Free Agent, Trade, Buyout, Extension & Conversion Thread, 2025 con't

[ddb]

The 2nd apron crap is frustrating. If Brad flips Porzingis, who's entering the final year of his deal to the Pistons, who have cap space, that solves things for both teams. Zinger for Fontecchio. Gets Boston under the 2nd apron. Then Brad can operate with more flexibility & options. He can "big game hunt" and target Giannis, or whoever his heart desires.

For the Pistons, they proved to be tough in that first round match-up against New York. Detroit is not exactly a free agent destination, so adding the high upside Porzingis on a short-term commitment, for basically nothing is a major win for them. When right he gives them a veteran leader who protects the rim and stretches the floor out to the 3pt line. He'd open stuff up even more for Cade making that offense even more dangerous.

[Fierce1]

The 2nd apron crap is frustrating. If Brad flips Porzingis, who's entering the final year of his deal to the Pistons, who have cap space, that solves things for both teams. Zinger for Fontecchio. Gets Boston under the 2nd apron. Then Brad can operate with more flexibility & options. He can "big game hunt" and target Giannis, or whoever his heart desires.

For the Pistons, they proved to be tough in that first round match-up against New York. Detroit is not exactly a free agent destination, so adding the high upside Porzingis on a short-term commitment, for basically nothing is a major win for them. When right he gives them a veteran leader who protects the rim and stretches the floor out to the 3pt line. He'd open stuff up even more for Cade making that offense even more dangerous.

Why help the Pistons?

They're a potential playoff opponent.

[hugepatsfan]

If they really do want to pursue Giannis:

BOS gives: Brown, White, all the draft capital we have
BOS gets: Giannis

MIL gives: Giannis, either PatC/minimum salary guy or Portis
MIL gets: Brown, White

3rd team gives: nothing
3rd team gets: 2nd round picks from us, either PatC/minimum salary guy or Portis

Salary matching works for them, we get below the 2nd apron on that swap.

Assuming we can get back Horford/Jornet on minimum deals, we have:

Pritchard
Jrue
Hauser / Scheierman
Giannis / Horford
Porzingis / Kornet

And then obviously Tatum would be back eventually. Have to think we'd be an attractive spot for vet min guards. Maybe CP3 would come here to ring chase? Have to think any guard/wing shooter looking for a value boosting type of deal would have us circled as a good spot. We could also trade Porzingis's big expiring deal for more depth. There's probably teams out there with 2 decent guys making like $15M each on multi year deals that they'd make the swap for the upside for one year and savings after. Though we might prefer to keep KP and let him expire so we can duck the 2nd apron next year and beyond too.

I think it's a fair offer when you consider our picks on top of what White/Brown could be worth if MIL liquidated them, though they may prefer to try and push for playoffs with them because they don't own their picks.

I think you could sell Giannis on that team having a punchers chance without Tatum and that it'd be a powerhouse when Tatum is back. The problem is that Jrue/Horford are old and could be washed by the time Tatum is back and Porzingis would be off the books and probably gone unless cheap. So the window doesn't line up right.

If Tatum hadn't hurt himself I think this would probably be Giannis' preferred spot and a competitive offer so it'd have a shot. I doubt Giannis is thrilled about coming here now knowing that one year is probably shot and then he's relying on older/injury prone guys to last beyond that.

[Fierce1]

Keep White.

Trade Jrue instead.

JT, Giannis, and White should be the Big 3.

[ddb]

The 2nd apron crap is frustrating. If Brad flips Porzingis, who's entering the final year of his deal to the Pistons, who have cap space, that solves things for both teams. Zinger for Fontecchio. Gets Boston under the 2nd apron. Then Brad can operate with more flexibility & options. He can "big game hunt" and target Giannis, or whoever his heart desires.

For the Pistons, they proved to be tough in that first round match-up against New York. Detroit is not exactly a free agent destination, so adding the high upside Porzingis on a short-term commitment, for basically nothing is a major win for them. When right he gives them a veteran leader who protects the rim and stretches the floor out to the 3pt line. He'd open stuff up even more for Cade making that offense even more dangerous.

Why help the Pistons?

They're a potential playoff opponent.

Fine. Send him to BK

[ddb]

Keep White.

Trade Jrue instead.

JT, Giannis, and White should be the Big 3.

I agree.

[hugepatsfan]

Keep White.

Trade Jrue instead.

JT, Giannis, and White should be the Big 3.

You have to make an offer MIL would even hypothetically be interested in. We can't trade our 2032 pick because of 2nd apron restrictions. Our 28 pick already has swap rights sent to a team most expect to be good by then in Wemby's Spurs. We owe a 2029 pick which prevents reduces the numbers of picks we can send by one since we can't do the '28 and '30 picks. Our draft capital is very light compared to what other teams will offer. Brown is great, but supermax depresses value a ton. We have to include White to make it a competitive offer.

Also, Jrue is probably someone Giannis wants here anyway.

[Celts17Pride]

The 2nd apron crap is frustrating. If Brad flips Porzingis, who's entering the final year of his deal to the Pistons, who have cap space, that solves things for both teams. Zinger for Fontecchio. Gets Boston under the 2nd apron. Then Brad can operate with more flexibility & options. He can "big game hunt" and target Giannis, or whoever his heart desires.

For the Pistons, they proved to be tough in that first round match-up against New York. Detroit is not exactly a free agent destination, so adding the high upside Porzingis on a short-term commitment, for basically nothing is a major win for them. When right he gives them a veteran leader who protects the rim and stretches the floor out to the 3pt line. He'd open stuff up even more for Cade making that offense even more dangerous.

Why help the Pistons?

They're a potential playoff opponent.

Fine. Send him to BK

Brooklyn wants Giannis, doubt they are going to help the Celtics get Giannis.

[Curmudgeon]

But does Giannis want Brooklyn? He might as well stay in Milwaukee and lose there. If he asks for a trade, it won't be to the Nets.

[ddb]

Why help the Pistons?

They're a potential playoff opponent.

Fine. Send him to BK

Brooklyn wants Giannis, doubt they are going to help the Celtics get Giannis.

BK has no shot at landing Giannis. They suck so bad and have nothing on their roster Bucks would want. Yes, they have picks, but remember, Bucks don't own any of their own picks until 2030, I believe. So, tanking isn't really attractive to them. They will most likely want quality established player(s) AND as many picks as they can get to build asset pool. BK has #8, 19, 26, 27 in this draft. Their own in 26. In 27 Houston can swap with BK, and then they have Philly 1st. In 28 they have own first and NYK first. A million 2nd rounders too. So, they have draft capital, but out of all those picks, which one is truly that attractive?

[Celts17Pride]

Fine. Send him to BK

Brooklyn wants Giannis, doubt they are going to help the Celtics get Giannis.

BK has no shot at landing Giannis. They suck so bad and have nothing on their roster Bucks would want. Yes, they have picks, but remember, Bucks don't own any of their own picks until 2030, I believe. So, tanking isn't really attractive to them. They will most likely want quality established player(s) AND as many picks as they can get to build asset pool. BK has #8, 19, 26, 27 in this draft. Their own in 26. In 27 Houston can swap with BK, and then they have Philly 1st. In 28 they have own first and NYK first. A million 2nd rounders too. So, they have draft capital, but out of all those picks, which one is truly that attractive?

Doesn't matter, we have been hearing all year that Brooklyn's #1 priority is getting Giannis. I just highly doubt they now say nevermind let's help him move to Boston.

[Celts17Pride]

But does Giannis want Brooklyn? He might as well stay in Milwaukee and lose there. If he asks for a trade, it won't be to the Nets.

Never said Giannis will go to the Nets but all year long all we have been hearing is Giannis is the Nets #1 priority.

[bucknersrevenge]

I think Brad Stevens and the Celtics strategy is going to be try to stay competitive in 2025/2026 while reducing payroll but make sure the "books" are pretty clear for 2026/2027 when the 1st apron is projected to be $216 million and the 2nd apron projected to be $229 million. That means moving off of Holiday and Hauser's long term deals by acquiring expiring contracts or draft capital. They may keep KP at least until the trade deadline next year.

In 2026/2027 the Celtics could have a core of players Tatum, Brown, White, Pritchard, Scheierman, Kornet, Queta, (2) 1st round draft picks for about $175 million.

Brad Stevens would have a lot room to add to that core and may even extend players like Gafford, Washington if they ever came over in a Holiday trade. I think the Celtics would love to get below the 2nd apron next year but I'm not sure it's a priority. I think it's a priority for 2026/2027 and the way you do it is moving Holiday and Hauser.

Just one person's opinion.

This is a pretty logical rational take that makes a lot of sense. If you can have expiring by next year you can hopefully retool around a good core. The 2 big questions we don't have answers to complicating this whole thing:

1. How long will it take Tatum to get back to the player he was, if at all?

2. How concerning is it that we still don't know what's going on with Jaylen's knee and no decision has yet been made on whether he will have surgery or not?

There is a world in which BOTH our cornerstones come back from injury a lesser version of themselves. That's just reality. But we're not at the point I think where can give up on them. I'd take it easy with Jaylen next year. Play lots of Scheierman. Pritchard, and maybe even see what we have in Davison.

[fallguy]

But does Giannis want Brooklyn? He might as well stay in Milwaukee and lose there. If he asks for a trade, it won't be to the Nets.

Never said Giannis will go to the Nets but all year long all we have been hearing is Giannis is the Nets #1 priority.

The Nets trying for the quick superstar rebuild for a third time would be really funny if only because they seemed doomed to fail at this stuff.

[165bows]

But does Giannis want Brooklyn? He might as well stay in Milwaukee and lose there. If he asks for a trade, it won't be to the Nets.

Never said Giannis will go to the Nets but all year long all we have been hearing is Giannis is the Nets #1 priority.

Either way is fine with me - if the land him I'm not concerned about that team long term and they will need solid rotation guys so a good landing spot for whatever salary needs to get diminished.

[Celts17Pride]

But does Giannis want Brooklyn? He might as well stay in Milwaukee and lose there. If he asks for a trade, it won't be to the Nets.

Never said Giannis will go to the Nets but all year long all we have been hearing is Giannis is the Nets #1 priority.

Either way is fine with me - if the land him I'm not concerned about that team long term and they will need solid rotation guys so a good landing spot for whatever salary needs to get diminished.

My only point is the Nets view Giannis as their #1 priority, real or not. They are not going to be helping any team get Giannis.

[CelticFaninLBC]

If Milwaukee's dealing Giannis, they'll likely want younger guys. Therefore, can't see them wanting to deal with Boston, since JB turns 29 soon and DWhite turns 31 soon.

[Curmudgeon]

But does Giannis want Brooklyn? He might as well stay in Milwaukee and lose there. If he asks for a trade, it won't be to the Nets.

Never said Giannis will go to the Nets but all year long all we have been hearing is Giannis is the Nets #1 priority.

LOL from whom, Nets fans? Or Nets ownership so they can tell their fans "we tried?"

[Celts17Pride]

But does Giannis want Brooklyn? He might as well stay in Milwaukee and lose there. If he asks for a trade, it won't be to the Nets.

Never said Giannis will go to the Nets but all year long all we have been hearing is Giannis is the Nets #1 priority.

LOL from whom, Nets fans? Or Nets ownership so they can tell their fans "we tried?"

Google, you will see it all over the place.

[Celts17Pride]

If Milwaukee's dealing Giannis, they'll likely want younger guys. Therefore, can't see them wanting to deal with Boston, since JB turns 29 soon and DWhite turns 31 soon.

You don't understand, the other 29 teams are just there to help the Boston Celtics. The Nets have gone through this rebuilding process of clearing cap space so at the end of the day they can help the Boston Celtics clear salaries so the Celtics can get Giannis.