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2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#1301 » by SuperDeluxe » Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:29 am

titlebound1 wrote:I'm a fan based on the 8 min highlight video I just watched. Awesome energy and fairly crafty. Why not take a shot?

Same here. This is my reaction I've just posted in the welcome thread:

The kid seems to loooove attacking the hoop. Putbacks galore too. Passing looked good. Anticipation on defense stood out, with lots of steals and blocks. Like someone mentioned in the other thread, he looks like a dog. Great energy.

If playa-hater hadn't mentioned his 27% from three, then I would've said that this kid gives some Scheierman vibes.

He'll be fun to watch.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#1302 » by fallguy » Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:29 am

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#1303 » by playa-hater » Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:29 am

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You're just losing your **** constantly and we're barely a few days into this. Calm down. Brad is good at this. Let's see where we are by the end of the summer.


Was danny Ainge good? I mean, at times he was great and then at times he was terrible. Why do you act like that cannot be possible with brad??


Yes, Brad can make mistakes. But I am not going to go berserk on June 25 because we can't see the full picture yet. I am also not going to pass judgement on a 19-year-old that Brad likes when I - like you - know nothing about him.


Listen i'm not saying this kid cannot turn out to be good. Maybe brad proves many of us wrong. That is certainly what I hope for.

But between video, his shooting percentage and the need for other players at more important positions. Make me feel at this moment. We could have done better.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#1304 » by aim2please » Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:30 am

bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:The red flag on Fleming must be the size of Mount Everest...


This is what I'm thinking as well. 6'9 forward with 7'5 wingspan that can make c&s 3s. There has to be something 'wrong' with him.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#1305 » by return2glory » Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:30 am

I'm not saying I love the pick. Too early to say either way. But what I like about Hugo is that he already has NBA size for a wing. 6-7 and a solid 223. He is 19, so he might still be growing. He is a energy guy who plays with a competitive edge. He crashes the offensive glass and is athletic.
While he hasn't shot well from 3, he has good form and I love the high release on his shot. He is also a good FT shooter at about 77% from the line.
He brings some toughness. That's what this team needs more of. He also plays defensive and gets blocks chasing down people.
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Post#1306 » by fallguy » Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:30 am

28. Boston Celtics

Hugo Gonzalez | 6-6 wing | 19 years old | Real Madrid

Vecenie’s ranking: 24

I want to love Gonzalez. I appreciate the attitude and aggressiveness that he brings to the court. His quick reaction to what’s happening around him is awesome on defense, and I think he can play on that end of the court at an NBA level. Ultimately, it’s going to come down to his shooting. Can Gonzalez turn into an NBA shooter? That’s the swing skill here, as it is for many teenagers as they turn toward the highest level of competition. Given his work ethic and willingness to be coached, you want to buy into it. There’s also just not enough of a track record. I like him as a later first-round pick because if the shooting does come around, he’s almost certain to be useful as a rotational wing. But I don’t know if you can trust him to make shots at any sort of volume from 3, and things just move so fast for him on his drives that I worry about him being a true plus player on that end.

Hollinger’s analysis: Gonzalez theoretically can be stashed overseas, but a Celtics source told me directly that he’s coming over right away. He’ll count $2.3 million on Boston’s payroll, about the same as a veteran minimum contract, so his arrival won’t dramatically impact their cost-cutting program. Gonzalez isn’t good enough yet offensively, but he’s a tough defender and a plus athlete at the wing position with a strong frame. If he can figure out the shooting and become a reliable offensive contributor, he has a chance to help the Celtics after Boston’s “gap year.”
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#1307 » by playa-hater » Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:30 am

fallguy wrote:
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Givony knows more about this than anyone here. I'm heartened by his take.


Not trying to keep picking on you fallguy. But I am willing to bet for every expert that says positive things. You can find some that are on the opposite end of the spectrum.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#1308 » by Hal14 » Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:31 am

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You say facts and negativity, so what is 24%? Sounds like a facts and negativity to me.

Down to 24% already? It was 27% when he was drafted. This kid must suck.


His three year average was twenty seven percent, according to what they stated, but last season, according to what was just posted was twenty four percent.

Aren't you the one who always says that players need to be in rhythm to make shots and the only way you can get in rhythm is by getting enough playing time and getting enough touches and getting enough shots up?

That didn't happen at all this season for Real Madrid. Hugo was on a team that was stacked with former (or future) NBA players. He didn't play much. So he wasn't in rhythm.

Real Madrid knew he wouldn't be in rhythm and they knew that (while he does have the potential to eventually become a respectable shooter) at this point it's not the strength of his game. So they used him in a different role..not as a shooter but as an energy wing defender off the bench to come in and give energy, play defense, crash the boards, be a really good cutter, get out in transition, and make passes to keep the offense flowing..and occasionally try taking a 3 here and there if he was open.

That's the role he would play here in Boston. And in the meantime, we'll try and develop his shot..but as others have said, he has been a good FT shooter. His mechanics on his shot are pretty good. And he's still very young, early in his development so more likely to improve as a shooter than some guy who's like 23.

I think if Hugo really hits, he's a guy like Josh Hart is on the Knicks, except taller.

Also, we have to factor in that Hugo was playing against competition in ACB and EuroLeague that is better than literally every other player in this draft. So it's simply wrong to just look at his shooting percentages and compare them to some guy like Fleming who was going against future doctors and insurance salesmen (and is like 2 years older than Hugo)..
Nothing wrong with having a different opinion - as long as it's done respectfully. It'd be lame if we all agreed on everything :)
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#1309 » by VeryMuchWoke » Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:31 am

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VeryMuchWoke wrote:I just want to say everyone obsessed with drafting a center is an idiot. You don't draft for need, especially at the ass end of the first round.

Get a goddamn clue.


You do take the best player available. Brad is focused on bring back Kornet and Horford. We also have Queta.

But you good? Calling people idiots for not having the same view as you? It's not that serious.


Agreed and the best player of available combined with a need is always the best option. Who's to say one of the three remaining bigs aren't also the best player available?


To be clear, I'm not talking about people that happen to have a center as their BPA and want that guy. I'm talking about people saying things like "Horford and Kornet are trash!" as part of their draft analysis.

I am seeing a lot of people advocating for a big, and I suspect our roster has something to do with that, consciously wanting to draft for need or subconsciously allowing need to influence evaluation, but nothing wrong with liking a particular center.....
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#1310 » by playa-hater » Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:32 am

fallguy wrote:28. Boston Celtics

Hugo Gonzalez | 6-6 wing | 19 years old | Real Madrid

Vecenie’s ranking: 24

I want to love Gonzalez. I appreciate the attitude and aggressiveness that he brings to the court. His quick reaction to what’s happening around him is awesome on defense, and I think he can play on that end of the court at an NBA level. Ultimately, it’s going to come down to his shooting. Can Gonzalez turn into an NBA shooter? That’s the swing skill here, as it is for many teenagers as they turn toward the highest level of competition. Given his work ethic and willingness to be coached, you want to buy into it. There’s also just not enough of a track record. I like him as a later first-round pick because if the shooting does come around, he’s almost certain to be useful as a rotational wing. But I don’t know if you can trust him to make shots at any sort of volume from 3, and things just move so fast for him on his drives that I worry about him being a true plus player on that end.

Hollinger’s analysis: Gonzalez theoretically can be stashed overseas, but a Celtics source told me directly that he’s coming over right away. He’ll count $2.3 million on Boston’s payroll, about the same as a veteran minimum contract, so his arrival won’t dramatically impact their cost-cutting program. Gonzalez isn’t good enough yet offensively, but he’s a tough defender and a plus athlete at the wing position with a strong frame. If he can figure out the shooting and become a reliable offensive contributor, he has a chance to help the Celtics after Boston’s “gap year.”


Obviously. I'm not convinced yet, but I certainly hope brad can prove me wrong with this one. So I will end this conversation tonight. And hope for the best going forward tomorrow with pick 32.
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Post#1311 » by fallguy » Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:33 am

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Givony knows more about this than anyone here. I'm heartened by his take.


Not trying to keep picking on you falluy. But I am willing to bet for every expert that says positive things. You can find some that are on the opposite end of the spectrum.


Sure, but Givony is probably the top analyst in the game.
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Post#1312 » by playa-hater » Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:34 am

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SuperDeluxe wrote:Down to 24% already? It was 27% when he was drafted. This kid must suck.


His three year average was twenty seven percent, according to what they stated, but last season, according to what was just posted was twenty four percent.

Dude. Aren't you the one who always says that players need to be in rhythm to make shots and the only way you can get in rhythm is by getting enough playing time and getting enough touches and getting enough shots up?

That didn't happen at all this season for Real Madrid. Hugo was on a team that was stacked with former (or future) NBA players. He didn't play much. So he wasn't in rhythm.

Real Madrid knew he wouldn't be in rhythm and they knew that (while he does have the potential to eventually become a respectable shooter) at this point it's not the strength of his game. So they used him in a different role..not as a shooter but as an energy wing defender off the bench to come in and give energy, play defense, crash the boards, be a really good cutter, get out in transition, and make passes to keep the offense flowing..and occasionally try taking a 3 here and there if he was open.

That's the role he would play here in Boston. And in the meantime, we'll try and develop his shot..but as others have said, he has been a good FT shooter. His mechanics on his shot are pretty good. And he's still very young, early in his development so more likely to improve as a shooter than some guy who's like 23.

I think if Hugo really hits, he's a guy like Josh Hart is on the Knicks, except taller.


At this point, I'm no longer going to argue instead. I'll just say I hope you all right time for me to go to sleep and hope for a great pick 32.
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Post#1313 » by djFan71 » Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:35 am

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It’s hard to watch him and not feel very comfortable with the franchise being in his hands.
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Post#1314 » by brackdan70 » Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:37 am

fallguy wrote:
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Givony knows more about this than anyone here. I'm heartened by his take.

He was 22 on his big board.
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Post#1315 » by aim2please » Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:38 am

VeryMuchWoke wrote:
aim2please wrote:Former Mavs analytics guy Jeremias Engelmann is a great read if you like analytics based approach to the NBA. I am subscribed to his substack.

His 2021 NBA draft board was one for the ages. Sengun, Wagner and Herb Jones in the top 5. Anyways, his board looks nothing like most public boards.

This year, guys he's a lot higher on: Murray-Boyles 3rd, Flemming 5th, Clayton Jr. 8th, Saraf 9th, Proctor 12th.

Guys he's lower on: Bailey 11th, Fears 16th, Maluach 17th, Queen 19th, Demin 22th, Johnson 23rd (his pick for most likely bust at the top of the draft), Coward 25th.

He never had Hugo as a 1st rounder this year.

Obviously, he can wrong on guys, but he's really good at understanding what archetype succeeds in the league.


If his base is analytics, it may be hard for him to evaluate someone getting limited minutes overseas....


That's a fair point.

I am honestly not pretending like I know who's gonna make it. But we all have our favorites and guys we fell have no chance. For me 'no chance' guys were Demin, Riley, McNeeley, Gonzales. I hope Hugo has a great career. I just don't have my hopes high.
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Post#1316 » by fallguy » Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:40 am

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SuperDeluxe wrote:Down to 24% already? It was 27% when he was drafted. This kid must suck.


His three year average was twenty seven percent, according to what they stated, but last season, according to what was just posted was twenty four percent.

Aren't you the one who always says that players need to be in rhythm to make shots and the only way you can get in rhythm is by getting enough playing time and getting enough touches and getting enough shots up?

That didn't happen at all this season for Real Madrid. Hugo was on a team that was stacked with former (or future) NBA players. He didn't play much. So he wasn't in rhythm.

Real Madrid knew he wouldn't be in rhythm and they knew that (while he does have the potential to eventually become a respectable shooter) at this point it's not the strength of his game. So they used him in a different role..not as a shooter but as an energy wing defender off the bench to come in and give energy, play defense, crash the boards, be a really good cutter, get out in transition, and make passes to keep the offense flowing..and occasionally try taking a 3 here and there if he was open.

That's the role he would play here in Boston. And in the meantime, we'll try and develop his shot..but as others have said, he has been a good FT shooter. His mechanics on his shot are pretty good. And he's still very young, early in his development so more likely to improve as a shooter than some guy who's like 23.

I think if Hugo really hits, he's a guy like Josh Hart is on the Knicks, except taller.

Also, we have to factor in that Hugo was playing against competition in ACB and EuroLeague that is better than literally every other player in this draft. So it's simply wrong to just look at his shooting percentages and compare them to some guy like Fleming who was going against future doctors and insurance salesmen (and is like 2 years older than Hugo)..


Future doctors and insurance salesmen.

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Post#1317 » by fallguy » Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:41 am

brackdan70 wrote:
fallguy wrote:
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Givony knows more about this than anyone here. I'm heartened by his take.

He was 22 on his big board.


And your point is?
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Post#1318 » by GrandTheftRondo » Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:41 am

Shooting isn’t necessarily easy in euroleague either.

Doncic had some pretty mediocre numbers over there because it’s a damn good league with a lot of experienced pro basketball players.

Seems like Brad is betting on this guy being better with NBA spacing and more minutes developing
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Post#1319 » by redslastlaugh » Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:42 am

Brad said praised Hugo's cutting, which I love to hear.
Last years team was short on cutting so I'm glad thats one of the skills Brad singled out about Gonzalez
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Post#1320 » by VeryMuchWoke » Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:44 am

redslastlaugh wrote:Brad said praised Hugo's cutting, which I love to hear.
Last years team was short on cutting so I'm glad thats one of the skills Brad singled out about Gonzalez


Jrue was probably also our best cutter, even last year.
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