Omer Asik Trade - Updated link pg.109

[Captain_Caveman]

Houston gets a rude awakening on Asik's value, which is only going to go down from here.

Every day that passes is one day closer to him being a UFA and makes it more difficult for another team to offset his balloon payment next season. Plus, you know he's not going to take this well, lol. Probably going to become more toxic for them if he goes public with his displeasure, and the whole thing will likely become more of a distraction.

Plus, it hurts their ability to compete this year.

In conclusion...

OMG is that a city bus driver punching a passenger?

Yeah, it was some bus driver in Cleveland who uppercutted some mouthy girl that had spit on him before throwing her off the bus like a sack of potatoes. Was on Worldstar a while back.

NSFW link right here:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEJiUtYUdRo[/youtube]

Suffice to say, dude got fired.
http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ss ... tence.html

[Havlicek17]

I have a gut feeling the deal still goes through.

Typical negotiation...walk away from the table to make sure this is the best deal you are going to get, and then come back and make the deal. It'll likely happen after 4PM today and be announced sometime tomorrow.

Besides, "It's not over until we say it's over"..."Did we quit when the German's bombed Pearl Harbor"...you know the rest.

[Slartibartfast]

Houston gets a rude awakening on Asik's value, which is only going to go down from here.

Every day that passes is one day closer to him being a UFA and makes it more difficult for another team to offset his balloon payment next season. Plus, you know he's not going to take this well, lol. Probably going to become more toxic for them if he goes public with his displeasure, and the whole thing will likely become more of a distraction.

Plus, it hurts their ability to compete this year.

In conclusion...

OMG is that a city bus driver punching a passenger?

Yeah, it was some bus driver in Cleveland who uppercutted some mouthy girl that had spit on him before throwing her off the bus like a sack of potatoes. Was on Worldstar a while back.

NSFW link right here:


Suffice to say, dude got fired.
http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ss ... tence.html

Please guys, keep it on topic. This is just a little too far afield.

[Banks2Pierce]

Can we also be clear that it isn't Houston walking away from the table here, it is everyone else?

Morey tried to get more than a sh-tpile and was never able to. No one blinked.

Definitely. His old boy Hinkie calling him for the 40th time with Spencer freaking Hawes in hand was enough for him to finally just stomp away from the table.

[jfs1000d]

Disappointed. But, celtics need Asik but can't give up flexibility for future moves. What does Houston want? They get 2 proven championship level players for a guy who doesnt want to be there and a pick. Bass and Lee are valuable on the rockets. In an equal world, you wouldn't trade Asik. But, considering the nba, that is a good deal IMO. I don't get it.


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[Fidel Sarcasmo]

I have a gut feeling the deal still goes through.

Your not the only one here that can see through this charade. Morey's using every second of available time on the clock to get maximum value from his players. I'd do the same exact thing if I were in his shoes. No ones picking up the phone though with his demands. They have a trade in place as of a couple days ago, i believe they want a better trade to take place, but the dust has settled.

If Morey does nothing, he could lose his locker room and they're in a win now, compete now for a championship mode. They can't have his demeanor keep clog up the moral over there. It's too important to him that he gets this done.

[soxfan2003]

I liked prime Perkins on offense more then Asik but Asik is better defensively. As for what is a fair offer for Asik? First thing you have to look at is his performance vs his contract.

Asik over the next 1 and 2/3rds seasons is arguably slightly underpaid.

As for Bass/Lee... combined they are probably slightly overpaid considering its probably a buyers market right now.

But the amount they are overpaid and Asik underpaid is not that large so giving up more then the Clippers pick top 12 protected is flat out overpaying to balance out the roster defensively. Bass/Lee appear to be professionals who are easy to coach while one has to question whether Asik in the future would accept a reasonable bench role such as 20-24 mpg....if the Celtics could get someone better. If he would ask for another trade that is a major negative.

Over the next 24 hours, Ainge should not be getting into a bidding war against himself to go for Asik unless he already has other trades *lined up* that turn the Celtics into a championship contender this year with Asik being a component that can't realistically be replaced.

Asik' trade value on Houston at least probably won't go up near the deadline..... It should go down since he will be sitting on the bench a couple more months and teams will only be able to take advantage of his smaller salary this year for half a season instead of 2/3rds a season.

The length of Asik's contract is also a minor negative at least. If you are acquiring a player that isn't a max player and giving up a first rounder, you don't want him to expire after next year. In itself, this isn't the reason to not do a deal but its a real negative.

Unless the Celtics plan to acquire Asik now and trade him at the deadline, a deal like this only makes sense IMHO if Ainge is willing to go all in this season.

Ideally Asik would have 2 more years left on his deal after this one or if you were real confident in his abilities/health 3 years after this one. But after next year, he may be paid more going forward since he will go into those contract negotiations as a starter and that is not such a good thing.

[GreenMachine]

I have no idea if this goes down or not... But I find it hilarious that people believe Anything GMs put out about trades. How soon we forget. How many times did the Clips "walk away" over the summer..?

[CelticFaninLBC]

This is about as bad as dealing with Donald Sterling.

Can't see what Houston thinks they're going to get that's better with New Orleans and Atlanta not wanting to deal Anderson & Milsap, and Cleveland and Philly seeming to need a 3rd team to spin Asik to.

The Lakers appear to have offered Gasol, but him and Dwight didn't work last year, and I don't think LA has a draft pick to offer to go along with Jordan Hill & Steve Blake, as they owe 2015 and 2017 picks.

Portland appears interested, but doesn't have much to offer, and could also be a team Houston faces deep in the playoff, so not sure Houston wants to help improve Portland.

[CelticFaninLBC]

I have a gut feeling the deal still goes through.

Your not the only one here that can see through this charade. Morey's using every second of available time on the clock to get maximum value from his players. I'd do the same exact thing if I were in his shoes. No ones picking up the phone though with his demands. They have a trade in place as of a couple days ago, i believe they want a better trade to take place, but the dust has settled.

If Morey does nothing, he could lose his locker room and they're in a win now, compete now for a championship mode. They can't have his demeanor keep clog up the moral over there. It's too important to him that he gets this done.

Just a matter of time before Dwight starts whining.

[SuperDeluxe]

Since that comment is for me

You are not the only one around here who doesn't hold Morey in high regard Our lack of patience as a fanbase has been manifested by derising Morey for having a lot of patience. The guy is doing a fine job trying to get the best bang for the buck. He has until the trade deadline to jettison the dead weight. If he thinks Asik will be toxic in the meantime, he can simply separate him from the team and send him home.

[jfs1000d]

This is about as bad as dealing with Donald Sterling.

Can't see what Houston thinks they're going to get that's better with New Orleans and Atlanta not wanting to deal Anderson & Milsap, and Cleveland and Philly seeming to need a 3rd team to spin Asik to.

The Lakers appear to have offered Gasol, but him and Dwight didn't work last year, and I don't think LA has a draft pick to offer to go along with Jordan Hill & Steve Blake, as they owe 2015 and 2017 picks.

Portland appears interested, but doesn't have much to offer, and could also be a team Houston faces deep in the playoff, so not sure Houston wants to help improve Portland.

Exactly. I doubt a better deal comes along. Celtics are giving up 2 rotation players for a straying role prayer. Asik is useless with d12 there. Cut your losses and get useful parts.


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[2Mas]

Disappointed. But, celtics need Asik but can't give up flexibility for future moves. What does Houston want? They get 2 proven championship level players for a guy who doesnt want to be there and a pick. Bass and Lee are valuable on the rockets. In an equal world, you wouldn't trade Asik. But, considering the nba, that is a good deal IMO. I don't get it.


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Agreed. I don't think it fills a huge need though. Backup center is still pretty weak.

Beverly-Lin-Brooks
Harden-Lee
Parsons-Garcia-Casspi
Bass-Jones
Howard-Smith-Donatas

[jfs1000d]

Since that comment is for me

You are not the only one around here who doesn't hold Morey in high regard Our lack of patience as a fanbase has been manifested by derising Morey for having a lot of patience. The guy is doing a fine job trying to get the best bang for the buck. He has until the trade deadline to jettison the dead weight. If he thinks Asik will be toxic in the meantime, he can simply separate him from the team and send him home.

I disagree. Asik is a distraction. Team chemistry is a problem and it takes away from team cohesion. These aren't just assets. These are people with emotions. This has consequences if he walks away.


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[000078ude54]

Since that comment is for me

You are not the only one around here who doesn't hold Morey in high regard Our lack of patience as a fanbase has been manifested by derising Morey for having a lot of patience. The guy is doing a fine job trying to get the best bang for the buck. He has until the trade deadline to jettison the dead weight. If he thinks Asik will be toxic in the meantime, he can simply separate him from the team and send him home.

You say Morey is patient, I say Morey is inept.

And again, my criticism is not fanbase rollercoaster. It's essentially that when a GM makes nonsense out of sense, he's an idiot.

It's for that reason that I think Sam Presti is an idiot, too.

Edit: While I'm thinking about it, what has Morey done that even qualifies him to be a GM besides benefit from Presti's idiocy with the Harden trade, overbid for Asik and Lin, and benefit from Dwight Howard's shrinking man act in L.A.?

[CelticFaninLBC]

Disappointed. But, celtics need Asik but can't give up flexibility for future moves. What does Houston want? They get 2 proven championship level players for a guy who doesnt want to be there and a pick. Bass and Lee are valuable on the rockets. In an equal world, you wouldn't trade Asik. But, considering the nba, that is a good deal IMO. I don't get it.


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Agreed. I don't think it fills a huge need though. Backup center is still pretty weak.

Beverly-Lin-Brooks
Harden-Lee
Parsons-Garcia-Casspi
Bass-Jones
Howard-Smith-Donatas

They fill 2 needs and also get a pick. I highly doubt Philly's going to hand over Hawes, Young and a pick for a guy who doesn't even want to play for Houston.

[CollegeToPros]

Since that comment is for me

You are not the only one around here who doesn't hold Morey in high regard Our lack of patience as a fanbase has been manifested by derising Morey for having a lot of patience. The guy is doing a fine job trying to get the best bang for the buck. He has until the trade deadline to jettison the dead weight. If he thinks Asik will be toxic in the meantime, he can simply separate him from the team and send him home.

Sending him home ends in a buy out. His lack of play now ability will turn off a lot of teams.

Offer stands as Bass and Lee and 2nd I bet.

[Fidel Sarcasmo]

In Morey's or anyones elses defense, you have to become a spokesman for your self interests once you are wearing those shoes. It's a GM's job to be biased sometimes. They're at the poker table

[Who-rod]

I liked prime Perkins on offense more then Asik but Asik is better defensively. As for what is a fair offer for Asik? First thing you have to look at is his performance vs his contract.

Asik over the next 1 and 2/3rds seasons is arguably slightly underpaid.

As for Bass/Lee... combined they are probably slightly overpaid considering its probably a buyers market right now.

But the amount they are overpaid and Asik underpaid is not that large so giving up more then the Clippers pick top 12 protected is flat out overpaying to balance out the roster defensively. Bass/Lee appear to be professionals who are easy to coach while one has to question whether Asik in the future would accept a reasonable bench role such as 20-24 mpg....if the Celtics could get someone better. If he would ask for another trade that is a major negative.

Over the next 24 hours, Ainge should not be getting into a bidding war against himself to go for Asik unless he already has other trades *lined up* that turn the Celtics into a championship contender this year with Asik being a component that can't realistically be replaced.

Asik' trade value on Houston at least probably won't go up near the deadline..... It should go down since he will be sitting on the bench a couple more months and teams will only be able to take advantage of his smaller salary this year for half a season instead of 2/3rds a season.

The length of Asik's contract is also a minor negative at least. If you are acquiring a player that isn't a max player and giving up a first rounder, you don't want him to expire after next year. In itself, this isn't the reason to not do a deal but its a real negative.

Unless the Celtics plan to acquire Asik now and trade him at the deadline, a deal like this only makes sense IMHO if Ainge is willing to go all in this season.

Ideally Asik would have 2 more years left on his deal after this one or if you were real confident in his abilities/health 3 years after this one. But after next year, he may be paid more going forward since he will go into those contract negotiations as a starter and that is not such a good thing.

I disagree on "prime Perk offense". Perk cannot catch the ball. I can't even count how many times Rondo hit him in the hands for an open dunk, and his process of gathering for the dunk led to either a strip turnover, a cumbersome pass back out, or a scrum. Asik does not have the best hands, but they are much better, and I think Rondo would get the best out of him.

[rickrolled]

If Morey calls Ainge again, the latter should take the pick out from the initial offer.

I'll happily eat crow, and admit he's a G. If he still offers the same package then he's no G.

He needs to humiliate Morey to earn his G status.