Trade Ideas Thread

[CelticFaninLBC]

This team needs to get bigger, add shooters, and build around Tatum and Brown.

Hayward and Theis for Turner, McDermott and Leaf adds size and McDermott shoots 40%+ from 3.

[31to6]

I’m ambivalent about Kemba, but I do wonder what the odds are that we start next season with Beal on our roster. Remote, but larger than your average “star” I imagine? I can see JTs agent talking to Danny about it right about now.

[celticfan42487]

This team needs to get bigger, add shooters, and build around Tatum and Brown.

Hayward and Theis for Turner, McDermott and Leaf adds size and McDermott shoots 40%+ from 3.

I think you'll end up with Turner by a significant margin in this kind of trade.

He can hit 3s and block some shots but... our offense lives and dies on screens set by Theis and I'm not sure he's a dramatic upgrade over Theis.

Rather do a Hayward for Turner trade if need be and we can just use the MLE on a 3 point shooting stiff of a big. Meyers Leanord can't get off the bench for the Heat I'm sure he'd be willing to come here and play that role.

[BK_2020]

Team needs a PG, not a center. The Celtics lost to Miami because they turned the ball over 20 times a game and couldn't beat the zone, not because they didn't have enough big slow guys making scary faces.

[Curmudgeon]

We need to have a separate thread on Hayward trades, and the real issue is how much luxury tax Celtiucs' management is willing to pay. There a plenty of highly paid players, including some very good players, on teams looking for cap relief. Here are some players that I think Hayward's fat expiring contract could fetch (with picks thrown in as sweetners in some instances):

C.J. McCollum
Chris Paul
any two of Gordon, Fournier and Ross from Orlando
Bradley Beal
Andrew Wiggins
Andre Drummond+ either Osman or Garland
Eric Gordon+ Robert Covington (or maybe even Westbrook if Morey sees him as a bad fit with Harden)
Gary Harris+Will Barton
Blake Griffin
LaMarcus Aldridge
Barnes and Bjelica
Jrue Holiday + filler
Turner + Warren

I'm sure there are other possibilities, but the ones above come immediately to mind.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Kemba was an all star this year. Y'all are nuts talking about bringing him off the bench. So reactionary. You want to move him for a guy like CP3? Aight, that's different. But acting like he's some sort of terrible player is absurd. He's a top 25ish player in the game. Not saying that there aren't scenarios where it makes sense to move him but some of the reactionary hot takes are silly.

Its minutes management. I dont disagree with anything your saying [other than dealing him for CP3, thats a terrible idea], but i think we’d be well served to re-arrange when he goes in.

Also, its not a hot take, I’ve been saying this for over 6 months now.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Speaking of hot takes; if Kemba misses the beginning of the season recovering from a poorly speculated knee surgery, I would try to trade Hayward and Kanter [and picks] for CP3.

[darrendaye]

Team needs a PG, not a center. The Celtics lost to Miami because they turned the ball over 20 times a game and couldn't beat the zone, not because they didn't have enough big slow guys making scary faces.

IMO, they need a combo guard who doesn't get swallowed up at the rim and still need a Giannis defender. Tall orders figuratively and literally.

[hugepatsfan]

Kemba was an all star this year. Y'all are nuts talking about bringing him off the bench. So reactionary. You want to move him for a guy like CP3? Aight, that's different. But acting like he's some sort of terrible player is absurd. He's a top 25ish player in the game. Not saying that there aren't scenarios where it makes sense to move him but some of the reactionary hot takes are silly.

Its minutes management. I dont disagree with anything your saying [other than dealing him for CP3, thats a terrible idea], but i think we’d be well served to re-arrange when he goes in.

Also, its not a hot take, I’ve been saying this for over 6 months now.

I don't see how bench vs starting makes minutes management any easier or harder. You just play him less minutes either way. I do agree that we should lower his minutes. One of the reasons I'm so high on Kira Lewis Jr at #14, who I think will be a great player in our system. It seems crowded at PG but I think there will be plenty of minutes if we rest Kemba and also Hayward (since Hayward resting means more Smart on the wing).

It's always sexier to make outside additions but I really believe in the potential of guys we have. Robert Williams and Grant Williams I fully believe can be good pieces. I like what Langford showed on defense this year and think his natural offensive ability can shine with increased time. At #14 we should add another good piece. We have a great top 6... it's a matter of getting another 2-4 guys to emerge with them and give us great minutes. The Semi and Wanamaker types won't get it done. Vets are the safe route but I see more upside with our kids.

[Green89]

Hayward and picks for Adams & Schroder

Or for Oladipo and Turner.

[hugepatsfan]

Speaking of hot takes; if Kemba misses the beginning of the season recovering from a poorly speculated knee surgery, I would try to trade Hayward and Kanter [and picks] for CP3.

I'm not all that opposed to this even if Kemba is healthy. It's unconventional but it's a definite talent upgrade. CP3 played next to Schroeder all year so it's not like he couldn't play next to Kemba. That has limitations for sure but are there really that many teams where it can't work?

Against PHI Kemba can guard Shake and I trust CP3 on JRich
Against MIL you have Kemba on Bledsoe and CP3 on Wes Matthews
Against MIA CP3 on Dragic and Kemba on Robinson
TOR plays with 2 PGs so it's not an issue
I'm fine with CP3 on Oladipo if we play IND.

I know it's undersized but I don't see too many of these mammoth SGs to worry about. I know we're giving up size but I don't think we're severely overmatched in any matchup really. The issue is it gives us a second small guy for teams to attack in switches but you can scheme for that.

Hayward for CP3 would just be taking advantage of a team willing to give us a big talent upgrade for money reasons. And CP3's deal would expire before repeater rates anyway.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Kemba was an all star this year. Y'all are nuts talking about bringing him off the bench. So reactionary. You want to move him for a guy like CP3? Aight, that's different. But acting like he's some sort of terrible player is absurd. He's a top 25ish player in the game. Not saying that there aren't scenarios where it makes sense to move him but some of the reactionary hot takes are silly.

Its minutes management. I dont disagree with anything your saying [other than dealing him for CP3, thats a terrible idea], but i think we’d be well served to re-arrange when he goes in.

Also, its not a hot take, I’ve been saying this for over 6 months now.

I don't see how bench vs starting makes minutes management any easier or harder. You just play him less minutes either way. I do agree that we should lower his minutes. One of the reasons I'm so high on Kira Lewis Jr at #14, who I think will be a great player in our system. It seems crowded at PG but I think there will be plenty of minutes if we rest Kemba and also Hayward (since Hayward resting means more Smart on the wing).

It's always sexier to make outside additions but I really believe in the potential of guys we have. Robert Williams and Grant Williams I fully believe can be good pieces. I like what Langford showed on defense this year and think his natural offensive ability can shine with increased time. At #14 we should add another good piece. We have a great top 6... it's a matter of getting another 2-4 guys to emerge with them and give us great minutes. The Semi and Wanamaker types won't get it done. Vets are the safe route but I see more upside with our kids.

Its because your putting him less against an opposing offensive threat that would be likely to work him defensively. Said differently, its making sure that his 30MPG align more with the opposing teams bench.

Im right there with you on the Williams’. I think the recency of Bams performance bias’s our mindset when the reality is that we lost games 1 and 2 because we didnt have a deep enough bench and our guys were gassed, not due to a lack of big men. We need to get actual NBA players for our bench.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Speaking of hot takes; if Kemba misses the beginning of the season recovering from a poorly speculated knee surgery, I would try to trade Hayward and Kanter [and picks] for CP3.

I'm not all that opposed to this even if Kemba is healthy. It's unconventional but it's a definite talent upgrade. CP3 played next to Schroeder all year so it's not like he couldn't play next to Kemba. That has limitations for sure but are there really that many teams where it can't work?

Against PHI Kemba can guard Shake and I trust CP3 on JRich
Against MIL you have Kemba on Bledsoe and CP3 on Wes Matthews
Against MIA CP3 on Dragic and Kemba on Robinson
TOR plays with 2 PGs so it's not an issue
I'm fine with CP3 on Oladipo if we play IND.

I know it's undersized but I don't see too many of these mammoth SGs to worry about. I know we're giving up size but I don't think we're severely overmatched in any matchup really. The issue is it gives us a second small guy for teams to attack in switches but you can scheme for that.

Hayward for CP3 would just be taking advantage of a team willing to give us a big talent upgrade for money reasons. And CP3's deal would expire before repeater rates anyway.

CP3 is still a damn good defender, IMO. He cant handle super quick guys, but he can more than hold his own vs other wings.

[100proof]

Kemba should be our bench scorer. Makes too much sense.

30 plus million for 3 years of a single bench player is atrocious.

Sunk cost, moose.

No need to be a sunk cost at all.

There are teams would gladly take him, and the team isn't going to take this theoretical "hit" to the league perception of them.

I am not stating that they will trade him, or that he will be the first name brought up when Danny calls other team, but proclaiming us stuck with him for the long haul because we signed him last offseason is crazy. If an offer comes to Danny that improves the team he will take it. Its as simple as that. He is not going to put an inferior product on the court because of some perception that he cannot trade a player he signed a year ago to a contract.

Danny will always want to have the best product on the floor.

Now I can agree with your previous statement that there may not be another team that wants him, but that is a different discussion.

[100proof]

Kemba was an all star this year. Y'all are nuts talking about bringing him off the bench. So reactionary. You want to move him for a guy like CP3? Aight, that's different. But acting like he's some sort of terrible player is absurd. He's a top 25ish player in the game. Not saying that there aren't scenarios where it makes sense to move him but some of the reactionary hot takes are silly.

Its minutes management. I dont disagree with anything your saying [other than dealing him for CP3, thats a terrible idea], but i think we’d be well served to re-arrange when he goes in.

Also, its not a hot take, I’ve been saying this for over 6 months now.

I don't see how bench vs starting makes minutes management any easier or harder. You just play him less minutes either way. I do agree that we should lower his minutes. One of the reasons I'm so high on Kira Lewis Jr at #14, who I think will be a great player in our system. It seems crowded at PG but I think there will be plenty of minutes if we rest Kemba and also Hayward (since Hayward resting means more Smart on the wing).

It's always sexier to make outside additions but I really believe in the potential of guys we have. Robert Williams and Grant Williams I fully believe can be good pieces. I like what Langford showed on defense this year and think his natural offensive ability can shine with increased time. At #14 we should add another good piece. We have a great top 6... it's a matter of getting another 2-4 guys to emerge with them and give us great minutes. The Semi and Wanamaker types won't get it done. Vets are the safe route but I see more upside with our kids.

So the thought is to acquire players that allow the team to not play the 2 highest paid players as much, while keeping the 2 highest paid players on the team and just making their roles easier by putting them against the other teams benches more?

So we want to have 65 million tied up into 2 bench players next season?

[TheMartian]

I think I'm in the trade Hayward boat *if* he wants to go home to Indiana or go elsewhere. It just doesn't feel right to trade him after he sacrificed staying in the bubble to help the team, but if he is on board with it, Ainge should be calling teams up.

I'm sure Gordon is thinking about it as well - how his stint with the Celtics has not worked out for both sides and how a change in scenery could revitalize his career.

If it is to the Pacers, Myles Turner or Sabonis should be the main piece coming back.

If it's OKC, I'm on board with either Adams/Schroeder or CP3.

[Celts17Pride]

Orlando is definitely a destination for Hayward that should be interesting to both teams in my opinion.

[Saint Lazarus]

Kemba should be our bench scorer. Makes too much sense.

30 plus million for 3 years of a single bench player is atrocious.

Sunk cost, moose.

Moose23?

[SmartWentCrazy]

Speaking of hot takes; if Kemba misses the beginning of the season recovering from a poorly speculated knee surgery, I would try to trade Hayward and Kanter [and picks] for CP3.

I'm not all that opposed to this even if Kemba is healthy. It's unconventional but it's a definite talent upgrade. CP3 played next to Schroeder all year so it's not like he couldn't play next to Kemba. That has limitations for sure but are there really that many teams where it can't work?

Against PHI Kemba can guard Shake and I trust CP3 on JRich
Against MIL you have Kemba on Bledsoe and CP3 on Wes Matthews
Against MIA CP3 on Dragic and Kemba on Robinson
TOR plays with 2 PGs so it's not an issue
I'm fine with CP3 on Oladipo if we play IND.

I know it's undersized but I don't see too many of these mammoth SGs to worry about. I know we're giving up size but I don't think we're severely overmatched in any matchup really. The issue is it gives us a second small guy for teams to attack in switches but you can scheme for that.

Hayward for CP3 would just be taking advantage of a team willing to give us a big talent upgrade for money reasons. And CP3's deal would expire before repeater rates anyway.

Other big advantage of this: CP3 is great friends with PJ Tucker. We should be doing EVERYTHING in our power to sign him this offseason. He would be perfect here

[DarkAzcura]

Nope, just looking at what would be available...

We can't make a lot of moves apart from dropping some salary and going out and signing vet min and MLE...

So if we were to really try and fill out the roster with more actual proper Vet players you have to trade Hayward or Kemba... Kemba just got here so I don't think he's going.

Hayward with his opt in gives us more options to do a 1 for 2 or 1 for 3 kind of deal depending...

So you start with Kemba/Smart/Brown/Tatum/Adams then Schroder/Theis/GWill + a vet shooter

That's just one thought

We don’t really need anything huge that would involve major salaries, imo. We just need the modern version of trading for Delk and Rodgers. Use our picks, use Langford, whatever. We need veterans on the bench, who can give Stevens more options in tight situations. Kanter is a veteran like that. Good attitude, high energy, great rebounder, but doesn’t work in all situations. We need a couple more speciality vets on the bench. Obviously an all round guy would be great, but those aren’t easy to find or cheap. Find a vet shooter. Find another vet big with a bit more athletic ability to at least stay in front of the Bam’s and AD’s.

This team only goes as far as Tatum and Brown in the end, but some fine tuning would be nice.

Yeah I can get with that too which is why I also could see us pivoting that way...

But if we just draft more rookies and roll it back with some additional rookies that would be a pretty big fail.

Yeah, if I hear anything about cost controlled rookies this offseason, I’m gonna scream, lol. Pick up a rookie or two, if need be, but this bench needs to be cleared out for veterans who are willing to play spot minutes (so no Morris type of vets). Find me the ring chasers.