Last Train to Celticsville Trade Thread

[chrisab123]

OKC is way under the cap, JH and 1-2 second rounders into their cap space? Could add Nesmith and take back one of their cheaper young guys too.. Theo Maledon? Or you could try to get Mike Muscala, depends on Aaron's value.

Trading Nesmith and JH with picks for Muscala is a brilliant asset wasting move. But ducks the tax so...

[Hal14]

I would like Barnes on the team very much but considering the team has signaled they're going to duck the tax, I doubt they'll make a move for either of them

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From Jake Fischer yesterday:

Boston is expected to avoid the tax and therefore likely won't be able to afford the point guard this offseason, which was also why the Celtics moved Daniel Theis to the Bulls last season. New York, Cleveland and Dallas have been mentioned as potential destinations for Schroder.

I think they were planning on being a tax team but the losses shifted the convo the other way

Maybe...but i'm not really sure if Jake Fischer is a credible source..

[Andrew McCeltic]

OKC is way under the cap, JH and 1-2 second rounders into their cap space? Could add Nesmith and take back one of their cheaper young guys too.. Theo Maledon? Or you could try to get Mike Muscala, depends on Aaron's value.

Trading Nesmith and JH with picks for Muscala is a brilliant asset wasting move. But ducks the tax so...

Ok, take out Nesmith, but.. if you don't, DS for Jalen Smith and Juancho/Aaron for Maledon takes 10 million off our cap and puts us almost 4 million under the tax line. We'd be like 200k under the line if we keep Nesmith. 2.2 mil if we didn't get Maledon. Any of the OKC permutations I'm good with. No Maledon, keep Aaron, cut Horford next year and we'd be six million under the tax line to fill six roster spots, one would be Jalen, ideally, one our first-round pick. So we're in the tax no matter what, but if we wanted to pay more, you could take back big money for Al's expiring, too.

[bucknersrevenge]

Here's a simple one:

Dennis for Dorian Finney Smith

Mavs get an additional ballhandler who can attack the basket for the Mavs which is a skillset they don't have a lot of.

In Finney-Smith, we get a versatile swing who is shooting 39.6% on C&S 3's.

He's a FA after this season though so a decision would have to be made after this season. But if we supposedly like the Jeff Green type of player, Finney-Smith makes sense.

[Andrew McCeltic]

DS for Jalen Smith, Juancho/2nd for Maledon leaves you under the tax with

Smart/PP/Theo
Jaylen/JRich/Romeo
Tatum/JRich again/Nesmith
Al/Rob/Grant/Jalen Smith/(Enes)/Bruno) in the front court

+ no ability to add a fifteenth player except by hardship contracts

[Andrew McCeltic]

I like that scenario, more smart, cap-savvy moves to make marginal deals with some upside. Bringing the back of the rotation up to par.. and if a lucky Horford trade materializes that doesn't take you over the tax this year..

[bucknersrevenge]

Amendment to my previous trade proposal:

Didn't realize Gallo's age, no bueno. I'm trying to bring in shooting, and I think Bogi for Marcus could work for both teams. But that leaves us without a PG, which is why i think the big moves come the off season where we can get Brogdan.

Bogi for Marcus, Richardson/Juancho for Hield and a 1st rd pick (Buddy is having a down yr, has a huge contract and is a huge bonehead, but he can shoot the lights out).

Then, a 1st rounder and Horf for Brogdan. Pacers take the likely mid 1st (or late lotto) pick for the rebuild, and keep under the tax buying out Al.

Brogdan/Pritch
Bogi/Buddy
JB/Nesmith
JT/Grant
Rob/Enes

That bench is very, very intriguing. It could really work out or be a total nightmare lol. Potential shooting 1-4 but also a lot of "what ifs"

I think Hield would thrive in a role next to the Jay's. Down year from a FG% standpoint but he's still shooting 38% from 3 and only 2 players in the league have more C&S 3's than him. His contract actually declines from here for the next 2 years after this one and ends below 20M. His contract is not that big, for an elite shooter and he is ELITE.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Jabari's salary for the first half of the season does count against the tax, though, right?

[Andrew McCeltic]

Remember Hield sucks defensively - his defensive rating this year is a career low, I think - and he's getting paid to shoot 43 percent from 3, not 38.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Buddy Hield is a bad treadmill move, you get frustrated by the close losses, change for the sake of change is tempting, you talk yourself into a marginal improvement making a big difference and you're saddled to an overpaid player who's overpaid even if he's shooting at an elite rate.

[bisme37]

That guy in the Kings thread is soo full of SHIII

I've called him out 100x, the mods basically just say to ignore it. I'm not the only one either, we lost probably 3-5 solid members when he first popped around a few years back. Everyone got tired of blatant lies tying up the thread.

It's entertaining, sometimes. And he's really committed to the bit. But Jesus f*ck it's stupid. You have to hope he's full of sh*t, otherwise the Kings FO is chicken with its head cut off dumb.

Hes so committed. First of all, his typing is god awful. I refuse to believe Kings management is feeding information to someone who puts a space before every period. LOL

Second, not a single thing hes said has ever come to pass. Its mostly just been "it could happen but trades fall apart all the time". Its just a collection of wiretap, reddit, random twitter conversations, then merged into "credible rumors that may or may not happen".

Id imagine hes a bored kid who initially started it out as a troll. When he was called out and the mods defended him, he kept up the bit and hasn't let it up. You would think after 3 years of spewing nonsense it would be stopped, but I guess the board is so dead nobody cares enough.

Hey guys (Andrew and PizzaGuy) please avoid the personal attacks and calling people trolls. Just debate the content of the comments you disagree with and leave the insults out of it. Or, better yet, ignore the dude you're making fun of and forget about it. Also please don't intentionally misspell words to evade the language filter.

Thanks and carry on.

[Andrew McCeltic]

sorry, late afternoon lapse of impulse control

[Theocy]

Buddy Hield is a bad treadmill move, you get frustrated by the close losses, change for the sake of change is tempting, you talk yourself into a marginal improvement making a big difference and you're saddled to an overpaid player who's overpaid even if he's shooting at an elite rate.

I mean yah he isnt anything special defending but looking at this team do we really need any more defense?
We're top 5 in def efficiency and one of the worst teams when we try to score. Even our young picks, Romeo and Nesmith seem like they're brilliant in putting the effort but we lack so much trying to score.

I dont mind one player in our starting 5 to be one sided. Jaylen, Tatum RW and Smart and even Grondo are at least okay defending. Some nights you need a spark.

[Feed Your Head]

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From Jake Fischer yesterday:

Boston is expected to avoid the tax and therefore likely won't be able to afford the point guard this offseason, which was also why the Celtics moved Daniel Theis to the Bulls last season. New York, Cleveland and Dallas have been mentioned as potential destinations for Schroder.

I think they were planning on being a tax team but the losses shifted the convo the other way

Maybe...but i'm not really sure if Jake Fischer is a credible source..

Fischer is one of the best there are, right in that next tier behind shams/Woj.

Things are always changing, so obviously they can change with this, but Fischer is solid as hell.

[bucknersrevenge]

Remember Hield sucks defensively - his defensive rating this year is a career low, I think - and he's getting paid to shoot 43 percent from 3, not 38.

Our team defense can support the tradeoff IMO and the spacing he would provide would be such a benefit to the Jay's. The boost in efficiency he would add on offense would allow to set up our defense after a made basket more often. Again, only 3 players have hit more 3's off the catch this year than him. He is prolific at what he does.

[sully00]

I am not convinced Mithcell's ready for prime time Smart is just a solid vet player and he is signed and would have value at the draft as well if you want to flip him. He would certainly provide and attitude adjustment and be a low usage compliment to Haliburton.

I don't get this Smart = attitude upgrade talk. The Celtics have been criticized for their attitude issues the last three years. Smart has been central to these issues. What makes anyone here think that injecting Smart into a locker room would turn a group of losers into winners? And what makes anyone here think the other front offices haven't caught onto this?

Sorry no. Look I don't care if you love or hate Smart the guy doesn't have an attitude problem and if the team felt that he did they wouldn't have extended him. The problem with this roster is a lack confidence outside Tatum and Brown. Marcus at times has too much confidence but it is recognizing what is needed. He probably isn't a good enough player to be the 3rd star on a good team and that is sort of the role he is cast in right now. But his attitude and the way he approaches the game is a winning asset. It is just unfortunate that he can't find a way to score about 4 more ppg because it would probably have this team winning about 5 more games and end all of hand wringing.

[sully00]

I would like Barnes on the team very much but considering the team has signaled they're going to duck the tax, I doubt they'll make a move for either of them

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From Jake Fischer yesterday:

Boston is expected to avoid the tax and therefore likely won't be able to afford the point guard this offseason, which was also why the Celtics moved Daniel Theis to the Bulls last season. New York, Cleveland and Dallas have been mentioned as potential destinations for Schroder.

I think they were planning on being a tax team but the losses shifted the convo the other way

Boston's issue with trying to keep Schroder has nothing to do with paying the tax. They don't have an exception to pay him what he is probably worth on the open market. They will be limited to a modest raise at his current salary. They are going to pay attention to that tax line, lets face it there is no point in paying it for a crappy team but seeing how making the playoffs is now a participation trophy what are you going to do.

I am not thrilled with how the team has played but at the same time it is really about 4 or 5 games that they should have won and if they did they would be the 4 seed right now. I actually think Brad has a pretty damn good mind for the GM part of the job. Two of Boston's best players went to the Knicks and they got worse both the players and the team.

Ironically in some ways the way the team has played works into Brad's hands a little. Teams won't feel like they are trading with Godzilla.

[sully00]

Here's a simple one:

Dennis for Dorian Finney Smith

Mavs get an additional ballhandler who can attack the basket for the Mavs which is a skillset they don't have a lot of.

In Finney-Smith, we get a versatile swing who is shooting 39.6% on C&S 3's.

He's a FA after this season though so a decision would have to be made after this season. But if we supposedly like the Jeff Green type of player, Finney-Smith makes sense.

The reason they want Green is that they want another 4 man who can shoot 3's. They don't want Jaylen and Jayson playing the 4 at least during the regular season. I feel like Finney-Smith is a 2-3.

[Curmudgeon]

Finney-Smith is a Carlisle fave, so if he's moved, it might be to Indiana. As for Jalen Smith (as I keep saying), he's gone at the end of the year just like Schroder will be gone. So what's the point? If you are making a playoff push, you don't want a 20 year-old playing big minutes. If you are rebuilding, you want a guy you can keep if he pans out. Jeff Green makes infinitely more sense.

If you are talking about a deal like Schroder and a second to OKC for Theo Maladon, Kenrich Williams or Kyle Singler, those are also deals that make sense. Alas, Dort is probably a guy they want to keep.

OKC is going to use that cap space to facilitate deals and collect even more picks.

[bucknersrevenge]

Here's a simple one:

Dennis for Dorian Finney Smith

Mavs get an additional ballhandler who can attack the basket for the Mavs which is a skillset they don't have a lot of.

In Finney-Smith, we get a versatile swing who is shooting 39.6% on C&S 3's.

He's a FA after this season though so a decision would have to be made after this season. But if we supposedly like the Jeff Green type of player, Finney-Smith makes sense.

The reason they want Green is that they want another 4 man who can shoot 3's. They don't want Jaylen and Jayson playing the 4 at least during the regular season. I feel like Finney-Smith is a 2-3.

He's 6-7, 6-8 but the main reason I disagree with you is because he's played pretty much his entire career at the 3/4 spots. Over 50% of his minutes this year and 5 out of the 6 years he's played have been at the 4 spot. He doesn't even have the guard skills to play the 2. He's a better shooter than Green is and it's not particularly close. With 3 guys all around roughly the same size it really won't matter anyway when all 3 are on the floor which I kinda think is the point.