Trade/Free Agency Thread, whose NINE is it anyways?? 2023-24

[Celts17Pride]

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Who was the biggest signing this offseason with cap space? FVV?

I believe so.

[zoyathedestroya]

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Did he really also say that about Pritchard? He was describing himself.

This was the original clip:

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[darrendaye]

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Did he really also say that about Pritchard? He was describing himself.

This was the original clip:

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Hmmm, guess I gotta check the source on these things. That said, Payton is still a tough little guy.

[zoyathedestroya]

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Did he really also say that about Pritchard? He was describing himself.

This was the original clip:

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Hmmm, guess I gotta check the source on these things. That said, Payton is still a tough little guy.

So much inaccurate stuff on Twitter. Sometimes I can't tell if it's parody, a misquote, or straight up lie lol.

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Did he really also say that about Pritchard? He was describing himself.

This was the original clip:

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Hmmm, guess I gotta check the source on these things. That said, Payton is still a tough little guy.

Yeah West said that quote about himself, talking about how he played, back in the day. I'm pretty sure the celtics nation person posted that as a joke.

Either that, or they posted it, trying to trick people into thinking that West was talking about Pritchard.

[JaMarco]

I don't know if that's true, players can make huge leaps in their late 20s seasons.

Maybe, but I blanked on that. Any Most Improved winners over the age of 25? Average age?

Adding a three point shot later is common now but probably because bigs like Horford and Lopez had never even thought to practice it..

idk but no one is gonna win MIP when they have already got 2nd team all-NBA and multiple all-star appearances under their belt.

Let's be real here. A dude who will be 27 this season, been in the league since age 19, has contributed to playoff teams since he was a rookie, has already been 2nd team all-NBA, multiple all-star appearances - a dude like that is not gonna improve very much at this point. I'm not saying he's already reached his ceiling, but he's likely very close to his ceiling at this point.

Well we're going to find out because he's going to be on the Celtics for the foreseeable future.

[Celtics_Champs]

I’m going to believe that West said it about Pritchard.

[djFan71]

These are indeed the wolf days of summer.

[Celts17Pride]

So serious question:

If Knicks and Evan Fournier can't find a trade and he gets bought out, would the Celtics be interested in in signing him to a vet min. deal?

Fournier had decent chemistry and pretty good numbers 45% FG Pct and 46% 3PT Pct in his time in Boston. He would serve a purpose off the bench. Any thoughts?

[steefP2]

So serious question:

If Knicks and Evan Fournier can't find a trade and he gets bought out, would the Celtics be interested in in signing him to a vet min. deal?

Fournier had decent chemistry and pretty good numbers 45% FG Pct and 46% 3PT Pct in his time in Boston. He would serve a purpose off the bench. Any thoughts?

He won’t get bought out; he’ll be used as expiring in a trade and if a trade doesn’t come; they can still pick up his team option and try it again. Expiring salary is gonna be mega useful again under the new cba when it’s getting harder to dump long term bad money to cap space team.

0 chance he gets bought out; Knicks books are surprisingly clean; helps that Brunson and randle both make under 30 mil aav

[Andrew McCeltic]

Maybe, but I blanked on that. Any Most Improved winners over the age of 25? Average age?

Adding a three point shot later is common now but probably because bigs like Horford and Lopez had never even thought to practice it..

idk but no one is gonna win MIP when they have already got 2nd team all-NBA and multiple all-star appearances under their belt.

Let's be real here. A dude who will be 27 this season, been in the league since age 19, has contributed to playoff teams since he was a rookie, has already been 2nd team all-NBA, multiple all-star appearances - a dude like that is not gonna improve very much at this point. I'm not saying he's already reached his ceiling, but he's likely very close to his ceiling at this point.

Well we're going to find out because he's going to be on the Celtics for the foreseeable future.

Derozan leveled up his passing significantly in San Antonio. That’s best case for Jaylen.

But refinement isn’t meaningless - you can stay the tier of player you are and still get incrementally smarter and craftier about little things.

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4 little factoids about Lamar Stevens.

1) His shooting is getting better and better.

Year 1: 16%
Year 2: 28%
Year 3: 32%

22-23 season
First 34 games: 27.8% from 3
Last 40 games: 38.1% from 3

2) 12/14/22 Cavs vs Mavs. Lamar Stevens was a game-high +22. Luka Doncic was a -20. They both played 38+ minutes. Luka shot 39% FG and 25% from 3, with 5 turnovers and 6 assists (much lower than his season average in assists, much higher than his season average in turnovers). Cavs win in a blowout.

Stevens was the primary defender on Luka for pretty much the whole game. Stevens gave Luka a tough time. There were several possessions (including some in the 4th quarter when Dallas was still alive) where Luka did not even touch the ball for the entire possession because Stevens was hounding him.

There were also a few possessions where the Mavs tried to run high screens to try and force Cleveland to switch, to get someone *other* than Stevens defending Luka.

Here's some clips from the game. You can see some nice cuts by Stevens. Also, it looks like he has a hitch in his shot - it's kind of noticeable at 1:43. Perhaps he fixed it, and that's why he shot the ball much better later in the season

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3) He played a really solid game, contributing in various ways (hitting shots, playing tough D, grabbing boards, bring toughness/physicality, etc.) when the Cavs beat us during the reg season. I think it was the infamous "Ima make em both game" lol

4) Same last name as Brad

[Dogen]

So serious question:

If Knicks and Evan Fournier can't find a trade and he gets bought out, would the Celtics be interested in in signing him to a vet min. deal?

Fournier had decent chemistry and pretty good numbers 45% FG Pct and 46% 3PT Pct in his time in Boston. He would serve a purpose off the bench. Any thoughts?

Pass. He was a turnstile on D.

[Hal14]

So serious question:

If Knicks and Evan Fournier can't find a trade and he gets bought out, would the Celtics be interested in in signing him to a vet min. deal?

Fournier had decent chemistry and pretty good numbers 45% FG Pct and 46% 3PT Pct in his time in Boston. He would serve a purpose off the bench. Any thoughts?

Pass. He was a turnstile on D.

I mean, I'm not saying Fournier is some elite defender. He's obviously not.

But c'mon now. He got thrown onto a new team in the middle of the playoff chase, having to learn new defensive schemes and adjust to playing defense with guys he had never played with before...all while moving his family (wife + 1 year old baby boy) cross country in the middle of the season and while recovering from a very severe case of COVID.

[bisme37]

Getting Embiid would be a real head trip for me because obviously you want the MVP on your team but at the same time I think he's my personal least favorite player in the league.

[Celts17Pride]

So serious question:

If Knicks and Evan Fournier can't find a trade and he gets bought out, would the Celtics be interested in in signing him to a vet min. deal?

Fournier had decent chemistry and pretty good numbers 45% FG Pct and 46% 3PT Pct in his time in Boston. He would serve a purpose off the bench. Any thoughts?

Pass. He was a turnstile on D.

Like Brogdon. Don't disagree, D was never Fournier's strength.

[Dogen]

So serious question:

If Knicks and Evan Fournier can't find a trade and he gets bought out, would the Celtics be interested in in signing him to a vet min. deal?

Fournier had decent chemistry and pretty good numbers 45% FG Pct and 46% 3PT Pct in his time in Boston. He would serve a purpose off the bench. Any thoughts?

Pass. He was a turnstile on D.

I mean, I'm not saying Fournier is some elite defender. He's obviously not.

But c'mon now. He got thrown onto a new team in the middle of the playoff chase, having to learn new defensive schemes and adjust to playing defense with guys he had never played with before...all while moving his family (wife + 1 year old baby boy) cross country in the middle of the season and while recovering from a very severe case of COVID.

And then he cried all the way to the bank for the big payday in the Big Apple and that was that. He's a footnote in Celtic history, and that he shall remain.

Dude can shoot, and yes, I understand the circumstances of his short tenure. It really depends on the team coaching philosophy. Under Ime, he was left to fend for himself. --- I hope to never again see that hirsute, slovenly excuse for all-nba player, aka James Harden, smacking his lips while he pounds the ball up the court, gets the switch, and then drops a three on Fournier while in mid-yawn.

Of course, James can do that on most players, but the Celtics lineup (in the past few years anyway) has depended on defense as a calling card, due to the defensive indifference and lapses in offense that plagues the team at the most unfathomable moments.

So if he takes the vet minimum and can come in for spot minutes and hit threes when he's hot? Yes, sure -- when he's good, he's good. But to pretend he's going to offer anything more than that in the playoffs?... sorry, once bitten, twice shy.

[Scarletfire81]

We aren’t going to care anymore by the time Jaylen signs his max. Maybe that’s what Brad & the Celtics organization wants.

[Dogen]

Pass. He was a turnstile on D.

I mean, I'm not saying Fournier is some elite defender. He's obviously not.

But c'mon now. He got thrown onto a new team in the middle of the playoff chase, having to learn new defensive schemes and adjust to playing defense with guys he had never played with before...all while moving his family (wife + 1 year old baby boy) cross country in the middle of the season and while recovering from a very severe case of COVID.

And then he cried all the way to the bank for the big payday in the Big Apple and that was that. He's a footnote in Celtic history, and that he shall remain.

Dude can shoot, and yes, I understand the circumstances of his short tenure. It really depends on the team coaching philosophy. Under Ime, he was left to fend for himself. --- I hope to never again see that hirsute, slovenly excuse for all-nba player, aka James Harden, smacking his lips while he pounds the ball up the court, gets the switch, and then drops a three on Fournier while in mid-yawn.

Of course, James can do that on most players, but the Celtics lineup (in the past few years anyway) has depended on defense as a calling card, due to the defensive indifference and lapses in offense that plagues the team at the most unfathomable moments.

So if he takes the vet minimum and can come in for spot minutes and hit threes when he's hot? Yes, sure -- when he's good, he's good. But to pretend he's going to offer anything more than that in the playoffs?... sorry, once bitten, twice shy.

I just noticed that Celts17Pride did in fact say vet minimum in his post, so I contradicted myself. Yeah, for vet minimum, I'd take Evan back. Maybe with a training camp and full season he will show more defensive ability within a defined system.

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Pass. He was a turnstile on D.

I mean, I'm not saying Fournier is some elite defender. He's obviously not.

But c'mon now. He got thrown onto a new team in the middle of the playoff chase, having to learn new defensive schemes and adjust to playing defense with guys he had never played with before...all while moving his family (wife + 1 year old baby boy) cross country in the middle of the season and while recovering from a very severe case of COVID.

And then he cried all the way to the bank for the big payday in the Big Apple and that was that.

So he wanted to get paid - do you blame him?

He also went to a knicks team that had 0 all-star wings, instead of Boston who has 2 all-star wings which means he had a chance to get more mins and more of a role in new york.

I don't blame him one bit.