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2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#1321 » by djFan71 » Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:44 am

redslastlaugh wrote:Brad said praised Hugo's cutting, which I love to hear.
Last years team was short on cutting so I'm glad thats one of the skills Brad singled out about Gonzalez

I liked that he called out our pace in the Knicks series too, and praised the way IND and OKC played.
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Post#1322 » by aim2please » Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:44 am

redslastlaugh wrote:I'm fine with the pick. I want the GM to take risks.
But other than being really hyped as teenaged prospect and having high motor, I dont see what this dude is projected to be. Doesn't really shoot it or play make. Our coach is known for burying guys who don't hit 3 pointers -- so how is the dude gonna play this yr?

If Hugo Gonzalez is a successful NBA player, what is a good comp for him if he hits his absolute ceiling in 7 years. Is he Alex Caruso?

I dont mind the pick. But this seems like an anti-mazzulla ball pick and a dude that is just unlikely to succeed and his curve is likely gonna mirror Jordan Walsh's development curve. This sounds like Im down on the pick, but I'm not that down on it, but it seems like a pick when the GM and coach are NOT on the same page. So Im not understanding it really

I just don't see the vision and I want to see the vision

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aim2please wrote:Former Mavs analytics guy Jeremias Engelmann is a great read if you like analytics based approach to the NBA. I am subscribed to his substack.

His 2021 NBA draft board was one for the ages. Sengun, Wagner and Herb Jones in the top 5. Anyways, his board looks nothing like most public boards.

This year, guys he's a lot higher on: Murray-Boyles 3rd, Flemming 5th, Clayton Jr. 8th, Saraf 9th, Proctor 12th.

Guys he's lower on: Bailey 11th, Fears 16th, Maluach 17th, Queen 19th, Demin 22th, Johnson 23rd (his pick for most likely bust at the top of the draft), Coward 25th.

He never had Hugo as a 1st rounder this year.

Obviously, he can wrong on guys, but he's really good at understanding what archetype succeeds in the league.


Caruso is generational defender, so he's not that. If you're optimistic, he's Fournier. A guy that can do everything (shoot, pass, dribble, defend) at a solid/good level but nothing at an elite level.

As much as Joe loves 3s, he actually plays non-shooters that can defend. We'll se how Hugo does in that regard. If Hugo becomes a good player, it will not be in the first 2-3 years. He's a project.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#1323 » by redslastlaugh » Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:45 am

My Best Available going into day 2

Ryan Kalkbrenner
Maxime Raynaud
Alex Toohey
Micah Peavy
Bogi Markovic
Kam Jones
Sion James
Noah Penda
Jamir Watkins
Viktor Lakhin
Lachlan Olbrich
Javon Small
Ryan Nembhard
John Tonje
Eric Dixon
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#1324 » by fallguy » Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:45 am

djFan71 wrote:
redslastlaugh wrote:Brad said praised Hugo's cutting, which I love to hear.
Last years team was short on cutting so I'm glad thats one of the skills Brad singled out about Gonzalez

I liked that he called out our pace in the Knicks series too, and praised the way IND and OKC played.


Yeah, that was telling. He gets it.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#1325 » by winsomme2 » Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:47 am

redslastlaugh wrote:Brad said praised Hugo's cutting, which I love to hear.
Last years team was short on cutting so I'm glad thats one of the skills Brad singled out about Gonzalez


Our offense got really static at the end last year. A lot of standing around the three point line and passing around the perimeter.

We need players imo who can challenge defenses with the ball in their hands. I just can’t quite tell if HG is gonna be good at that. We need guys who have a mid range game and can finish strong at the rim.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#1326 » by fallguy » Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:48 am

winsomme2 wrote:
redslastlaugh wrote:Brad said praised Hugo's cutting, which I love to hear.
Last years team was short on cutting so I'm glad thats one of the skills Brad singled out about Gonzalez


Our offense got really static at the end last year. A lot of standing around the three point line and passing around the perimeter.

We need players imo who can challenge defenses with the ball in their hands. I just can’t quite tell if HG is gonna be good at that. We need guys who have a mid range game and can finish strong at the rim.


Mmm. We have guys who can shoot from the midrange. We discourage it.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#1327 » by playa-hater » Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:49 am

redslastlaugh wrote:My Best Available going into day 2

Ryan Kalkbrenner
Maxime Raynaud
Alex Toohey
Micah Peavy
Bogi Markovic
Kam Jones
Sion James
Noah Penda
Jamir Watkins
Viktor Lakhin
Lachlan Olbrich
Javon Small
Ryan Nembhard
John Tonje
Eric Dixon


No Fleming?
2 things need to go.. my lack of spell check and Joe.. :nod:
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Post#1328 » by Fencer reregistered » Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:51 am

Straight-line drives, earthbound finishes, inconsistent mechanics -- I'm not holding my breath.

The variety of shots near the rim that do go in is cool, however. This isn't like the Romeo Langford case, where the entire highlight real seemed to consist of sweeping layups from the right side of the basket.

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Post#1329 » by redslastlaugh » Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:52 am

I literally just took him off the list because I thought he was drafted.
I'm tired, lol

Fleming is top 3 with Kalk and Raynaud for me.

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redslastlaugh wrote:My Best Available going into day 2

Ryan Kalkbrenner
Maxime Raynaud
Alex Toohey
Micah Peavy
Bogi Markovic
Kam Jones
Sion James
Noah Penda
Jamir Watkins
Viktor Lakhin
Lachlan Olbrich
Javon Small
Ryan Nembhard
John Tonje
Eric Dixon


No Fleming?
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#1330 » by fallguy » Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:54 am

Fencer reregistered wrote:Straight-line drives, earthbound finishes, inconsistent mechanics -- I'm not holding my breath.

The variety of shots near the rim that do go in is cool, however. This isn't like the Romeo Langford case, where the entire highlight real seemed to consist of sweeping layups from the right side of the basket.



He looks shifty off the bounce.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#1331 » by redslastlaugh » Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:55 am

It is somewhat concerning that Fleming wasn't drafted tonight.
I know some people feel like he's not that bright. When draft media talk about his lack of feel, they use a lot of coded words where they are really just saying he is not a bright individual... but I mean, come on, Rocky Balboa wasn't the smartest guy in the room but he was a great champion... im only half joking. Fleming should have been selected, it's a mystery
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#1333 » by bigfoot_cryptozoology » Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:56 am

It will be interesting to see who turns out to be the better Pick, Hugo 28 or Liam 29?
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#1334 » by playa-hater » Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:58 am



Brad, is that you?
2 things need to go.. my lack of spell check and Joe.. :nod:
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#1335 » by Patsfan1081 » Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:58 am

playa-hater wrote:
fallguy wrote:
playa-hater wrote:
Was danny Ainge good? I mean, at times he was great and then at times he was terrible. Why do you act like that cannot be possible with brad??


Yes, Brad can make mistakes. But I am not going to go berserk on June 25 because we can't see the full picture yet. I am also not going to pass judgement on a 19-year-old that Brad likes when I - like you - know nothing about him.


Listen i'm not saying this kid cannot turn out to be good. Maybe brad proves many of us wrong. That is certainly what I hope for.

But between video, his shooting percentage and the need for other players at more important positions. Make me feel at this moment. We could have done better.


I wouldn’t put too much stock in his efficiency playing ten minutes for Madrid. And if they pick up one of the better bigs at 32 it’s fine. I’m more concerned that both Yams and Bel… something didn’t develop one bit in Europe, same with Walsh.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#1336 » by Bill Lumbergh » Thu Jun 26, 2025 5:02 am

redslastlaugh wrote:I literally just took him off the list because I thought he was drafted.
I'm tired, lol

Fleming is top 3 with Kalk and Raynaud for me.

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redslastlaugh wrote:My Best Available going into day 2

Ryan Kalkbrenner
Maxime Raynaud
Alex Toohey
Micah Peavy
Bogi Markovic
Kam Jones
Sion James
Noah Penda
Jamir Watkins
Viktor Lakhin
Lachlan Olbrich
Javon Small
Ryan Nembhard
John Tonje
Eric Dixon


No Fleming?

Same. We are assured that at least 2 of them will be there when we pick. Of course, Brad may have no interest in those guys at all. Hey, at least we won't have to wait long to find out what's what tomorrow night.
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Post#1337 » by djFan71 » Thu Jun 26, 2025 5:07 am


I almost quoted you but didn’t wanna be the spoiler. :D
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#1338 » by Fierce1 » Thu Jun 26, 2025 5:17 am

I think Brad did the right thing.

Picking the player they wanted first, knowing some of the bigs will still be there tomorrow.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#1339 » by Jellybeans » Thu Jun 26, 2025 5:25 am

There real question is what in the hell NOLA are smoking down there.
Traded up 10 or so spots and gave up next seasons their own 1 or Bucks pick when NOLA will be BAD and Bucks could be too
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#1340 » by keevsnick1 » Thu Jun 26, 2025 5:26 am

I like the Hugo pick. 6'6 210 pounds with a 6'11 wingspan at only 19 years old is a solid foundation to build on. Is a pretty good athlete as well with a reputation for playing extremely hard. If he can be an average three point shooter, I think he'll have a long NBA career as a rotation guy. He hasn't shot well from three in his pro career, but has solid touch from the line at about 80% so there's a chnace he can work out the shooting.

Odds are anybody you take in the late first probably isn't going to amount to much, but he seems like as good a gamble as any. I like the appraoch at the wing with three different 6'6 guys taken the last three drafts. Just need one of them to hit.

At least one of Kalkbrenner and Raynaud will be available at #32, wouldn't mind Flemming either as a small ball five option. Of course this means brad probably doesn't take any of them.

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