Trade Ideas Thread

[24istheLAW]

With Waiters I wonder to what extent he's ACTUALLY a cancer or a bad presence, and to what extent his branding as such is just the Cavs sticking by Kyrie (who despite his PG label doesn't strike me as any better a distributor than Waiters... Waiters looks good as a P&R ballhandler to me).

That said I'm not trading AB for Waiters alone. AB is more valuable to the Cavs than he is to any team in the league. He would have a star-like impact playing off of LeBron/Love/Kyrie on offense, and defending the ball next to Kyrie Irving on defense. He would fit that team like a glove. If I'm going to give the Cavs the missing piece to be 2014 champs then I better get a King's ransom for it.

[BleedGreen1989]

Credible? http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... n-waiters/

Again, it’s more of a frustration because overall he’s not a bad guy. It would be different if he was causing major strife within the locker room. He’s not. He’s just drawing a lot of eye rolls.

Im not exactly sticking up for Waiters. i could care less if we acquired him but i think people just love to pile on some guys.

We should know all too well as Rondo has been a victim of this for a long time.

[Valid]

Credible? http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... n-waiters/

Again, it’s more of a frustration because overall he’s not a bad guy. It would be different if he was causing major strife within the locker room. He’s not. He’s just drawing a lot of eye rolls.

Im not exactly sticking up for Waiters. i could care less if we acquired him but i think people just love to pile on some guys.

We should know all too well as Rondo has been a victim of this for a long time.

It's not piling on. He is a headcase.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-bas ... n-the-game

You really want a guy like that around young players?

Rondo was never that bad, not to mention the fact that Rondo was so good that you could put up with his mercurial personality.

[BleedGreen1989]

Credible? http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... n-waiters/

Again, it’s more of a frustration because overall he’s not a bad guy. It would be different if he was causing major strife within the locker room. He’s not. He’s just drawing a lot of eye rolls.

Im not exactly sticking up for Waiters. i could care less if we acquired him but i think people just love to pile on some guys.

We should know all too well as Rondo has been a victim of this for a long time.

It's not piling on. He is a headcase.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-bas ... n-the-game

You really want a guy like that around young players?

Rondo was never that bad, not to mention the fact that Rondo was so good that you could put up with his mercurial personality.

I wouldn't say i want Waiters. Was just curious as to the extent of his antics.

[BleedGreen1989]

What do you guys think of Jeff Green for McDermott/filler?

[Valid]

What do you guys think of Jeff Green for McDermott/filler?

Not a huge fan of McDermott, but seeing as how we are likely going to get crap offers for Green anyway, might as well pull the trigger if Chicago offers that package.

The question is, would the Bulls want to trade away their rookie for a year of Green (they definitely wouldn't re-sign him)? I'm not so sure.

[jbk1234]

Credible? http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... n-waiters/

Exactly. And that was last year. Things haven't gotten any better for him this season despite having a seasoned veteran like LeBron leading the team. Stay far, far away from this dude. He's not the kind of influence I want around our young players.

From the article:

"This isn’t to pile on Waiters or put all the blame on him, but his behavior was the most evident tonight and the whispers from other players growing tired of his act seem to be growing louder. Again, it’s more of a frustration because overall he’s not a bad guy. It would be different if he was causing major strife within the locker room. He’s not. He’s just drawing a lot of eye rolls."

[bbd24]

How many names has been Ainge tied to rumor wise in the past ?

Mayo
Waiters
Jordan

I know there's a ton more, can anybody add to this ?

I think Ainge goes hard after some of the players he wanted in the past. Jordan won't be available of course, but I'm wondering who will be.

[Valid]

Credible? http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... n-waiters/

Exactly. And that was last year. Things haven't gotten any better for him this season despite having a seasoned veteran like LeBron leading the team. Stay far, far away from this dude. He's not the kind of influence I want around our young players.

From the article:

"This isn’t to pile on Waiters or put all the blame on him, but his behavior was the most evident tonight and the whispers from other players growing tired of his act seem to be growing louder. Again, it’s more of a frustration because overall he’s not a bad guy. It would be different if he was causing major strife within the locker room. He’s not. He’s just drawing a lot of eye rolls."

And? If your argument for him not being a headcase is that he is drawing eye rolls instead of fists, I think that pretty much says it all. It also clearly stated that they were "tired of his act." Pretty damning, if you ask me.

Also, explain him saying he was angry before even getting into games this year?

[Valid]

How many names has been Ainge tied to rumor wise in the past ?

Mayo
Waiters
Jordan

I know there's a ton more, can anybody add to this ?

I think Ainge goes hard after some of the players he wanted in the past. Jordan won't be available of course, but I'm wondering who will be.

Circumstances change.

He went after Mayo several years ago when it looked like Mayo could still develop into a good player. I also don't remember any definitive rumors of him being after Waiters. I think that was all just speculation, no?

[KamikazeK]

I don't think Waiters is right for this team.

[jbk1234]

Exactly. And that was last year. Things haven't gotten any better for him this season despite having a seasoned veteran like LeBron leading the team. Stay far, far away from this dude. He's not the kind of influence I want around our young players.

From the article:

"This isn’t to pile on Waiters or put all the blame on him, but his behavior was the most evident tonight and the whispers from other players growing tired of his act seem to be growing louder. Again, it’s more of a frustration because overall he’s not a bad guy. It would be different if he was causing major strife within the locker room. He’s not. He’s just drawing a lot of eye rolls."

And? If your argument for him not being a headcase is that he is drawing eye rolls instead of fists, I think that pretty much says it all. It also clearly stated that they were "tired of his act." Pretty damning, if you ask me.

Also, explain him saying he was angry before even getting into games this year?

Look, the Cavs were suppose to be a playoff team who under performed badly last year. One of the only players who didn't quit was Waiters. Was he chirping when other players were mailing it in 40 point blow outs? Yep. Should he have been the one to do it? Probably not. Was anyone else doing it? Nope. But things got so bad with Cavs players giving half-hearted efforts, Mike Brown, who is one of the biggest wussie coaches in the league, left the starters out of a game for an entire second half when Waiters led a 20 point come back against the Lakers.

I would not want to be SG who had to play next to Kyrie Irving his first two years in the league and neither would you. Watching Kyrie play hero ball in wins is one thing. Watching Kyrie play hero ball in one loss after another is something quite different.

Kyrie got injured last year and Waiters started next to Jack. He put up all-star level numbers (really look at his post all star break splits). When the Cavs got into striking distance of the playoffs, Kyrie was "better" and got his starting job back. The Cavs lost some critical games and ended up in the lottery again. Dion finished with a better FG% on the year. Kyrie was rewarded with a max contract and Dion was rewarded with returning to the bench. Was he happy about it? Nope. Would you be?

I'll share another story with you that didn't make the national media but was reported by Jason Lloyd. The first game Dion was moved to the sixth man role (which doesn't really exist on this team as currently constructed) was against the Utah Jazz. Kyrie was expressly told by the coach, in front of the team, that his job was to get Love and James going first, and then worry about his shots. Kyrie scored 34 points and has zero assists in a loss to the Jazz. To the friggin Jazz. Dion barely got any run. Name a player who wouldn't be pissed?

[Valid]

I don't think Waiters is right for this team.

Definitely not.

I may have taken a chance on him a couple of years ago when KG and Pierce were still here, but now? When we're trying to build from the ground up while still maintaining a positive atmosphere? Hell no.

[laploutocratie]

As with McGee and other immature players, we don't have the vet presence requisite to handle guys like Waiters. Also, McDermott looked awfully slow and clueless out there in real games. Not a big fan of him either.

We should be trying to trade off Wright to a contender for a 1st round pick, if possible.

Cleveland? Atlanta? Miami? Portland? All seem like viable options for a Wright trade for me. Sell him while his value is highest, because his efficiency ratings will fall here.

[Valid]

From the article:

"This isn’t to pile on Waiters or put all the blame on him, but his behavior was the most evident tonight and the whispers from other players growing tired of his act seem to be growing louder. Again, it’s more of a frustration because overall he’s not a bad guy. It would be different if he was causing major strife within the locker room. He’s not. He’s just drawing a lot of eye rolls."

And? If your argument for him not being a headcase is that he is drawing eye rolls instead of fists, I think that pretty much says it all. It also clearly stated that they were "tired of his act." Pretty damning, if you ask me.

Also, explain him saying he was angry before even getting into games this year?

Look, the Cavs were suppose to be a playoff team who under performed badly last year. One of the only players who didn't quit was Waiters. Was he chirping when other players were mailing it in 40 point blow outs? Yep. Should he have been the one to do it? Probably not. Was anyone else doing it? Nope. But things got so bad with Cavs players giving half-hearted efforts, Mike Brown, who is one of the biggest wussie coaches in the league, left the starters out of a game for an entire second half when Waiters led a 20 point come back against the Lakers.

I would not want to be SG who had to play next to Kyrie Irving his first two years in the league and neither would you. Watching Kyrie play hero ball in wins is one thing. Watching Kyrie play hero ball in one loss after another is something quite different.

Kyrie got injured last year and Waiters started next to Jack. He put up all-star level numbers (really look at his post all star break splits). When the Cavs got into striking distance of the playoffs, Kyrie was "better" and got his starting job back. The Cavs lost some critical games and ended up in the lottery again. Dion finished with a better FG% on the year. Kyrie was rewarded with a max contract and Dion was rewarded with returning to the bench. Was he happy about it? Nope. Would you be?

I'll share another story with you that didn't make the national media but was reported by Jason Lloyd. The first game Dion was moved to the sixth man role (which doesn't really exist on this team as currently constructed) was against the Utah Jazz. Kyrie was expressly told by the coach, in front of the team, that his job was to get Love and James going first, and then worry about his shots. Kyrie scored 34 points and has zero assists in a loss to the Jazz. To the friggin Jazz. Dion barely got any run. Name a player who wouldn't be pissed?

I don't care about Kyrie Irving. He is absolutely a better player than Dion Waiters and the fact that you are essentially saying that Waiters had a right to be upset with Irving being rewarded with a max contract while he went to he bench is ridiculous. Irving is extremely marketable and clearly has a higher ceiling. Plus, locking him up was key to luring LeBron back.

Just because one player on the team may not be going about his business right (in this case, Irving) does not mean you sit there and sulk.

Sorry, but I can't agree with you on this. I don't want Waiters anywhere NEAR a young Celtics team.

[jbk1234]

And? If your argument for him not being a headcase is that he is drawing eye rolls instead of fists, I think that pretty much says it all. It also clearly stated that they were "tired of his act." Pretty damning, if you ask me.

Also, explain him saying he was angry before even getting into games this year?

Look, the Cavs were suppose to be a playoff team who under performed badly last year. One of the only players who didn't quit was Waiters. Was he chirping when other players were mailing it in 40 point blow outs? Yep. Should he have been the one to do it? Probably not. Was anyone else doing it? Nope. But things got so bad with Cavs players giving half-hearted efforts, Mike Brown, who is one of the biggest wussie coaches in the league, left the starters out of a game for an entire second half when Waiters led a 20 point come back against the Lakers.

I would not want to be SG who had to play next to Kyrie Irving his first two years in the league and neither would you. Watching Kyrie play hero ball in wins is one thing. Watching Kyrie play hero ball in one loss after another is something quite different.

Kyrie got injured last year and Waiters started next to Jack. He put up all-star level numbers (really look at his post all star break splits). When the Cavs got into striking distance of the playoffs, Kyrie was "better" and got his starting job back. The Cavs lost some critical games and ended up in the lottery again. Dion finished with a better FG% on the year. Kyrie was rewarded with a max contract and Dion was rewarded with returning to the bench. Was he happy about it? Nope. Would you be?

I'll share another story with you that didn't make the national media but was reported by Jason Lloyd. The first game Dion was moved to the sixth man role (which doesn't really exist on this team as currently constructed) was against the Utah Jazz. Kyrie was expressly told by the coach, in front of the team, that his job was to get Love and James going first, and then worry about his shots. Kyrie scored 34 points and has zero assists in a loss to the Jazz. To the friggin Jazz. Dion barely got any run. Name a player who wouldn't be pissed?

I don't care about Kyrie Irving. He is absolutely a better player than Dion Waiters and the fact that you are essentially saying that Waiters had a right to be upset with Irving being rewarded with a max contract while he went to he bench is ridiculous. Irving is extremely marketable and clearly has a higher ceiling. Plus, locking him up was key to luring LeBron back.

Just because one player on the team may not be going about his business right (in this case, Irving) does not mean you sit there and sulk.

Sorry, but I can't agree with you on this.

I have yet to see the successful organization that has said there is one set of rules for this young player and a different set of rules for our other young players. It doesn't work. Teams with winning cultures don't roll like that. This is what happens. Give me the less diplomatic player who won't quit every time.

You don't have to agree. But wait for LBJ and Kyrie to start butting heads next. It's coming.

[bbd24]

With Ainge pulling the trigger on a deal prior to the deadline of 12/19, it makes you wonder who he's looking at flipping before the February deadline.

What could Green, Wright, & a first round pick land you ?

[BRUNiNHO91]

With Ainge pulling the trigger on a deal prior to the deadline of 12/19, it makes you wonder who he's looking at flipping before the February deadline.

What could Green, Wright, & a first round pick land you ?

I was actually thinking about what type of value some sort of package like that had. The first team that came to mind was the Clippers. In a perfect world if San Antonio went ahead of them and OKC starts creeping up on them in the next month or so, I wonder if they would take a Green, Wright and their first back for DeAndre Jordan. He's a free agent next season, might be looking for big money which they might not want to give. They are super crappy at the SF position and Jeff would fill an immediate need while Wright can sort of be a poor man's DJ for them but cheaper. A defense led by Smart, Bradley and DJ would be pretty remarkable to have.

[FlatearthZorro]

The most pleasent surprise, imo, would be if Ainge somehow manages to trade Bradley and maybe signs a guy like Reggie Jackson in the summer.....

Do it Ainge, trade Bradley + maybe Bass, cause our frontcourt is crowded anyways.

[FlatearthZorro]

With Ainge pulling the trigger on a deal prior to the deadline of 12/19, it makes you wonder who he's looking at flipping before the February deadline.

What could Green, Wright, & a first round pick land you ?

If it's OKC, I'd say just trade Bradley + pick for Jackson + expiring, then trade Bass to a contender for a 2nd rounder and TPE(or whatever)...