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2024 NBA Draft Thread – (June 26 & 27)

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With the Draft going to 2 Days. Would you like to see a 3rd Round added, for Two-Ways, etc?

Add a 3rd Round.
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Keep it at 2 Rounds.
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Add more than a 3rd Round.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1301 » by Hal14 » Tue May 21, 2024 10:38 pm

165bows wrote:I think the Celtics, along with maybe 3-5 other teams, can integrate a 4 that doesn't shoot into the rotation as well as anyone. So it's nice to be able to take advantage of the value presented by a good player who's maybe a tougher fit for most teams.

I'm not sure I fully agree with that.

a) I'm assuming you're saying that because we typically have a 5 on the floor who can shoot (KP, al) but keep in mind KP is injured *a lot* and Al will be 38 next season which means he will likely have reduced mins, sit out more games. And whoever we draft..chances are they won't see meaningful mins until the 25-26 season at the earliest - by that time, there; a good chance Al will be retired..and who knows, KP could be playing elsewhere by then..he only has 1 more year left on his contract.

b) Regardless of who else is on the team, or who else in on the floor, players in the modern NBA often have trouble seeing the floor if they can't shoot. They could end up being a liability on offense if they get the ball and will not shoot it. Sure, there might be some exceptions but you don't have to worry about hoping a guy you draft can be the exception to the rule if you draft a guy who can shoot.

165bows wrote:But also they've been pretty explicit that they draft or sign guys with the goal of developing skills, and shooting is as easy to improve as anything else (a guy is much more likely to go up a couple levels shooting-wise than in size or athleticism for example).

Case in point is Yam Madar, guy was a sub 30% 3 point shooter when they drafted him and he's hit 40%+ from three for like three years in a row now.

Sure, the Celtics have shown over the past few yrs that they don't mind drafting guys with suspect shooting (romeo, grant, Madar, Davison, Begarin, Walsh).

But each of those suspect shooters at least showed the ability to shoot *a little bit* before being drafted by Boston. Whether they made 30% from 3 or 26% or 28% or whatever, it was a low % but it was at least *something* and the volume was at least decent. Mogbo on the other hand is a complete non-shooter. Doesn't even shoot a little bit. Played 2 yrs of D-I college ball and made *zero* threes..only attempted 2 shots from deep. Not 2 attempts per game. 2 attempts total..in 2 seasons.

Plus those guys Boston drafted who were suspect shooters were all 18, 19 or 20 yrs old so were earlier in their development (meaning there was more of a chance they would improve their shooting)..Mogbo will be like 22 and a half on draft night.

With that being said, I think some people are misinterpreting my post about Mogbo. I like Mogbo as a prospect. I think there's some intriguing things he brings to the table. I never said to not draft Mogbo.

I'm just saying that due to being a non-shooter on a team that shoots more 3's than anyone in the league..and since we already have a bunch of other non-shooters or suspect shooters (Walsh, Tillman, Queta, Springer, Brissett, KOrnet) and when you also factor in Mogbo is an undersized big, an older prospect who played vs weaker competition in a mid-major conference, I would not use a high draft pick on him.

Mid to late 2nd round, sure - I'd take a flier on him. But not higher than that. If we use a pick in the top 40, I think we can do better - that's all..
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1302 » by djFan71 » Wed May 22, 2024 3:50 am

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I like DaRon Holmes a lot. I think he’s like poormans RobWill as ball mover and rim finisher, but less athletic, less wingspan. But also a little bit crossed with poormans Pascal Siakam, can dribble drive, spin moves off the bounce, post footwork, takes 3s but probably not an elite %.

He’s maybe too small or to unskilled to hit, which is why he MIGHT be there at pick 30. But if he hits, he has a chance to be really good.

And he’s in the mold of player that really vibes with JT.

How is he defending on the perimeter on switches? That seems to be the make or break skill for his size. He's gotta be able to survive out there, then you can live with other deficiencies, esp on offense. But, if he doesn't have the lateral quickness, nor the size, then I'm not sure how you use him defensively.

I wouldn't say Holmes is elite at it, but he definitely showed quite a few intriguing flashes of switchability this past season.

Also, size-wise Holmes is similar to guys like Capela, Okongwu, Richaun Holmes, Dwight Powell and Kevon Looney - none of whom are great defending switches..

Holmes has the potential to be a more switchable defender than those guys..not to mention he's the only one of the group who can shoot from 3 (Okongwu started to shoot a little bit this season..)

25-35 range is about where Holmes should go, imo.

He's definitely on my list, but think he'll probably go right before us.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1303 » by RickyDizzle » Wed May 22, 2024 2:28 pm

djFan71 wrote:
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djFan71 wrote:How is he defending on the perimeter on switches? That seems to be the make or break skill for his size. He's gotta be able to survive out there, then you can live with other deficiencies, esp on offense. But, if he doesn't have the lateral quickness, nor the size, then I'm not sure how you use him defensively.

I wouldn't say Holmes is elite at it, but he definitely showed quite a few intriguing flashes of switchability this past season.

Also, size-wise Holmes is similar to guys like Capela, Okongwu, Richaun Holmes, Dwight Powell and Kevon Looney - none of whom are great defending switches..

Holmes has the potential to be a more switchable defender than those guys..not to mention he's the only one of the group who can shoot from 3 (Okongwu started to shoot a little bit this season..)

25-35 range is about where Holmes should go, imo.

He's definitely on my list, but think he'll probably go right before us.


He checks more or less every box of what we could hope for with the last pick in the round. That probably means he's gone but he'd be very high on my list.
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Post#1304 » by Larry_Russell » Wed May 22, 2024 3:12 pm

Alex Karaban videos have been growing on me lately.

Potentially a new Hauser with a little dusting of Peja in there.
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Post#1305 » by Hal14 » Wed May 22, 2024 3:15 pm

DaRon's college coach.

I certainly wouldn't hate it if we draft him.

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Post#1306 » by Celts17Pride » Wed May 22, 2024 3:50 pm

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Post#1307 » by Celts17Pride » Wed May 22, 2024 6:19 pm

The known list of players to have worked out with the Celtics:

Harrison Ingram, North Carolina
Dillon Jones, Weber State
Chris Ledlum, St. John’s (N.Y.)
Jonathan Mogbo, San Francisco
Payton Sandfort, Iowa
JT Toppin, New Mexico
Anton Watson, Gonzaga

https://therookiewire.usatoday.com/lists/2024-nba-draft-workout-tracker/
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Post#1308 » by 165bows » Wed May 22, 2024 7:19 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:The known list of players to have worked out with the Celtics:

Harrison Ingram, North Carolina
Dillon Jones, Weber State
Chris Ledlum, St. John’s (N.Y.)
Jonathan Mogbo, San Francisco
Payton Sandfort, Iowa
JT Toppin, New Mexico
Anton Watson, Gonzaga

https://therookiewire.usatoday.com/lists/2024-nba-draft-workout-tracker/

Dillon Jones starting to grow on me. Brad likes strong dudes that can handle and pass.
Edit: but he seems like the most quintessential Memphis player ever. So they prob trade back from #9 to #20 whatever to take him and get like ten second round picks added in and flummox everyone.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1309 » by 165bows » Wed May 22, 2024 8:11 pm

Ah god they are going to take Harrison Ingram. That’s super boring I’ll see you guys in this thread next year lol.
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Post#1310 » by threrf23 » Wed May 22, 2024 9:51 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:The known list of players to have worked out with the Celtics:

Harrison Ingram, North Carolina
Dillon Jones, Weber State
Chris Ledlum, St. John’s (N.Y.)
Jonathan Mogbo, San Francisco
Payton Sandfort, Iowa
JT Toppin, New Mexico
Anton Watson, Gonzaga

https://therookiewire.usatoday.com/lists/2024-nba-draft-workout-tracker/


JT Toppin looks slept on, one of the youngest players in the draft & statistically looks like a high level prospect IMO
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Post#1311 » by Hal14 » Wed May 22, 2024 10:45 pm

Yeah Toppin intriguing. Really like his motor. Beast on the boards..good shot blocker too. Can also defend out on the perimeter. There's some upside as a shooter. Like you said, very young too.

Not surprised they worked him out.

Wouldn't hate it as a mid to late 2nd round pick. He might end up going back to college though..to raise his draft stock for next year.
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Post#1312 » by Dogen » Thu May 23, 2024 5:46 pm

Hal14 wrote:Yeah Toppin intriguing. Really like his motor. Beast on the boards..good shot blocker too. Can also defend out on the perimeter. There's some upside as a shooter. Like you said, very young too.

Not surprised they worked him out.

Wouldn't hate it as a mid to late 2nd round pick. He might end up going back to college though..to raise his draft stock for next year.


We could have used a Toppin of our own to slow down his older brother the other night! :-?
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Post#1313 » by playa-hater » Thu May 23, 2024 5:52 pm

I have always liked or loved the draft. But this year I almost don't want to start looking unless we win 18.. But still appreciate the effort and opinions of others on here.
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Post#1314 » by Hal14 » Thu May 23, 2024 5:53 pm

Dogen wrote:
Hal14 wrote:Yeah Toppin intriguing. Really like his motor. Beast on the boards..good shot blocker too. Can also defend out on the perimeter. There's some upside as a shooter. Like you said, very young too.

Not surprised they worked him out.

Wouldn't hate it as a mid to late 2nd round pick. He might end up going back to college though..to raise his draft stock for next year.


We could have used a Toppin of our own to slow down his older brother the other night! :-?

JT is not the brother of Obi and Jacob Toppin (who are brothers). Not sure if you knew that though and that's what the emoji meant? Hard to tell sometimes haha.
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Post#1315 » by Dogen » Thu May 23, 2024 6:11 pm

Hal14 wrote:
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Hal14 wrote:Yeah Toppin intriguing. Really like his motor. Beast on the boards..good shot blocker too. Can also defend out on the perimeter. There's some upside as a shooter. Like you said, very young too.

Not surprised they worked him out.

Wouldn't hate it as a mid to late 2nd round pick. He might end up going back to college though..to raise his draft stock for next year.


We could have used a Toppin of our own to slow down his older brother the other night! :-?

JT is not the brother of Obi and Jacob Toppin (who are brothers). Not sure if you knew that though and that's what the emoji meant? Hard to tell sometimes haha.


I didn't initially think they were related, but searched it and got a result that they were. ("Is Obi Toppin and JT Toppin related?
He is the younger brother of professional basketball player Obi Toppin").

However, it seems JT and Jacob were conflated into the same person. It even linked to a wiki article, but now I see it was incorrect. I guess the emoji is there to express my ambiguity. 8-)

In any case, they are not bros, but if they were I'd be even more intrigued because having two brothers in the NBA with that level of athleticism usually indicates some solid genetic makeup.
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Post#1316 » by 165bows » Thu May 23, 2024 8:23 pm

Dogen wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
Dogen wrote:
We could have used a Toppin of our own to slow down his older brother the other night! :-?

JT is not the brother of Obi and Jacob Toppin (who are brothers). Not sure if you knew that though and that's what the emoji meant? Hard to tell sometimes haha.


I didn't initially think they were related, but searched it and got a result that they were. ("Is Obi Toppin and JT Toppin related?
He is the younger brother of professional basketball player Obi Toppin").

However, it seems JT and Jacob were conflated into the same person. It even linked to a wiki article, but now I see it was incorrect. I guess the emoji is there to express my ambiguity. 8-)

In any case, they are not bros, but if they were I'd be even more intrigued because having two brothers in the NBA with that level of athleticism usually indicates some solid genetic makeup.

Sounds like AI. AI will lie to your face with such shamelessness that it seems believable, regardless of how blatant the lie.
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Post#1317 » by Dogen » Thu May 23, 2024 8:25 pm

165bows wrote:
Dogen wrote:
Hal14 wrote:JT is not the brother of Obi and Jacob Toppin (who are brothers). Not sure if you knew that though and that's what the emoji meant? Hard to tell sometimes haha.


I didn't initially think they were related, but searched it and got a result that they were. ("Is Obi Toppin and JT Toppin related?
He is the younger brother of professional basketball player Obi Toppin").

However, it seems JT and Jacob were conflated into the same person. It even linked to a wiki article, but now I see it was incorrect. I guess the emoji is there to express my ambiguity. 8-)

In any case, they are not bros, but if they were I'd be even more intrigued because having two brothers in the NBA with that level of athleticism usually indicates some solid genetic makeup.

Sounds like AI. AI will lie to your face with such shamelessness that it seems believable, regardless of how blatant the lie.


I've been informed that AI doesn't lie, but sometimes hallucinates. Not sure if that makes it better or worse!
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Post#1318 » by playa-hater » Fri May 24, 2024 5:11 pm

New updated Mock.

https://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft

someone reads my posts at Tankathon :nod:

I wanted a tall lead guard..
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Post#1319 » by djFan71 » Fri May 24, 2024 5:26 pm

I wonder if WAS would trade 26 for 30 and something? Future 54 & 2nd? They already have 51, so maybe just 30 and one of the better future 2nds?

Getting ahead of DEN and Danny would be nice. Gets you into range for Holmes or Tyson or someone before they pluck them right before us.
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Post#1320 » by Smart2Nesmith43 » Fri May 24, 2024 5:48 pm

djFan71 wrote:I wonder if WAS would trade 26 for 30 and something? Future 54 & 2nd? They already have 51, so maybe just 30 and one of the better future 2nds?

Getting ahead of DEN and Danny would be nice. Gets you into range for Holmes or Tyson or someone before they pluck them right before us.

I don't advocate trading up but if they want to go that way I think the most obvious/logical partner is the Knicks. New York has #24 and #25 and teams generally don't like having to make back to back picks. Besides they aren't looking to add multiple young players right now (and Thibs won't play them anyway). The New York front office also has a history of trading down or out of the draft, for instance #11 for three future protected first rounders in 2022.

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