He was back in the rotation in the following round against Washington though

Yes. That my point. Sixers coach lost faith in Fultz. He’s a head case. But he’s also a rookie and a very young rookie at that. Who knows if fultz will ever be the player he was drafted to be.

I go on lots of other teams boards. I’ve seen posts on these boards when Brown was a rookie and looked lost. It happens to a lot of rookies.

He looked like a rookie, a rookie you have to work on because that was the thing when he was drafted, a player with potential not ready for the pros, he also played all the season. On the other hand Fultz was the Superstar of the draft, an All-Star on the making, a dead eye shooter with a great handle, he played few games and BUSTED compared to the expectations, while Brown’s first year showed the expected, Fultz first year was highly disappointing, now in his second year Brown improved way more than expected, what Fultz will show is still something we don’t know and can’t predict so right now the two players are on a totally different plan.

[kuclas]

I love the false equivalences this Sixers fan is trying to peddle...

How was Jaylen Brown’s situation similar to Fultz’s? Did he forget how to shoot? Did he only play 14 games due to an incredibly murky situation that his current trainer insinuated was solely a mental issue? Did he never play again in the playoffs after his coach benched him for a few games? Did Fultz subsequently play every playoff game? Did he ever flash as well as Jaylen did in the playoffs against the best player of the last 20 years? Why should Jaylen Browns outlier growth from year 1 to 2 be applied to Fultz?

Stop. Just seriously stop. Youre making a fool out of yourself on an audience who doesnt give one **** about Fultz.

If Sixers fans think they have it bad right now, just imagine the **** show if Ainge somehow manages to draft a player with next year's Kings pick that ends up being better than Fultz.

Ainge hasn’t drafted any all star players in his 15 years running the club. Has he? It’s just the nature of the nba of how nba drafts works. Maybe Tatum/Brown will be all stars in the future. So unless sac pick is top 2-3 in weak 2019 draft. Chances are. Ainge isn’t gonna to get anyone good.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

I love the false equivalences this Sixers fan is trying to peddle...

How was Jaylen Brown’s situation similar to Fultz’s? Did he forget how to shoot? Did he only play 14 games due to an incredibly murky situation that his current trainer insinuated was solely a mental issue? Did he never play again in the playoffs after his coach benched him for a few games? Did Fultz subsequently play every playoff game? Did he ever flash as well as Jaylen did in the playoffs against the best player of the last 20 years? Why should Jaylen Browns outlier growth from year 1 to 2 be applied to Fultz?

Stop. Just seriously stop. Youre making a fool out of yourself on an audience who doesnt give one **** about Fultz.

If Sixers fans think they have it bad right now, just imagine the **** show if Ainge somehow manages to draft a player with next year's Kings pick that ends up being better than Fultz.

Ainge hasn’t drafted any all star players in his 15 years running the club. Has he? It’s just the nature of the nba of how nba drafts works. Maybe Tatum/Brown will be all stars in the future. So unless sac pick is top 2-3 in weak 2019 draft. Chances are. Ainge isn’t gonna to get anyone good.

He drafted Rondo.

[Slax]

I love the false equivalences this Sixers fan is trying to peddle...

How was Jaylen Brown’s situation similar to Fultz’s? Did he forget how to shoot? Did he only play 14 games due to an incredibly murky situation that his current trainer insinuated was solely a mental issue? Did he never play again in the playoffs after his coach benched him for a few games? Did Fultz subsequently play every playoff game? Did he ever flash as well as Jaylen did in the playoffs against the best player of the last 20 years? Why should Jaylen Browns outlier growth from year 1 to 2 be applied to Fultz?

Stop. Just seriously stop. Youre making a fool out of yourself on an audience who doesnt give one **** about Fultz.

If Sixers fans think they have it bad right now, just imagine the **** show if Ainge somehow manages to draft a player with next year's Kings pick that ends up being better than Fultz.

Ainge hasn’t drafted any all star players in his 15 years running the club. Has he? It’s just the nature of the nba of how nba drafts works. Maybe Tatum/Brown will be all stars in the future. So unless sac pick is top 2-3 in weak 2019 draft. Chances are. Ainge isn’t gonna to get anyone good.

You're already prepared to say that to be better than Fultz, a player has to become an all star? Because I'm not.

[kuclas]

If Sixers fans think they have it bad right now, just imagine the **** show if Ainge somehow manages to draft a player with next year's Kings pick that ends up being better than Fultz.

Ainge hasn’t drafted any all star players in his 15 years running the club. Has he? It’s just the nature of the nba of how nba drafts works. Maybe Tatum/Brown will be all stars in the future. So unless sac pick is top 2-3 in weak 2019 draft. Chances are. Ainge isn’t gonna to get anyone good.

He drafted Rondo.

Rondo wasn't drafted by Ainge, he was drafted by Phoenix than traded.

[kuclas]

If Sixers fans think they have it bad right now, just imagine the **** show if Ainge somehow manages to draft a player with next year's Kings pick that ends up being better than Fultz.

Ainge hasn’t drafted any all star players in his 15 years running the club. Has he? It’s just the nature of the nba of how nba drafts works. Maybe Tatum/Brown will be all stars in the future. So unless sac pick is top 2-3 in weak 2019 draft. Chances are. Ainge isn’t gonna to get anyone good.

You're already prepared to say that to be better than Fultz, a player has to become an all star? Because I'm not.

No, what I'm saying is Ainge draft history over the past 15 seasons is ho hum. NBA draft are a crap shot with many busts in general. Ainge is a great GM in terms of trades/acquitions though.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Ainge hasn’t drafted any all star players in his 15 years running the club. Has he? It’s just the nature of the nba of how nba drafts works. Maybe Tatum/Brown will be all stars in the future. So unless sac pick is top 2-3 in weak 2019 draft. Chances are. Ainge isn’t gonna to get anyone good.

He drafted Rondo.

Rondo wasn't drafted by Ainge, he was drafted by Phoenix than traded.

Nope.

A trade with Phoenix for that pick was agreed to on draft night. Trades cannot be finalized on draft night. To supercede this, Ainge told Phoenix who to draft and the trade was finalized with the players rights after the draft.

Its the same as with Philly’s trade of the second rounder to LA this year. Because it wasnt finalized until the new league year, the transaction will show Philly as having made the pick. The reality is that LA told Philly who to pick and his rights were subsequently traded when it was finalized.