Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Omicron & Delta Variants)

[Bucksmaniac]

What happened to the herd immunity the right promised?

What happened to herd immunity not being created from vaccines? Even if 99% got vaxxed it wouldn’t be there unfortunately. In general herd immunity works more short term than people, even scientists thought.

[Larry_Russell]

What happened to the herd immunity the right promised?

The only herd mentality the developed world has now is what their phone tells them to have.

Those dopamine hits from likes and shares.

[CelticFaninLBC]

What happened to the herd immunity the right promised?

What happened to herd immunity not being created from vaccines? Even if 99% got vaxxed it wouldn’t be there unfortunately. In general herd immunity works more short term than people, even scientists thought.

Don't recall that being a promise of the vaccines??

[SuperDeluxe]

What happened to the herd immunity the right promised?

What happened to herd immunity not being created from vaccines? Even if 99% got vaxxed it wouldn’t be there unfortunately. In general herd immunity works more short term than people, even scientists thought.

Herd immunity would work if more people were vaccinated and/or had natural immunity, which would prevent the virus from surviving this long by mutating.

[ddb]

What happened to the herd immunity the right promised?

What happened to herd immunity not being created from vaccines? Even if 99% got vaxxed it wouldn’t be there unfortunately. In general herd immunity works more short term than people, even scientists thought.

Herd immunity would work if more people were vaccinated and/or had natural immunity, which would prevent the virus from surviving this long by mutating.

well there you go. I have natural immunity, and you're vaccinated. we can be a herd. progress.

[greenroom31]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I understand the purpose of this thread to be for people who have actual valid information and medical knowledge (like Ex) to help share information with those of us open to hearing and learning from it.

That's why I continue to check this thread. It's not to hear ddb and the other anti-MSM, anti-vax people make the same factually incorrect arguments over and over again, or to watch them start flamewars.

If I'm wrong about the purpose of this thread, please let me know. If not, I'd like to ask for one of two things to happen:

1. Could mods possibly restrict the posting on this thread to only be useful content that fits the above description?

2. If that's too much work (which I totally understand) can all the other posters in this thread put ddb, scarletfire, and whoever else (though those seem to be the main two conspiracy theorists on here) on ignore or just simply stop taking the bait? I'd love for them to stop trolling, but it won't happen. So if we can all just completely ignore them, they will eventually go away. Attention is what keeps them here, so if you stop giving them that validation, they will stop posting. I know this is super hard as well.

Barring the above, can we agree that this thread has been a complete failure and simply push people to go to the Current Affairs board (or wherever the appropriate place is) to have this discussion?

Thanks and I'm not trying to backseat mod, I promise. I appreciate all the mods do and know it is a thankless job. Just seems this thread has reached a point where the status quo isn't cutting it anymore.

[SuperDeluxe]

What happened to herd immunity not being created from vaccines? Even if 99% got vaxxed it wouldn’t be there unfortunately. In general herd immunity works more short term than people, even scientists thought.

Herd immunity would work if more people were vaccinated and/or had natural immunity, which would prevent the virus from surviving this long by mutating.

well there you go. I have natural immunity, and you're vaccinated. we can be a herd. progress.

How did you get natural immunity?

[ddb]

Herd immunity would work if more people were vaccinated and/or had natural immunity, which would prevent the virus from surviving this long by mutating.

well there you go. I have natural immunity, and you're vaccinated. we can be a herd. progress.

How did you get natural immunity?

I don't think you've read all my posts. My wife, children and I have all had it. Wife and kids symptomatic and I was Asymptomatic, but did lose sense of smell & taste for a little while. my antibodies are strong. I am a big believer in what Ron Desantis is doing with his monoclonal antibody drug...
I've never said I dislike or think people are crazy for getting vaccinated. I choose not to be for various reasons, some of which I shared on here. This thread has gone sideways and needs to get back on track. We are all unique human beings. I dislike the way some respond and treat others on here, I've been guilty of it too.
I absolutely believe some stuff that you guys think is madness and vice versa. So what. isn't that what this board is all about?

[exculpatory]

What a **** show this thread is.

That is simply not true.

If you get past the attempts of our small clique of dangerously ignorant morons to sabotage this thread with disinformation & the resultant abuse they deservedly receive, & simply read the state of the art Covid medicine links I post, summarize & explain, this thread is invaluable for a very large number of people on this board.

[exculpatory]

You know what. **** this ****. Clearly we have lunatics posting on here.
I don’t need this is my healthy life. I get back from a 3 mile jog taking care of myself, doing it the way I believe, and some clown is wishing death on me.

Be thankful you can hide behind your screen.

People are ugly behind their screen because they can be ugly with no repercussions unfortunately. I’m engaging here because there’s some interesting discussion and enough on the skeptical side of the vaccine debate that it’s not entirely one sided. That said exculpatory’s posts definitely read like he’s unhinged, not exactly a steady guiding hand he should be if he’s in the medical field; hopefully that’s not the case in real life.

Would you like to wager every **** penny you have that I am indeed a multi-decade experienced & dedicated physician?

Would you?

You are not reading the posts that matter.

Try actually reading some of the numerous Covid medical links I have posted & my summaries thereof.

The reason I abuse DDB & a few others is that (after numerous attempts to patiently & politely explain the truth of Covid medicine accompanied by the best references possible), I have reached my saturation point regarding the ignorant disinformation they continue to post.

I am far from unhinged.
I simply abhor these dangerous morons.

[exculpatory]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I understand the purpose of this thread to be for people who have actual valid information and medical knowledge (like Ex) to help share information with those of us open to hearing and learning from it.

That's why I continue to check this thread. It's not to hear ddb and the other anti-MSM, anti-vax people make the same factually incorrect arguments over and over again, or to watch them start flamewars.

I wish that I could periodically provide Covid updates & links (without this thread being sabotaged by our small group of dangerously ignorant morons spreading disinformation). That is how it began a long time ago. I do it for people like you, SD, Thom, CL etc - who appreciate my efforts.

It is hard not to see the garbage these idiots continue to post. I will try not to take the bait.

[ddb]

https://thefederalist.com/2021/12/20/damning-emails-prove-fauci-and-collins-colluded-to-nuke-herd-immunity-strategies/

there will be so much of this being exposed in the months/years ahead that it'll make your head explode.

[exculpatory]

Back to true Covid Science:

https://www.mdlinx.com/news/omicron-may-sideline-two-leading-drugs-against-covid-19/7JqhHsl6tK2psV4kHtgdTu?show_order=1&article_type=selected&utm_campaign=ealert_122021_Including_SD_ordt_pre&tag=Evening&ipost_environment=m3usainc&utm_medium=email&utm_source=iPost&iqs=9z2znv6sm25mgtfc6n1t24nm50nd1g34hddffjucrbo

Omicron may sideline two leading drugs against COVID-19 12/20/2021 REGENERON COMBINATION & REMDESIVIR DO NOT COVER OMICRON EFFECTIVELY - LEAVING US WITH A LIMITED SUPPLY OF GLAXO’S SOTROVIMAB & A LIMITED SUPPLY OF PFIZER’S SOON-TO-BE-APPROVED PAXLOVID PILL.

In the near future, some of our best people are predicting 1 million new cases per day. Most of those going to the ICU & possibly dying will be the unvaccinated morons & the most vulnerable/at risk amongst the double vaccinated or even double vaccinated & boosted. As described above, we will not have the same weapons that were useful VS Delta.

Your very best option is to boost, mask with a N95 or KN95, & distance.

Here is some irony for you:
If one of our inbred morons on this forum (who apparently has already survived a bout of Covid) received the booster, he would be as well protected or even BETTER protected than those of us who received the booster after previous double vaccination. If he does not obtain the booster, he will be at huge risk for Covid reinfection w Omicron - which he will easily spread to those around him. The Omicron R value is 8-9 - meaning 1 person on average will transmit it to 8-9 others.

Another piece of information:
The reason Omicron has ~50 mutations (including ~30 in the spike protein) is because the unvaccinated morons excessively transmitted previous variants. Transmission begets replication begets mutations. And sooner rather than later, you end up with a highly mutated variant like Omicron - which spreads much more rapidly & evades vaccination efficacy & prior effective monoclonal antibody therapy.

[coach mang]

whoaaa... ddb hit us w/ a haymaker holmes

these bubs think they gonna just slink off into retirement after wut they done did... and who knows maybe they is

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/francis-collins-step-down-director-national-institutes-health


at least theres a few folks thinking about trying to hold these techpopes accountable... but dont hold ye bweath on dat

https://brownstone.org/articles/who-will-be-held-responsible-for-this-devastation/


technopope got such a hold on da info hose dat they still got bubs in here waxing poetic on masks

https://brownstone.org/articles/more-than-150-comparative-studies-and-articles-on-mask-ineffectiveness-and-harms/




since there was some interest in this thwead on COGNITIVE WARFARE a few wks back lets zoom da vintage leica lens out even further n take some snapshots of the current state o da metanarrative... this was a long'un but good'un on the Global Public-Private Partnership

https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/12/investigative-reports/the-new-normal-the-civil-society-deception/




another good'un on digital WAXeen Passports

https://www.dailyveracity.com/2021/12/17/the-shadowy-cia-data-firms-behind-the-creation-of-digital-vaccine-passport-ids/

Watch on YouTube

[ddb]

Read on Twitter

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[exculpatory]

Change of Pace from Covid:

https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/107/1/10/6371009

JCEM 1/2022

Pituitary disease has always been one of my special interests!


SD: Check out the lead author!

Fabienne Langlois
Department of Medicine, Division of Endocrinology, Centre intégré universitaire de santé et de services sociaux de l’Estrie - Centre Hospitalier Universitaire de Sherbrooke, Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada

[Jaqua92]

The lie about unvaccinated people spreading Covid is so anti-science and so anti-truth...

You know absolutely NOTHING about science or medicine, you dangerously dumb **** turd.

You truly are a disgrace to mankind.

Yup, 99.9% of the smartest epidemiologists, virologists & infectious disease physicians on the planet have analyzed beyond massive amounts of data over 2 years & all agree that unvaccinated pukes like yourself incontrovertibly & indisputably are the overwhelmingly predominant spreaders of Covid (and the reason worse & worse variants are emerging) - but you know better.

Unbelievable arrogance combined with indescribable ignorance.

Get ****, you sack of ****.

keep telling yourself that. I'm not sinking back down to your level. all you do is fear monger and then bash people that disagree with you. you're so tough behind the keyboard. I wish I was more like you ex.

He's a doctor. While the projection of his own anxiety, and the resulting fear mongering came off as unnecessarily agressive there, it comes from a legitimate concerned and real place.

Please, just consider that you may be wrong here.

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[Jaqua92]

You are in fact the disgrace based on your words and how you treat people. You have no clue about my contributions towards humanity. none. I think you're disgusting simply by how you communicate on here. I, unlike you, can co-exist with people with different medical, political, and religious views as me. In fact, I need to every day professionally. I have EVERY RIGHT to post what I want to post on this thread. This isn't a pro-vaccine coronavirus thread. I have the right to post what I want on here, as do you.

If you don't like what I have to say, ignore it. Plus, I thought you blocked me? Anyone who doesn't like what I have to say can choose not to read it.

For a long long time, I tried to patiently explain the true science to you - citing, quoting & explaining peer reviewed publications written by the best medical minds on planet earth. No insults. No bashing.
And you ignored everything I said…and continued to spout blatantly ignorant & very dangerous disinformation.
And then you exceeded my tolerance level.
You deserve to be disparaged in every possible way.
You are truly scum of the earth - a lethal & dangerous combination of stupidity, willful ignorance, hubris & arrogance.
Caveman was spot on the other day - trying to educate abject morons like you, JMR, Scarlet & a couple of others about Covid is analogous to trying to teach astrophysics to my dog.

Have you ever considered that you're wrong? Or that what you believe is a big lie?

Have you?

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[Jaqua92]

This thread is painfully toxic. Forget about the facts.

How can effective communication and proper scientific education/discussion POSSIBLY occur when there's just so much floating anger and anxiety hijacking and dominating dialogue?

In addition to the medical concerns, our country's collective mental health is taking an absolute beating right now, and this thread is the embodiment of that.

All we can do is educate ourselves, others, get vaccinated, breath, and recognize when we need to check in with ourselves, and take care of our anger and anxiety. When what we know and teach is met with resistance, further persistence is more or less self harm. All we can do is offer education, and recognize when we are losing ourselves.

That's not what's happening in this thread.


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[exculpatory]

This thread is painfully toxic. Forget about the facts.

How can effective communication and proper scientific education/discussion POSSIBLY occur when there's just so much floating anger and anxiety hijacking and dominating dialogue?

In addition to the medical concerns, our country's collective mental health is taking an absolute beating right now, and this thread is the embodiment of that.

All we can do is educate ourselves, others, get vaccinated, breath, and recognize when we need to check in with ourselves, and take care of our anger and anxiety. When what we know and teach is met with resistance, further persistence is more or less self harm. All we can do is offer education, and recognize when we are losing ourselves.

That's not what's happening in this thread.


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No you are wrong.

THE MATERIAL BELOW is literally overflowing with vitally important Covid medicine. It IS what is happening in this thread when it is not being sabotaged by a few willfully ignorant & dangerously misinformed morons.

There are many on this board who want this information.

I posted this earlier today & have posted innumerable other posts just like this filled with true Covid medicine substantiated by the best & most recent publications on the planet.

“Back to true Covid Science:

https://www.mdlinx.com/news/omicron-may-sideline-two-leading-drugs-against-covid-19/7JqhHsl6tK2psV4kHtgdTu?show_order=1&article_type=selected&utm_campaign=ealert_122021_Including_SD_ordt_pre&tag=Evening&ipost_environment=m3usainc&utm_medium=email&utm_source=iPost&iqs=9z2znv6sm25mgtfc6n1t24nm50nd1g34hddffjucrbo

Omicron may sideline two leading drugs against COVID-19 12/20/2021 REGENERON COMBINATION & REMDESIVIR DO NOT COVER OMICRON EFFECTIVELY - LEAVING US WITH A LIMITED SUPPLY OF GLAXO’S SOTROVIMAB & A LIMITED SUPPLY OF PFIZER’S SOON-TO-BE-APPROVED PAXLOVID PILL.

In the near future, some of our best people are predicting 1 million new cases per day. Most of those going to the ICU & possibly dying will be the unvaccinated morons & the most vulnerable/at risk amongst the double vaccinated or even double vaccinated & boosted. As described above, we will not have the same weapons that were useful VS Delta.

Your very best option is to boost, mask with a N95 or KN95, & distance.

Here is some irony for you:
If one of our inbred morons on this forum (who apparently has already survived a bout of Covid) received the booster, he would be as well protected or even BETTER protected than those of us who received the booster after previous double vaccination. If he does not obtain the booster, he will be at huge risk for Covid reinfection w Omicron - which he will easily spread to those around him. The Omicron R value is 8-9 - meaning 1 person on average will transmit it to 8-9 others.

Another piece of information:
The reason Omicron has ~50 mutations (including ~30 in the spike protein) is because the unvaccinated morons excessively transmitted previous variants. Transmission begets replication begets mutations. And sooner rather than later, you end up with a highly mutated variant like Omicron - which spreads much more rapidly & evades vaccination efficacy & prior effective monoclonal antibody therapy.”