Last Train to Celticsville Trade Thread

[chrisab123]

I am not convinced Mithcell's ready for prime time Smart is just a solid vet player and he is signed and would have value at the draft as well if you want to flip him. He would certainly provide and attitude adjustment and be a low usage compliment to Haliburton.

I don't get this Smart = attitude upgrade talk. The Celtics have been criticized for their attitude issues the last three years. Smart has been central to these issues. What makes anyone here think that injecting Smart into a locker room would turn a group of losers into winners? And what makes anyone here think the other front offices haven't caught onto this?

Because Marcus plays Hahd and makes winning plays. Duh

[bucknersrevenge]

I think the player Sacramento should be trying to move is Fox. But if you want Fox, you have to taker Hield also. That gets the Kings out from under two huge overpays. They've got Halliburton and Davion Mitchell, so they don't really need Fox.

The Celtics could offer Horford, Juancho, Richardson and Langford. That saves the Kings about $140M and puts the Celtics deep into the luxury tax through 2024 at least.

But Fox, Tatum, Brown, Hield and R. Williams, with Smart off the bench, would look good on paper. After about 10 games Smart would be starting and Hield would be sitting, but that's a separate issue.

I think they'll get offers for better talent than that and I'd think that's the avenue that they would go in over cap relief.

...but it's the Kings. So who knows.

What better talent? What team can match 50M in expiring salary and send more talent as well? Richardson and Langford are decent NBA players who don't cost alot.

Houston could offer John Wall and Christian Wood, but that only saves $100M and Wall would be behind Halliburton anyway.

They could try to split them up in smaller deals perhaps. Try to maximize the return of each player. And again, what if they're not that interested in expiring talent? Saving money means nothing if you can't draw free agents to your team. I think that's why the Simmons deal holds so much appeal.

[Curmudgeon]

If the split Fox and Hield into smaller deals they will be stuck with Hield.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Any Smart trade will be a major hit to the (top 5) defense! And his 'attitude' isn't doing anything for the team either way. It's not hurting anything but if we dealt him it wouldn't be like moving Perk.

[GoCeltics123]

I would like Barnes on the team very much but considering the team has signaled they're going to duck the tax, I doubt they'll make a move for either of them

[LightTheBeam]

From a Kings fan whose read the last few pages. Keep in mind we are Sacramento. Moving Fox + Barnes with the main incentive being "saving money" isn't really incentive at all. We don't attract free agents, and we aren't in the tax. Team may move Buddy in a move to save money, but not moving Barnes + Fox to do so.

[LightTheBeam]

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That guy in the Kings thread is soo full of SHIII

I've called him out 100x, the mods basically just say to ignore it. I'm not the only one either, we lost probably 3-5 solid members when he first popped around a few years back. Everyone got tired of blatant lies tying up the thread.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Would Horford/Juancho/filler for Barnes/Buddy - in theory - actually make us any better

Yes

I hate both those contracts but you have to take that deal and run.

Barnes' money is fine - he's due 18 million next year and then he's done. Buddy's making more money with an extra year, isn't as good at his best and is in a horrible "slump" this season.

Barnes is decent, but why do the Kings want to trade these guys? It's not "fit". They're ok players who don't move the needle. If Barnes were as good as his market, their record would be better. Barnes is a nice piece for a team like Chicago, he shores up their rotation.

I'd do it if a third team's dumb, desperate or optimistic enough to take Hield. I don't know of one. Cleveland? Indiana? The desperate Lakers, in a four-team deal where Russ goes anywhere but here? The Knicks? Blazers?

Horford/Juancho/Nesmith to SAC
Hield, Bruno-or-Freedumb (love his politics, hate the new name) to PDX
Barnes, Nurkic, Covington to BOS?

Blazers would need to have a separate McCollum deal ready to go..

[Hal14]

I would like Barnes on the team very much but considering the team has signaled they're going to duck the tax, I doubt they'll make a move for either of them

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[Andrew McCeltic]

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That guy in the Kings thread is soo full of SHIII

I've called him out 100x, the mods basically just say to ignore it. I'm not the only one either, we lost probably 3-5 solid members when he first popped around a few years back. Everyone got tired of blatant lies tying up the thread.

It's entertaining, sometimes. And he's really committed to the bit. But Jesus f*ck it's stupid. You have to hope he's full of sh*t, otherwise the Kings FO is chicken with its head cut off dumb.

[Andrew McCeltic]

I would like Barnes on the team very much but considering the team has signaled they're going to duck the tax, I doubt they'll make a move for either of them

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Small TPEs or the big one? Doesn't mean fireworks - they're in the tax right now, so either they've got deals to trim salary and then break even using the TPEs or they're going to use one of the smaller exceptions. No way they add 17+ million (like 28 if they used all three) to run a little faster on the treadmill. It's PR to make fans happy and a way to broaden trade conversations.

[LightTheBeam]

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That guy in the Kings thread is soo full of SHIII

I've called him out 100x, the mods basically just say to ignore it. I'm not the only one either, we lost probably 3-5 solid members when he first popped around a few years back. Everyone got tired of blatant lies tying up the thread.

It's entertaining, sometimes. And he's really committed to the bit. But Jesus f*ck it's stupid. You have to hope he's full of sh*t, otherwise the Kings FO is chicken with its head cut off dumb.

Hes so committed. First of all, his typing is god awful. I refuse to believe Kings management is feeding information to someone who puts a space before every period. LOL

Second, not a single thing hes said has ever come to pass. Its mostly just been "it could happen but trades fall apart all the time". Its just a collection of wiretap, reddit, random twitter conversations, then merged into "credible rumors that may or may not happen".

Id imagine hes a bored kid who initially started it out as a troll. When he was called out and the mods defended him, he kept up the bit and hasn't let it up. You would think after 3 years of spewing nonsense it would be stopped, but I guess the board is so dead nobody cares enough.

[GoCeltics123]

I would like Barnes on the team very much but considering the team has signaled they're going to duck the tax, I doubt they'll make a move for either of them

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From Jake Fischer yesterday:

Boston is expected to avoid the tax and therefore likely won't be able to afford the point guard this offseason, which was also why the Celtics moved Daniel Theis to the Bulls last season. New York, Cleveland and Dallas have been mentioned as potential destinations for Schroder.

I think they were planning on being a tax team but the losses shifted the convo the other way

[Andrew McCeltic]

What are the New York and Cleveland scenarios that get us under the tax? DS alone doesn't do it, Juancho has to go out too

[GoCeltics123]

That guy in the Kings thread is soo full of SHIII

I've called him out 100x, the mods basically just say to ignore it. I'm not the only one either, we lost probably 3-5 solid members when he first popped around a few years back. Everyone got tired of blatant lies tying up the thread.

It's entertaining, sometimes. And he's really committed to the bit. But Jesus f*ck it's stupid. You have to hope he's full of sh*t, otherwise the Kings FO is chicken with its head cut off dumb.

Hes so committed. First of all, his typing is god awful. I refuse to believe Kings management is feeding information to someone who puts a space before every period. LOL

Second, not a single thing hes said has ever come to pass. Its mostly just been "it could happen but trades fall apart all the time". Its just a collection of wiretap, reddit, random twitter conversations, then merged into "credible rumors that may or may not happen".

Id imagine hes a bored kid who initially started it out as a troll. When he was called out and the mods defended him, he kept up the bit and hasn't let it up. You would think after 3 years of spewing nonsense it would be stopped, but I guess the board is so dead nobody cares enough.

What did he say? Was his inside info like the Kings are trading for LeBron or some ****? Lol

[GoCeltics123]

What are the New York and Cleveland scenarios that get us under the tax? DS alone doesn't do it, Juancho has to go out too

We waived Jabari so trading DS gets us under.

Jake did say today apparently that the C's want to trade Dennis for a young player like Jalen Smith and likely use Juancho to get under the tax

[Andrew McCeltic]

What are the New York and Cleveland scenarios that get us under the tax? DS alone doesn't do it, Juancho has to go out too

We waived Jabari so trading DS gets us under.

Jake did say today apparently that the C's want to trade Dennis for a young player like Jalen Smith and likely use Juancho to get under the tax

Great if they can do it, but who's taking Hernangomez?

[GoGreen]

Amendment to my previous trade proposal:

Didn't realize Gallo's age, no bueno. I'm trying to bring in shooting, and I think Bogi for Marcus could work for both teams. But that leaves us without a PG, which is why i think the big moves come the off season where we can get Brogdan.

Bogi for Marcus, Richardson/Juancho for Hield and a 1st rd pick (Buddy is having a down yr, has a huge contract and is a huge bonehead, but he can shoot the lights out).

Then, a 1st rounder and Horf for Brogdan. Pacers take the likely mid 1st (or late lotto) pick for the rebuild, and keep under the tax buying out Al.

Brogdan/Pritch
Bogi/Buddy
JB/Nesmith
JT/Grant
Rob/Enes

That bench is very, very intriguing. It could really work out or be a total nightmare lol. Potential shooting 1-4 but also a lot of "what ifs"

[Andrew McCeltic]

OKC is way under the cap, JH and 1-2 second rounders into their cap space? Could add Nesmith and take back one of their cheaper young guys too.. Theo Maledon? Or you could try to get Mike Muscala, depends on Aaron's value.

[snowman]

I like the idea of getting Jeff Green and Jalen Smith for the rest of the year. Surely couldn't cost that much. Green would be a scoring punch off the bench, and being able to give Jalen Smith a try before you buy sounds good to me. Beside's you can never have too many Jaysons, Jaylens or Jalens. lol Hernangomez, Schroder and a couple 2nd's in some version for Smith and Green.

Maybe something like this:

Boston send Schroder to Atlanta
Boston sends Hernangomez and future 2nd to Phoe

Phoe sends Jalen Smith to Boston
Denver send Jeff Green to Boston

Atlanta sends Kevin Knox to Denver (if he can be moved this quickly)

This would also take 3,839,815.00 off our amount being over the lux tax of 5,718,281.00 leaving only 1,878,466.00 over the lux tax.

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