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Bohemian wrote:Crossy2008 wrote:Really slow day for being so close to the deadline. Seems like everyone is just letting the Cousins deal sink in. How is there no decent rumors out there?
It's normal. Usually there is a strong rumor or trade right after the All Star (Cousins this time) then a couple days in which teams study the talks during the weekend with their offices and then madness unleashes itself the last 24 hrs
Valid wrote:canman1971 wrote:Crossy2008 wrote:Really slow day for being so close to the deadline. Seems like everyone is just letting the Cousins deal sink in. How is there no decent rumors out there?
Par for the course. Too many GMs play for their jobs rather than take chances and try to better their team and win a title. I mean, that's why Ainge is great. He wants a title again and won't settle for less. So many GMs of teams who have never won anything, and maybe never will, hold on to players because they fill the seats to appease the owners, but won't get them any closer to a title. I mean, I like Butler, but Chicago isn't winning a title with him in his prime. And realistically neither is NO even with Cousins. Ainge will be patient, take his time and build. GS did it and it worked for them.
To be fair, the Warriors didn't really take their time. They just sucked for 20+ years, got a plethora of good draft picks and finally hit on a couple of them.
We are in a bit of a different situation.
Green89 wrote:Thomas and Pierce are the best players the Celtics have had since the 80s. Danny got the help Pierce needed to get his ring and has to do the same with IT. No way you waste this opportunity playing the wait and cash in draft picks game, while MVP candidate Thomas floats on past his prime. No way. We could go a decade or two more without ever having a Pierce or Thomas. It took all of the 90s and into the 2000s just to get a Pierce. We got gifted Thomas in a much shorter time and must take advantage of this chance.
Captain_Caveman wrote:Green89 wrote:Thomas and Pierce are the best players the Celtics have had since the 80s. Danny got the help Pierce needed to get his ring and has to do the same with IT. No way you waste this opportunity playing the wait and cash in draft picks game, while MVP candidate Thomas floats on past his prime. No way. We could go a decade or two more without ever having a Pierce or Thomas. It took all of the 90s and into the 2000s just to get a Pierce. We got gifted Thomas in a much shorter time and must take advantage of this chance.
Garnett?
Reggie Lewis deserves a nod, too.
Captain_Caveman wrote:SIAP, but latest Bulpett. Claims IT did not recommend Boogie, among other things.
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2017/02/bulpett_as_nba_trade_market_settles_celtics_still_seeking_major_talent
smartyz456 wrote:oh i am a laker fan for life
i'm just gonna be a warrior fan until lebron leaves the lakers
true laker fans don't root for lebron
Tai wrote:I will say this: Back in the offseason when Smitty was giving us the scoop on what he was hearing, I was all for possibly getting Westbrook or Griffin (preferably Westbrook if I recall). And either way, Westbrook to me is better than anyone they could get this trade deadline or even near the draft. Needless to say, I was disappointed when it became clear that wasn't going to happen.
But now? I have to agree with the "stay the course" fellas. As is, the Celtics are very good this season, and probably in a much better position than most thought they'd be at this point, good enough to beat Cavs or not. Depending on what they do whether this deadline or even offseason, they could easily be right there with Cleveland with the right move, OR mess it up and deceive us into thinking we're title contenders, only for it to ultimately play out that we never were. I like Butler and PG13, but giving up what we would have to get either one seems like it would result in the latter more than the former. Even on the Cousins ship that just sailed, clearly the Celtics brass feel something is up between his technical fouls, antics, and when it comes right down to it lack of winning. So be it.
I'm willing to wait for the right move. Yes, maybe it won't be 2008, but I still want it to be something that we look back on and say "damn, Danny really did it again, didn't he"?
Captain_Caveman wrote:SIAP, but latest Bulpett. Claims IT did not recommend Boogie, among other things.
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2017/02/bulpett_as_nba_trade_market_settles_celtics_still_seeking_major_talent
Green89 wrote:Maxwell just on TV saying we should trade the BKN 17 for Butler. Says no one in the draft looking like they could turn into someone as good as Jimmy.
Green89 wrote:canman1971 wrote:I understand the whole "always trade the picks for an established guy" argument. But the Celtics are in such a unique situation where they are really good right now and they have these picks to make them good for a long time. So, unless they get a player that makes them a contender right now or next year, what is the point of trading the BKN picks? They have other assets to bridge them to free agency and continue to build. The Nets went for the "now" and look where they are at currently.
Thomas is 28 and is absolutely in his prime. Horford is a bit past it and not getting any younger. These players were key acquisitions and are here, right now, playing at a high level. The problem in waiting is if you wait too long, these two will no longer be a factor, and then if your picks end up being all star level or in IT's case, and MVP contending level, who is going to compliment them?? You'd be right back where you started with IT and Horford, trying to get more people to pair with them to contend.
We have an incredible starting point right now to build a superb team, with IT the MVP candidate, and Horford the all star level big. You have to use the picks to get the pieces to combine with them to form a championship team. You need 3-4 great pieces to get a ring these days, and we don't even have 3. So even if both the BKN 17 and the BKN 18 turn into two key pieces toward a championship run, you then are no longer having the IT and Horford pieces, and the cycle starts over again. We are assuredly in possession of key pieces right now. You need to then turn your "possibilities" (aka the draft picks) into sure things to pair with them. That's the other thing, there is a chance that one or both picks don't turn out, then you've waiting things out, lost IT as he's past his prime, and Horford retires, and then you don't even have 1 of these 3-4 pieces that can get you a title. You're then in an even worse a position than you are now.
We have partial pieces now and turning the picks into the other pieces is a GUARANTEE that you would then end up with the 4 pieces you need to win it all. Whether you can then take those pieces and turn them into a ring is still up in the air and up to the players and coaches to get it done, but you then know exactly what your pieces are, and what they can do to your winning chances. You have no idea what the picks will ever do for your championship chances.
The bottom line is, if you trade the picks for key players/pieces to help aid a title run, you 100% have obtained the pieces needed for that. If you hold onto them and don't cash them in, you will have to try and pick the best potential, hope they develop, and even then it is a very low percentage that these will turn out to be the absolute pieces we need. We have all pieces now between who is on our roster and who the picks could turn into. We need to use them now. These pieces may never assemble like this again if you play the waiting and hoping game. THIS is why you trade the BKN picks.
Green89 wrote:canman1971 wrote:I understand the whole "always trade the picks for an established guy" argument. But the Celtics are in such a unique situation where they are really good right now and they have these picks to make them good for a long time. So, unless they get a player that makes them a contender right now or next year, what is the point of trading the BKN picks? They have other assets to bridge them to free agency and continue to build. The Nets went for the "now" and look where they are at currently.
Thomas is 28 and is absolutely in his prime. Horford is a bit past it and not getting any younger. These players were key acquisitions and are here, right now, playing at a high level. The problem in waiting is if you wait too long, these two will no longer be a factor, and then if your picks end up being all star level or in IT's case, and MVP contending level, who is going to compliment them?? You'd be right back where you started with IT and Horford, trying to get more people to pair with them to contend.
We have an incredible starting point right now to build a superb team, with IT the MVP candidate, and Horford the all star level big. You have to use the picks to get the pieces to combine with them to form a championship team. You need 3-4 great pieces to get a ring these days, and we don't even have 3. So even if both the BKN 17 and the BKN 18 turn into two key pieces toward a championship run, you then are no longer having the IT and Horford pieces, and the cycle starts over again. We are assuredly in possession of key pieces right now. You need to then turn your "possibilities" (aka the draft picks) into sure things to pair with them. That's the other thing, there is a chance that one or both picks don't turn out, then you've waiting things out, lost IT as he's past his prime, and Horford retires, and then you don't even have 1 of these 3-4 pieces that can get you a title. You're then in an even worse a position than you are now.
We have partial pieces now and turning the picks into the other pieces is a GUARANTEE that you would then end up with the 4 pieces you need to win it all. Whether you can then take those pieces and turn them into a ring is still up in the air and up to the players and coaches to get it done, but you then know exactly what your pieces are, and what they can do to your winning chances. You have no idea what the picks will ever do for your championship chances.
The bottom line is, if you trade the picks for key players/pieces to help aid a title run, you 100% have obtained the pieces needed for that. If you hold onto them and don't cash them in, you will have to try and pick the best potential, hope they develop, and even then it is a very low percentage that these will turn out to be the absolute pieces we need. We have all pieces now between who is on our roster and who the picks could turn into. We need to use them now. These pieces may never assemble like this again if you play the waiting and hoping game. THIS is why you trade the BKN picks.
Captain_Caveman wrote:SIAP, but latest Bulpett. Claims IT did not recommend Boogie, among other things.
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2017/02/bulpett_as_nba_trade_market_settles_celtics_still_seeking_major_talent
Captain_Caveman wrote:Green89 wrote:canman1971 wrote:I understand the whole "always trade the picks for an established guy" argument. But the Celtics are in such a unique situation where they are really good right now and they have these picks to make them good for a long time. So, unless they get a player that makes them a contender right now or next year, what is the point of trading the BKN picks? They have other assets to bridge them to free agency and continue to build. The Nets went for the "now" and look where they are at currently.
Thomas is 28 and is absolutely in his prime. Horford is a bit past it and not getting any younger. These players were key acquisitions and are here, right now, playing at a high level. The problem in waiting is if you wait too long, these two will no longer be a factor, and then if your picks end up being all star level or in IT's case, and MVP contending level, who is going to compliment them?? You'd be right back where you started with IT and Horford, trying to get more people to pair with them to contend.
We have an incredible starting point right now to build a superb team, with IT the MVP candidate, and Horford the all star level big. You have to use the picks to get the pieces to combine with them to form a championship team. You need 3-4 great pieces to get a ring these days, and we don't even have 3. So even if both the BKN 17 and the BKN 18 turn into two key pieces toward a championship run, you then are no longer having the IT and Horford pieces, and the cycle starts over again. We are assuredly in possession of key pieces right now. You need to then turn your "possibilities" (aka the draft picks) into sure things to pair with them. That's the other thing, there is a chance that one or both picks don't turn out, then you've waiting things out, lost IT as he's past his prime, and Horford retires, and then you don't even have 1 of these 3-4 pieces that can get you a title. You're then in an even worse a position than you are now.
We have partial pieces now and turning the picks into the other pieces is a GUARANTEE that you would then end up with the 4 pieces you need to win it all. Whether you can then take those pieces and turn them into a ring is still up in the air and up to the players and coaches to get it done, but you then know exactly what your pieces are, and what they can do to your winning chances. You have no idea what the picks will ever do for your championship chances.
The bottom line is, if you trade the picks for key players/pieces to help aid a title run, you 100% have obtained the pieces needed for that. If you hold onto them and don't cash them in, you will have to try and pick the best potential, hope they develop, and even then it is a very low percentage that these will turn out to be the absolute pieces we need. We have all pieces now between who is on our roster and who the picks could turn into. We need to use them now. These pieces may never assemble like this again if you play the waiting and hoping game. THIS is why you trade the BKN picks.
OK, but watch the Warriors play sometime.
IT not a top 3 player on that team. They have 4 of the 5 best players on either roster, and our centers are the only players who would start for them.
Captain_Caveman wrote:Green89 wrote:canman1971 wrote:I understand the whole "always trade the picks for an established guy" argument. But the Celtics are in such a unique situation where they are really good right now and they have these picks to make them good for a long time. So, unless they get a player that makes them a contender right now or next year, what is the point of trading the BKN picks? They have other assets to bridge them to free agency and continue to build. The Nets went for the "now" and look where they are at currently.
Thomas is 28 and is absolutely in his prime. Horford is a bit past it and not getting any younger. These players were key acquisitions and are here, right now, playing at a high level. The problem in waiting is if you wait too long, these two will no longer be a factor, and then if your picks end up being all star level or in IT's case, and MVP contending level, who is going to compliment them?? You'd be right back where you started with IT and Horford, trying to get more people to pair with them to contend.
We have an incredible starting point right now to build a superb team, with IT the MVP candidate, and Horford the all star level big. You have to use the picks to get the pieces to combine with them to form a championship team. You need 3-4 great pieces to get a ring these days, and we don't even have 3. So even if both the BKN 17 and the BKN 18 turn into two key pieces toward a championship run, you then are no longer having the IT and Horford pieces, and the cycle starts over again. We are assuredly in possession of key pieces right now. You need to then turn your "possibilities" (aka the draft picks) into sure things to pair with them. That's the other thing, there is a chance that one or both picks don't turn out, then you've waiting things out, lost IT as he's past his prime, and Horford retires, and then you don't even have 1 of these 3-4 pieces that can get you a title. You're then in an even worse a position than you are now.
We have partial pieces now and turning the picks into the other pieces is a GUARANTEE that you would then end up with the 4 pieces you need to win it all. Whether you can then take those pieces and turn them into a ring is still up in the air and up to the players and coaches to get it done, but you then know exactly what your pieces are, and what they can do to your winning chances. You have no idea what the picks will ever do for your championship chances.
The bottom line is, if you trade the picks for key players/pieces to help aid a title run, you 100% have obtained the pieces needed for that. If you hold onto them and don't cash them in, you will have to try and pick the best potential, hope they develop, and even then it is a very low percentage that these will turn out to be the absolute pieces we need. We have all pieces now between who is on our roster and who the picks could turn into. We need to use them now. These pieces may never assemble like this again if you play the waiting and hoping game. THIS is why you trade the BKN picks.
OK, but watch the Warriors play sometime.
IT not a top 3 player on that team. They have 4 of the 5 best players on either roster, and our centers are the only players who would start for them.