Last Train to Celticsville Trade Thread

[Ben-N1ce]

Would Horford/Juancho/filler for Barnes/Buddy - in theory - actually make us any better

Yes

[Andrew McCeltic]

Come on, Brad!

depends on cost.

Right now he's a rich man's Dennis Schroder at about 6x the price.

The guy has some promise, but he can't shoot and he's not some great floor general. I don't see the fit with this team, unless its a buy low.

I’d think about it if he fell into our lap (cost Horford, Juancho, Dennis, Nesmith), he’s young and a “star” but.. he’s struggled to play in a non-ball-dominant role and his shooting means he can’t do anything off ball. He’d basically be year 1 Kemba without the shooting, just as bad defensively, maybe a little better as a playmaker.

[Larry_Russell]

depends on cost.

Right now he's a rich man's Dennis Schroder at about 6x the price.

The guy has some promise, but he can't shoot and he's not some great floor general. I don't see the fit with this team, unless its a buy low.

I’d think about it if he fell into our lap (cost Horford, Juancho, Dennis, Nesmith), he’s young and a “star” but.. he’s struggled to play in a non-ball-dominant role and his shooting means he can’t do anything off ball. He’d basically be year 1 Kemba without the shooting, just as bad defensively, maybe a little better as a playmaker.

I think some his bad defensiveness (is that a word) comes from his team throughout the years.

He is certainly better than Kemba.

[zoyathedestroya]

Read on Twitter

Gimme Barnes.

Brown for Barnes/Haliburton? Hater.

(Beal to follow in the summer via S&T)

[fallguy]

Gimme Barnes.

Barnes has never left my list.

Barnes actually changes our ceiling, IMO.

Smart/Jaylen/Tatum/Barnes/Rob is sexy as hell.

Would love to see Ime actually move Al to the bench but hard to imagine it. This would help, presumably.

Does this really change our ceiling though? I think it gives us a better chance to hit our ceiling but not sure it really lifts it. That's not an argument not to do it. Just wonder if our best case is a second round out this year with or without Barnes.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Would Horford/Juancho/filler for Barnes/Buddy - in theory - actually make us any better

Replacing Horfords lack of spacing in the starting lineup with Barnes is a huge win

Pairing Buddy with Richardson off the bench is a huge plus to the bench.


we are a lot better with them, imo.

Smart/Richardson
Brown/Buddy
Tatum/Hield
Barnes/Grant
Timelord/Kanter

Only weakness is backup center honestly. THat team is deeeeeeep and would be an absolute dream trade. Flip Schroder for a capable backup center.

I’m not a Barnes fan at all.. he’d be an upgrade over Horford but he’s a guy who manages to do the right things - score, defend - without ever making his teams better. Reminds me of prime Jeff Green. But I get the appeal.

Buddy is expensive and slumping, but in theory he can help offensively. Right now he’s half as useful as JRich for twice the money. Out of the slump he’s a much better scorer but doesn’t defend as well.

[sully00]

I think he can play, I like him in general. But I don’t love his fit with the Jay’s, and he’s an absolutely brutal outside shooter. He makes Schroder look like Ray Allen, yuck.

I have actually been looking at this and think that it is absolutely the way for Boston to go if they can keep Jaylen, Tatum and Rob Will out of it. The Celtics are at their best when pushing the ball and Fox is terrific in the open floor. He has to improve as a shooter but my goodness if your trading Smart for him really? The money is always a risk, but the kid's stock is so low right now.

If you could get him for Smart and a pick or two why not?

Why would the Kings want Smart though? They have Hali, and then Davion Mitchell once Fox is gone.

I am not convinced Mithcell's ready for prime time Smart is just a solid vet player and he is signed and would have value at the draft as well if you want to flip him. He would certainly provide and attitude adjustment and be a low usage compliment to Haliburton.

To me the market for overpaid underperforming lead guards glutted right now. The Kings are in that moment where if they can get a buyer then they might just sell before it becomes a trade demand or his value to contract goes upside down. I don't know if young guys draft picks gets it done but I think that the J's need that consistent offensive threat to let them work one on one and he could be that guy.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Right now he's a rich man's Dennis Schroder at about 6x the price.

The guy has some promise, but he can't shoot and he's not some great floor general. I don't see the fit with this team, unless its a buy low.

I’d think about it if he fell into our lap (cost Horford, Juancho, Dennis, Nesmith), he’s young and a “star” but.. he’s struggled to play in a non-ball-dominant role and his shooting means he can’t do anything off ball. He’d basically be year 1 Kemba without the shooting, just as bad defensively, maybe a little better as a playmaker.

I think some his bad defensiveness (is that a word) comes from his team throughout the years.

He is certainly better than Kemba.

Sacramento fans say he loses focus all the time and doesn’t make much effort. Does that mean it’s a coachable problem? Idk.

He’s a couple inches taller than Kemba, at least - 6’3” in shoes- and put on a little muscle this summer.

[Feed Your Head]

Barnes has never left my list.

Barnes actually changes our ceiling, IMO.

Smart/Jaylen/Tatum/Barnes/Rob is sexy as hell.

Would love to see Ime actually move Al to the bench but hard to imagine it. This would help, presumably.

Does this really change our ceiling though? I think it gives us a better chance to hit our ceiling but not sure it really lifts it. That's not an argument not to do it. Just wonder if our best case is a second round out this year with or without Barnes.

Barnes has become a really good player, but more than that, the spacing would be SO much better.

I still don’t think we’d be a legit contender, but it’s a step in the right direction.

[Larry_Russell]

Would Horford/Juancho/filler for Barnes/Buddy - in theory - actually make us any better

Replacing Horfords lack of spacing in the starting lineup with Barnes is a huge win

Pairing Buddy with Richardson off the bench is a huge plus to the bench.


we are a lot better with them, imo.

Smart/Richardson
Brown/Buddy
Tatum/Hield
Barnes/Grant
Timelord/Kanter

Only weakness is backup center honestly. THat team is deeeeeeep and would be an absolute dream trade. Flip Schroder for a capable backup center.

I’m not a Barnes fan at all.. he’d be an upgrade over Horford but he’s a guy who manages to do the right things - score, defend - without ever making his teams better. Reminds me of prime Jeff Green. But I get the appeal.

Buddy is expensive and slumping, but in theory he can help offensively. Right now he’s half as useful as JRich for twice the money. Out of the slump he’s a much better scorer but doesn’t defend as well.

Horford and Juancho and nothing is worse than Barnes and Buddy though.

ITs an improvement.

[Larry_Russell]

Barnes actually changes our ceiling, IMO.

Smart/Jaylen/Tatum/Barnes/Rob is sexy as hell.

Would love to see Ime actually move Al to the bench but hard to imagine it. This would help, presumably.

Does this really change our ceiling though? I think it gives us a better chance to hit our ceiling but not sure it really lifts it. That's not an argument not to do it. Just wonder if our best case is a second round out this year with or without Barnes.

Barnes has become a really good player, but more than that, the spacing would be SO much better.

I still don’t think we’d be a legit contender, but it’s a step in the right direction.

Add to that, it seems teams are always interested in them and their contracts decline. It would be an absolute no brainer.

for example, want to make a play for BEal?
Barnes is a useful player making only 18 million and is an expiring.

Great piece to use for a trade

[Feed Your Head]

Read on Twitter

Gimme Barnes.

Brown for Barnes/Haliburton? Hater.

(Beal to follow in the summer via S&T)

[Curmudgeon]

I think the player Sacramento should be trying to move is Fox. But if you want Fox, you have to take Hield also. That gets the Kings out from under two huge overpays. They've got Halliburton and Davion Mitchell, so they don't really need Fox.

The Celtics could offer Horford, Juancho, Richardson and Langford. That saves the Kings about $140M and puts the Celtics deep into the luxury tax through 2024 at least.

But Fox, Tatum, Brown, Hield and R. Williams, with Smart off the bench, would look good on paper. After about 10 games Smart would be starting and Hield would be sitting, but that's a separate issue.

[BK_2020]

I am not convinced Mithcell's ready for prime time Smart is just a solid vet player and he is signed and would have value at the draft as well if you want to flip him. He would certainly provide and attitude adjustment and be a low usage compliment to Haliburton.

I don't get this Smart = attitude upgrade talk. The Celtics have been criticized for their attitude issues the last three years. Smart has been central to these issues. What makes anyone here think that injecting Smart into a locker room would turn a group of losers into winners? And what makes anyone here think the other front offices haven't caught onto this?

[BostonCouchGM]

Would Horford/Juancho/filler for Barnes/Buddy - in theory - actually make us any better

Replacing Horfords lack of spacing in the starting lineup with Barnes is a huge win

Pairing Buddy with Richardson off the bench is a huge plus to the bench.


we are a lot better with them, imo.

Smart/Richardson
Brown/Buddy
Tatum/Hield
Barnes/Grant
Timelord/Kanter

Only weakness is backup center honestly. THat team is deeeeeeep and would be an absolute dream trade. Flip Schroder for a capable backup center.

I’m not a Barnes fan at all.. he’d be an upgrade over Horford but he’s a guy who manages to do the right things - score, defend - without ever making his teams better. Reminds me of prime Jeff Green. But I get the appeal.

Buddy is expensive and slumping, but in theory he can help offensively. Right now he’s half as useful as JRich for twice the money. Out of the slump he’s a much better scorer but doesn’t defend as well.

You’re aware that he was an integral part (3 and D) of that 2015 champion Warriors team right? As a #4 or #5 but still, that’s all we’d expect from him

[bucknersrevenge]

I think the player Sacramento should be trying to move is Fox. But if you want Fox, you have to taker Hield also. That gets the Kings out from under two huge overpays. They've got Halliburton and Davion Mitchell, so they don't really need Fox.

The Celtics could offer Horford, Juancho, Richardson and Langford. That saves the Kings about $140M and puts the Celtics deep into the luxury tax through 2024 at least.

But Fox, Tatum, Brown, Hield and R. Williams, with Smart off the bench, would look good on paper. After about 10 games Smart would be starting and Hield would be sitting, but that's a separate issue.

I think they'll get offers for better talent than that and I'd think that's the avenue that they would go in over cap relief.

...but it's the Kings. So who knows.

[Curmudgeon]

I think the player Sacramento should be trying to move is Fox. But if you want Fox, you have to taker Hield also. That gets the Kings out from under two huge overpays. They've got Halliburton and Davion Mitchell, so they don't really need Fox.

The Celtics could offer Horford, Juancho, Richardson and Langford. That saves the Kings about $140M and puts the Celtics deep into the luxury tax through 2024 at least.

But Fox, Tatum, Brown, Hield and R. Williams, with Smart off the bench, would look good on paper. After about 10 games Smart would be starting and Hield would be sitting, but that's a separate issue.

I think they'll get offers for better talent than that and I'd think that's the avenue that they would go in over cap relief.

...but it's the Kings. So who knows.

What better talent? What team can match 50M in expiring salary and send more talent as well? Richardson and Langford are decent NBA players who don't cost alot.

Houston could offer John Wall and Christian Wood, but that only saves $100M and Wall would be behind Halliburton anyway.

[Bohemian]

So, any idea on what Brad may be trying to do ? With Danny we knew more or less his way of facing the trade deadline, but Brad keeps me intrigued. We know:

1. Beal is still plan A
2. We also want Simmons, or at least have shown interest.
3. We are interested in Jeff Green and Jalen Smith
4. Schroeder is a possible target of teams like Cavs or Mavericks.

Anything else?

[Hal14]

ok, I'm on the Harrison Barnes bandwagon.

Not only would he be a really nice complimentary piece - but his trainer is Noah LaRoche, who's from Exeter, NH.

Coincidence? I think not.

*muahahahahaha*

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2021/3/17/22335267/harrison-barnes-q-and-a-trade-deadline-sacramento-kings-nba

[chrisab123]

Would Horford/Juancho/filler for Barnes/Buddy - in theory - actually make us any better

Yes

I hate both those contracts but you have to take that deal and run.