2024 NBA Draft Thread – (June 26 & 27)

[djFan71]

I wonder if WAS would trade 26 for 30 and something? Future 54 & 2nd? They already have 51, so maybe just 30 and one of the better future 2nds?

Getting ahead of DEN and Danny would be nice. Gets you into range for Holmes or Tyson or someone before they pluck them right before us.

I don't advocate trading up but if they want to go that way I think the most obvious/logical partner is the Knicks. New York has #24 and #25 and teams generally don't like having to make back to back picks. Besides they aren't looking to add multiple young players right now (and Thibs won't play them anyway). The New York front office also has a history of trading down or out of the draft, for instance #11 for three future protected first rounders in 2022.

Yeah, I looked at them too then lowered my expectations, lol. I just don't think we have enough to jump too many spots. Even to WAS is a stretch, imo, but if we could get up there to them or NYK, I'd do it. They already have #2, so a 4 spot drop to add future picks might be attractive.

I'm talking using minimal assets to make it happen. And you'd have to have a target guy that you didn't think would get past DEN, MIN, UTA (or WAS if NYK).

[Dogen]

New updated Mock.

https://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft

someone reads my posts at Tankathon

I wanted a tall lead guard..

Carrington is dropped right in the "Murderers' Row" of late first/early second SG's: Tyson, Carrington, Dunn, Jones, McCullar, Sallis -- all lined up on Tankathon like ducks in a row.

So now I gotta check out this Carlton "Bub" Carrington guy. He's just under 19 now, so maybe doesn't fit into "can contribute on a contender right away" category, but age doesn't necessarily translate into court readiness.

First take: looks very smooth passing, moving with the ball and shooting, but maybe a bit slow. Poor man's Fox/Maxey? (He sees himself in the Murray/Booker mode)

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

[redslastlaugh]

Lou Williams/Jamal Crawford vibes for me… poormans of course, lol

New updated Mock.

https://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft

someone reads my posts at Tankathon

I wanted a tall lead guard..

Carrington is dropped right in the "Murderers' Row" of late first/early second SG's: Tyson, Carrington, Dunn, Jones, McCullar, Sallis -- all lined up on Tankathon like ducks in a row.

So now I gotta check out this Carlton Carrington guy. He's just under 19 now, so maybe doesn't fit into "can contribute on a contender right away" category, but age doesn't necessarily translate into court readiness.

First take: looks very smooth passing, moving with the ball and shooting, but maybe a bit slow. Poor man's Fox/Maxey?

Watch on YouTube

[165bows]

New updated Mock.

https://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft

someone reads my posts at Tankathon

I wanted a tall lead guard..

Carrington is dropped right in the "Murderers' Row" of late first/early second SG's: Tyson, Carrington, Dunn, Jones, McCullar, Sallis -- all lined up on Tankathon like ducks in a row.

So now I gotta check out this Carlton "Bub" Carrington guy. He's just under 19 now, so maybe doesn't fit into "can contribute on a contender right away" category, but age doesn't necessarily translate into court readiness.

First take: looks very smooth passing, moving with the ball and shooting, but maybe a bit slow. Poor man's Fox/Maxey? (He sees himself in the Murray/Booker mode)

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Cam Christie in that mix too.

[Dogen]

Lou Williams/Jamal Crawford vibes for me… poormans of course, lol

New updated Mock.

https://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft

someone reads my posts at Tankathon

I wanted a tall lead guard..

Carrington is dropped right in the "Murderers' Row" of late first/early second SG's: Tyson, Carrington, Dunn, Jones, McCullar, Sallis -- all lined up on Tankathon like ducks in a row.

So now I gotta check out this Carlton Carrington guy. He's just under 19 now, so maybe doesn't fit into "can contribute on a contender right away" category, but age doesn't necessarily translate into court readiness.

First take: looks very smooth passing, moving with the ball and shooting, but maybe a bit slow. Poor man's Fox/Maxey?

Poor man's Lou, Jamal, Maxey, Murray -- still OK for a 30th pick in a weak draft. But are the C's interested in an offense-first 19-year-old right now? He'd need to be a really good "get me a bucket" guy for Joe to play him (assuming Joe is coach next year).

Sure is smooth though. Hints of Anfernee Simmons? Maybe he's not the guy for next season, but Celtics could really use a guy off the bench who can create his own shot.

Watch on YouTube

[djFan71]

I feel like Jamal Shead is our 54 pick. I always want a flier on a big that late. We end up with a short PG instead. Shead isn't THAT short, but he's not tall either, lol.

[Hal14]

Carrington is interesting. I could see him going as high as like the 12-18 range (which would mean no way in hell we get him). But I could also see him possibly slipping to like the 25-35 range.

The draft can be pretty unpredictable like that. Every year there's guys who go higher (Josh Primo, David Roddy, Ziaire Williams, Santi Aldama) or lower (TJD, BJ Boston, Jared Butler, Sharife Cooper, Jaden Hardy, EJ Liddell) than expected.

If we end up with a pick in like the 36-46 range and we take him, fine. But I'm not really jumping through hoops to take him higher than that because:

a) Guard who is kind of undersized (only measured 6'3.75" without shoes at combine), good shooter but really doesn't do much else..average at best defensively, average at best as a playmaker..skinny, needs to bulk up..young player..kind of a project..only thing he does well is shoot and he didn't even do that efficiently in college..doesn't really get to the rim, relies on off the dribble jumpers a lot..when I think about what recent prospects that description reminds me of, I think of guys like Tre Mann, Jalen Hood-Schifino, Terquavion Smith, Tyty Washington and perhaps Nick Smith Jr. None of those guys have really done much in the NBA.

b) How is Carrington getting minutes in Boston? I feel like it would be another Nesmith situation. Young guy with talent but needs development, needs NBA reps to develop but no real path to get those mins so has to get traded to a team where he can get those mins.

Any draft pick would have an uphill battle to try and carve out a role on a team as good as the Celtics - a team with depth and talent at every position. That's why the most likely outcome is trading out of the 1st round - taking a guy in the 35 - 60 range. Why? Because there's much less risk if that player doesn't end up contributing for Boston. It's much less of an investment than drafting a guy at 30, or moving up into the 20's.

We drafted 2 guys in the lottery (Nesmith, Langford) who couldn't earn a rotation spot - and that was when we had less depth and talent than we do now.

I just don't really see a path for us to draft and guard and that player actually gets minutes here. If we grab a guard as an UDFA, fine. But if we're using draft capital, I'd rather go for a big, forward or wing..

[Hal14]

FWIW, he's where I'm currently at with the top 50 on my personal big board.

Rank Player
1 Rob Dillingham
2 Alexandre Sarr
3 Ron Holland
4 Zaccharie Risacher
5 Donovan Clingan
6 Matas Buzelis
7 Stephon Castle
8 Dalton Knecht
9 Jamir Watkins
10 Devin Carter
11 Cody Williams
12 Tyler Smith
13 Nikola Topic
14 Reed Sheppard
15 Nikola Đurišić
16 Jaylon Tyson
17 Kyle Filipowski
18 Isaiah Collier
19 Kel'el Ware
20 Tyler Kolek
21 Yves Missi
22 Tristan Da Silva
23 Pacome Dadiet
24 Ryan Dunn
25 Alex Karaban
26 Baylor Scheierman
27 Carlton Carrington
28 DaRon Holmes
29 Hunter Sallis
30 Jared McCain
31 Zach Edey
32 Kevin McCullar Jr
33 Ja’Kobe Walter
34 Johnny Furphy
35 Isaiah Crawford
36 Tidjane Salaun
37 Enrique Freeman
38 Pelle Larsson
39 JT Toppin
40 Keshad Johnson
41 Coleman Hawkins
42 Jonathan Mogbo
43 Ulrich Chomche
44 KJ Simpson
45 Nique Clifford
46 Oso Ighodaro
47 Kyshawn George
48 Adem Bona
49 Reece Beekman
50 Tristen Newton

I'm obviously pretty high on Watkins. Would not hate it one bit if we drafted him.

[djFan71]

FWIW, he's where I'm currently at with the top 50 on my personal big board.

Spoiler:

Rank Player
1 Rob Dillingham
2 Alexandre Sarr
3 Ron Holland
4 Zaccharie Risacher
5 Donovan Clingan
6 Matas Buzelis
7 Stephon Castle
8 Dalton Knecht
9 Jamir Watkins
10 Devin Carter
11 Cody Williams
12 Tyler Smith
13 Nikola Topic
14 Reed Sheppard
15 Nikola Đurišić
16 Jaylon Tyson
17 Kyle Filipowski
18 Isaiah Collier
19 Kel'el Ware
20 Tyler Kolek
21 Yves Missi
22 Tristan Da Silva
23 Pacome Dadiet
24 Ryan Dunn
25 Alex Karaban
26 Baylor Scheierman
27 Carlton Carrington
28 DaRon Holmes
29 Hunter Sallis
30 Jared McCain
31 Zach Edey
32 Kevin McCullar Jr
33 Ja’Kobe Walter
34 Johnny Furphy
35 Isaiah Crawford
36 Tidjane Salaun
37 Enrique Freeman
38 Pelle Larsson
39 JT Toppin
40 Keshad Johnson
41 Coleman Hawkins
42 Jonathan Mogbo
43 Ulrich Chomche
44 KJ Simpson
45 Nique Clifford
46 Oso Ighodaro
47 Kyshawn George
48 Adem Bona
49 Reece Beekman
50 Tristen Newton

I'd love to get one of Tristan Da Silva, Pacome Dadiet, DaRon Holmes. Hence my new trade up approach, lol
If not, trade back with POR and get 2 from the Sallis, McCullar, Tyson, Clifford, George, Bridges, Watkins, etc list.

[redslastlaugh]

I agree that Danny, Denver and Minnesota are three teams that are fearless drafters and theres a good chance one of them will steal our guy, lol.

That said, I wonder if Brad just constitutionally prefers to trade down. He might just see the draft as a sellers market, you got all these GMs desperate to hit on potential, so Brad sells. Trade down, add seconds. Then use the seconds at the trade deadline which is way more of a buyers market.

If thats how Brad feels, hed really have to love a prospect to trade up.

I wonder if WAS would trade 26 for 30 and something? Future 54 & 2nd? They already have 51, so maybe just 30 and one of the better future 2nds?

Getting ahead of DEN and Danny would be nice. Gets you into range for Holmes or Tyson or someone before they pluck them right before us.

I don't advocate trading up but if they want to go that way I think the most obvious/logical partner is the Knicks. New York has #24 and #25 and teams generally don't like having to make back to back picks. Besides they aren't looking to add multiple young players right now (and Thibs won't play them anyway). The New York front office also has a history of trading down or out of the draft, for instance #11 for three future protected first rounders in 2022.

Yeah, I looked at them too then lowered my expectations, lol. I just don't think we have enough to jump too many spots. Even to WAS is a stretch, imo, but if we could get up there to them or NYK, I'd do it. They already have #2, so a 4 spot drop to add future picks might be attractive.

I'm talking using minimal assets to make it happen. And you'd have to have a target guy that you didn't think would get past DEN, MIN, UTA (or WAS if NYK).

[Hal14]

FWIW, he's where I'm currently at with the top 50 on my personal big board.

Spoiler:

Rank Player
1 Rob Dillingham
2 Alexandre Sarr
3 Ron Holland
4 Zaccharie Risacher
5 Donovan Clingan
6 Matas Buzelis
7 Stephon Castle
8 Dalton Knecht
9 Jamir Watkins
10 Devin Carter
11 Cody Williams
12 Tyler Smith
13 Nikola Topic
14 Reed Sheppard
15 Nikola Đurišić
16 Jaylon Tyson
17 Kyle Filipowski
18 Isaiah Collier
19 Kel'el Ware
20 Tyler Kolek
21 Yves Missi
22 Tristan Da Silva
23 Pacome Dadiet
24 Ryan Dunn
25 Alex Karaban
26 Baylor Scheierman
27 Carlton Carrington
28 DaRon Holmes
29 Hunter Sallis
30 Jared McCain
31 Zach Edey
32 Kevin McCullar Jr
33 Ja’Kobe Walter
34 Johnny Furphy
35 Isaiah Crawford
36 Tidjane Salaun
37 Enrique Freeman
38 Pelle Larsson
39 JT Toppin
40 Keshad Johnson
41 Coleman Hawkins
42 Jonathan Mogbo
43 Ulrich Chomche
44 KJ Simpson
45 Nique Clifford
46 Oso Ighodaro
47 Kyshawn George
48 Adem Bona
49 Reece Beekman
50 Tristen Newton

I'd love to get one of Tristan Da Silva, Pacome Dadiet, DaRon Holmes. Hence my new trade up approach, lol
If not, trade back with POR and get 2 from the Sallis, McCullar, Tyson, Clifford, George, Bridges, Watkins, etc list.

Idk..so trade for 2 Portland 2nd round picks and also use our pick at 54?

I don't see Brad drafting 3 guys in this draft. He's drafted 1 guy in each of the 3 drafts since moving into the front office. I figure he'll draft 1 guy - maybe 2, at the most.

We'll see.

[djFan71]

FWIW, he's where I'm currently at with the top 50 on my personal big board.

Spoiler:

Rank Player
1 Rob Dillingham
2 Alexandre Sarr
3 Ron Holland
4 Zaccharie Risacher
5 Donovan Clingan
6 Matas Buzelis
7 Stephon Castle
8 Dalton Knecht
9 Jamir Watkins
10 Devin Carter
11 Cody Williams
12 Tyler Smith
13 Nikola Topic
14 Reed Sheppard
15 Nikola Đurišić
16 Jaylon Tyson
17 Kyle Filipowski
18 Isaiah Collier
19 Kel'el Ware
20 Tyler Kolek
21 Yves Missi
22 Tristan Da Silva
23 Pacome Dadiet
24 Ryan Dunn
25 Alex Karaban
26 Baylor Scheierman
27 Carlton Carrington
28 DaRon Holmes
29 Hunter Sallis
30 Jared McCain
31 Zach Edey
32 Kevin McCullar Jr
33 Ja’Kobe Walter
34 Johnny Furphy
35 Isaiah Crawford
36 Tidjane Salaun
37 Enrique Freeman
38 Pelle Larsson
39 JT Toppin
40 Keshad Johnson
41 Coleman Hawkins
42 Jonathan Mogbo
43 Ulrich Chomche
44 KJ Simpson
45 Nique Clifford
46 Oso Ighodaro
47 Kyshawn George
48 Adem Bona
49 Reece Beekman
50 Tristen Newton

I'd love to get one of Tristan Da Silva, Pacome Dadiet, DaRon Holmes. Hence my new trade up approach, lol
If not, trade back with POR and get 2 from the Sallis, McCullar, Tyson, Clifford, George, Bridges, Watkins, etc list.

Idk..so trade for 2 Portland 2nd round picks and also use our pick at 54?

I don't see Brad drafting 3 guys in this draft. He's drafted 1 guy in each of the 3 drafts since moving into the front office. I figure he'll draft 1 guy - maybe 2, at the most.

We'll see.

Yeah, you push 54 into the future and/or POR asks for it, etc. We have 3 2-ways slots to restock, so it's not out of the question, but ideally you'd only make 2 picks.

[redslastlaugh]

Man, he is an interesting prospect and we don't have a guy like him the roster. Who was the last offense-first combo guard off the bench that we had? Jordan Crawford, lol? Side note: still crazy to me that Coach Brad got a 14pt/6assist season out of Crawford and Danny flipped him for a first! lol, what a legend!

But anyway, the one thing that Hal has pointed out is that Brad has consistently favored younger players in the draft. And this kid i what, 19? He could be in the mix and I wouldn't hate it, but when you look at D White and Jrue, the two guards Brad has acquired, it does seem like defense is a pretty big component in the formula. And Carrington seems to get dinged on his defense in the scouting reports.

But like you said, if you get a poormans Jamal Murray or Jamal Crawford, thats a nice find at pick 30 in a weak draft.

Lou Williams/Jamal Crawford vibes for me… poormans of course, lol

Carrington is dropped right in the "Murderers' Row" of late first/early second SG's: Tyson, Carrington, Dunn, Jones, McCullar, Sallis -- all lined up on Tankathon like ducks in a row.

So now I gotta check out this Carlton Carrington guy. He's just under 19 now, so maybe doesn't fit into "can contribute on a contender right away" category, but age doesn't necessarily translate into court readiness.

First take: looks very smooth passing, moving with the ball and shooting, but maybe a bit slow. Poor man's Fox/Maxey?

Poor man's Lou, Jamal, Maxey, Murray -- still OK for a 30th pick in a weak draft. But are the C's interested in an offense-first 19-year-old right now? He'd need to be a really good "get me a bucket" guy for Joe to play him (assuming Joe is coach next year).

Sure is smooth though. Hints of Anfernee Simmons? Maybe he's not the guy for next season, but Celtics could really use a guy off the bench who can create his own shot.

Watch on YouTube

[snowman]

I'd love to get one of Tristan Da Silva, Pacome Dadiet, DaRon Holmes. Hence my new trade up approach, lol
If not, trade back with POR and get 2 from the Sallis, McCullar, Tyson, Clifford, George, Bridges, Watkins, etc list.

Idk..so trade for 2 Portland 2nd round picks and also use our pick at 54?

I don't see Brad drafting 3 guys in this draft. He's drafted 1 guy in each of the 3 drafts since moving into the front office. I figure he'll draft 1 guy - maybe 2, at the most.

We'll see.

Yeah, you push 54 into the future and/or POR asks for it, etc. We have 3 2-ways slots to restock, so it's not out of the question, but ideally you'd only make 2 picks.

I don't think Brad uses the #30 to draft a player but trades it instead. Not sure Brad wants a guaranteed 4-year deal on the books unless it is someone that really jumps out at him like Walsh did. Very rare that happens at #30 though. I was looking at Portland also. I was thinking our #30 for their #34 and another future 2nd. That gives us #34 and #54. Or our #30 and #54 for their #34 and #40 would be even better, but doubt they do that. We could then restock our 2-ways better.

[djFan71]

I know it's poor form trading him during the playoffs, but...

BOS: Pritchard, 30 for Seth Curry & 18, 42, future 2nd
CHA: 30 for Curry, 42, future 2nd
ORL: Pritchard for 18

Maybe some salary from ORL to CHA if they want.

[djFan71]

^ I'd go DaSilva at 18. Develop Springer as 3rd guard with Curry as vet/4th.

[djFan71]

Combine measurements: https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro?SeasonYear=2024

Hal, like you said, Trevon Brazille wingspan is 7' 3.75'', not the 7'10" the ringer had him at that I fell for.
They updated it based on the combine results, though.

[playa-hater]

FWIW, he's where I'm currently at with the top 50 on my personal big board.

Rank Player
1 Rob Dillingham
2 Alexandre Sarr
3 Ron Holland
4 Zaccharie Risacher
5 Donovan Clingan
6 Matas Buzelis
7 Stephon Castle
8 Dalton Knecht
9 Jamir Watkins
10 Devin Carter
11 Cody Williams
12 Tyler Smith
13 Nikola Topic
14 Reed Sheppard
15 Nikola Đurišić
16 Jaylon Tyson
17 Kyle Filipowski
18 Isaiah Collier
19 Kel'el Ware
20 Tyler Kolek
21 Yves Missi
22 Tristan Da Silva
23 Pacome Dadiet
24 Ryan Dunn
25 Alex Karaban
26 Baylor Scheierman
27 Carlton Carrington
28 DaRon Holmes
29 Hunter Sallis
30 Jared McCain
31 Zach Edey
32 Kevin McCullar Jr
33 Ja’Kobe Walter
34 Johnny Furphy
35 Isaiah Crawford
36 Tidjane Salaun
37 Enrique Freeman
38 Pelle Larsson
39 JT Toppin
40 Keshad Johnson
41 Coleman Hawkins
42 Jonathan Mogbo
43 Ulrich Chomche
44 KJ Simpson
45 Nique Clifford
46 Oso Ighodaro
47 Kyshawn George
48 Adem Bona
49 Reece Beekman
50 Tristen Newton

I'm obviously pretty high on Watkins. Would not hate it one bit if we drafted him.

I don't know, 90% Of this list. So I can't judge anything.. But I will plus one the effort every time.

[Dogen]

FWIW, he's where I'm currently at with the top 50 on my personal big board.

I'm obviously pretty high on Watkins. Would not hate it one bit if we drafted him.

I don't know, 90% Of this list. So I can't judge anything. But I will plus one the effort every time.

I don't know either, but I always love the draft and like to watch videos and try to pick the steals. These young men are really amazing to even make it this far in the process and I hope they all have solid careers.

Since I don't know enough to make valid decisions, I'll take Hal's list and create a lotto out of the coolest names. I think I may do pretty well with this strategy... until after the first pick.

1. Zaccharie Risacher
2. Coleman Hawkins
3. Carlton "Bub" Carrington
4. Tidjane Salaun
5. Matas Buzelis
6. Nikola Đurišić
7. Oso Ighodaro
8. Kel'el Ware
9. Pacome Dadiet
10. Johnny Furphy
11. Ulrich Chomche
12. Reece Beekman
13. Donovan Clingan
14. Tristen Newton

[Smart2Nesmith43]

FWIW, he's where I'm currently at with the top 50 on my personal big board.

Spoiler:

Rank Player
1 Rob Dillingham
2 Alexandre Sarr
3 Ron Holland
4 Zaccharie Risacher
5 Donovan Clingan
6 Matas Buzelis
7 Stephon Castle
8 Dalton Knecht
9 Jamir Watkins
10 Devin Carter
11 Cody Williams
12 Tyler Smith
13 Nikola Topic
14 Reed Sheppard
15 Nikola Đurišić
16 Jaylon Tyson
17 Kyle Filipowski
18 Isaiah Collier
19 Kel'el Ware
20 Tyler Kolek
21 Yves Missi
22 Tristan Da Silva
23 Pacome Dadiet
24 Ryan Dunn
25 Alex Karaban
26 Baylor Scheierman
27 Carlton Carrington
28 DaRon Holmes
29 Hunter Sallis
30 Jared McCain
31 Zach Edey
32 Kevin McCullar Jr
33 Ja’Kobe Walter
34 Johnny Furphy
35 Isaiah Crawford
36 Tidjane Salaun
37 Enrique Freeman
38 Pelle Larsson
39 JT Toppin
40 Keshad Johnson
41 Coleman Hawkins
42 Jonathan Mogbo
43 Ulrich Chomche
44 KJ Simpson
45 Nique Clifford
46 Oso Ighodaro
47 Kyshawn George
48 Adem Bona
49 Reece Beekman
50 Tristen Newton

I'm obviously pretty high on Watkins. Would not hate it one bit if we drafted him.

I'm curious about the rationale of putting Dillingham #1 on your board when you already have concerns about Carrington's size who is a much, much larger human being. 6'1 with a 6'3 wingspan and 164lbs doesn't sound like an NBA player to me let alone a star. Is Trae Young the only player with that kind of physical profile in the league right now ? If Dillingham has to be Trae Young level good on offense to survive in the league, I'm not sure that betting on him is a high percentage play.