Trade Post-Mortem 2017: Eight is Enough

[TheOGJabroni]

I keep thinking we need to wait until next year to really judge this team but at the same time, even if we draft Fultz and bring over Zizic to help with our major issues; they're still rookies. How much are they really going to help right away?

Hayward would be another story but we can't get our hopes up on that either.

[Stadium5]

All eyes on the draft lottery.

If we get 1, keep it and take Fultz. That helps with the shooting and 2nd creator problem. Zizic coming over should help on the boards and overall lack of toughness.

If it wouldn't be free agent suicide, I wish so badly we could move Horford. I'm just simply not a fan and I've been saying it all year. He's best suited as a 4, but he's too slow to defend modern 4's on the other end.

If we don't get 1, I'll just pistol whip myself.

It shouldn't be considered FA suicide. If he holds on to Horford for the sake of Horford's feelings, he's doubling down on his initial mistake. Send Horford to a team thats contending like a Washington or Houston along with IT and bring back multiple 1st round picks down the line. It's worth it for a team like that to go all in and pay up with future picks since it gives them a really good shot at contending now. They have the Hardens, the Walls, the Beals...we dont. Look to take back some unwanted salary in those deals to make the trade work with Horford's contract and further entice the team to give up picks. Target bad contracts like Noah and absorb them by taking a future pick along with him.

This team isn't even close..like not even a little. This is likely the best IT we'll see...he's 28. Horford will only get worse from here which isn't max worthy to begin with. Bradley is a solid player sometimes but will quickly turn to a bad one when he's compared to the contract he's about to get. You don't want Boston to take on this identity around the league of being a delusional franchise with a delusional GM. New culture is needed here as this was a failed experiment

[TheOGJabroni]

Even if you believe this was a failed experiment, there's no way they blow it all up this offseason. 0% chance. We've gotten better every single season, that's nothing to sneeze at. We had the ability to sign two max free agents last year (Horford & KD) but obviously only one came. It's clear we're still going to try to get one more and then play out next season; that's when it will be the appropriate time to start judging because that is the last season we lose our cap flexibility.

If it doesn't work, THEN I can see us looking at blowing it up because Brown will be in his third year and hopefully ready to breakout. We'll have a big time prospect from this draft in his second year and the 2018 Brooklyn prospect as well. We'll build around them.

But if it does work, then we got a great team with great prospects as well and continue the course.

[robdog_5]

I'm not really good with a good regular season and not good enough to win in playoffs team anymore. If your a 1 seed you can't lose to a 8 seed. Bottom line. If you do your not that good. Bulls were a 500 team this season. Thing is if we played the Heat I think we lose 1 to those guys at home as well. Celtics are just not that good for playoffs. We have a bunch of role players, a low end star, and a fading star who is just good now (Horford is still a good player just not meeting Max expectations). That's not going to cut it in the playoffs. Every team has the talent to match us and then some. Then add on Stevens hasn't seemed to figure out the playoffs yet.

Saying all this we need to get more talent. Fultz is a start, Zizic will help but that alone is not enough to push this team over the top next year. Bradley is gone in 2 years anyways because you would be a fool to re-sign him at the level he will demand. Smart maybe the same (Plus he maybe wearing out his welcome). Crowder is only guy who is on a deal good enough to stay but he's playing same spot as Brown and potentially an added star via sign or trade. However, Crowder seems to be a guy who shrinks the most. At least in this series.

So no it can't be the same next year. If it is that will be a major fail. DA has been patient but if he misses out on everything again and misses the window completely to make this a title contender he will have let down the organization.

[GoCeltics123]

This team would be beastly and would easily take the east if you guys traded one pick plus brown for Paul George and the other and a guy like Bradley or crowder for porzinges from the knicks

See I would agree on this...but there are issues with this argument.

Number 1, Indiana wants everything for PG13 and rightfully so. Guy is a beast. One pick plus Brown won't do it.

Number 2, New York wants everything for Porizingis. Kristaps is a stud for a reason.

I don't think we have the resources for both.

On Al Horford, I mean, he's a PF playing center right now. This was bound to happen

[Froob]

Trade Brown, Nets 17, Nets 18 for R.Lopez.



Joking


Kind of.

Like the Bulls would accept that.

[Wes-J]

I would trade this year's BRK for KP.

Trade Crowder/AB/BRK 18/Rozier for George or Butler

Sign Hayward

Promote Zizic. Yabu or Nader

Trade Min 2nd rd/Mickey/DJ for veteran player to lead bench

[jmr07019]

I wanted Whiteside last offseason and still think he'd be a great fit on this team. Not sold Miami is building with that team. I think we could get him but we'd have to give a little.

[reload141]

Some Knicks fans actually think that with us losing to the Bulls that we would be more open to trading a Brooklyn pick or Brown for MELO. WOW.

[robdog_5]

Some Knicks fans actually think that with us losing to the Bulls that we would be more open to trading a Brooklyn pick or Brown for MELO. WOW.

Only way we take Melo, is if the lottery pick is coming with it. I don't even know what we would send either because it would all have to be contract filler.

Why are we going to take someone's trash and give up some assets. Nope.

[Roddy]

I would trade this year's BRK for KP.

Trade Crowder/AB/BRK 18/Rozier for George or Butler

Sign Hayward

Promote Zizic. Yabu or Nader

Trade Min 2nd rd/Mickey/DJ for veteran player to lead bench

So :

IT / Smart
Hayward / Nader
Butler or George / Brown
KP / Yabusele
Horford / Zizic

+ veteran.

Nice team, but not sure it's possible with the salary cap.

[twosevenstreet]

Some Knicks fans actually think that with us losing to the Bulls that we would be more open to trading a Brooklyn pick or Brown for MELO. WOW.

Knicks : Idiot :: Water : Wet

[knicksup19]

there are a lot of delusional knicks fans and a lot of delusional celtic fans..

knicks were never and are never going to trade KP for a bk pick and fillers especially if it requires losing our pick this year, the articles about him are overstated he been said weeks ago he was going back home to latvia, not to mention hes under contract and after said contract he will be restricted where we could match offers.

with that said knicks fans are delusional to think the celtics will give up a pick or brown plus fillers for melo.


you guys could used melo especially in the playoffs, the only trade i see that could work. is

melo Oquinn (for rebounding) and 7th for say boston number #2 contract fillers and a pick in later years obviousoly not next year bk pick. this allows bos to get melo and a decent lottery pick, fox/monk/dsjr knicks shed melo and can get ball/fultz/jackson and a future draft pick.


if you guys want a player to help in the playoffs during your title window without depleting all your assets melo is your guy.

butler or george is just going to cost to much and still not guarantee a chip, i think because of george and butler cost melo would be you guys best option to compete for a title and keep your good assets.

what you guys think?

[SmartWentCrazy]

there are a lot of delusional knicks fans and a lot of delusional celtic fans..

knicks were never and are never going to trade KP for a bk pick and fillers especially if it requires losing our pick this year, the articles about him are overstated he been said weeks ago he was going back home to latvia, not to mention hes under contract and after said contract he will be restricted where we could match offers.

with that said knicks fans are delusional to think the celtics will give up a pick or brown plus fillers for melo.


you guys could used melo especially in the playoffs, the only trade i see that could work. is

melo Oquinn (for rebounding) and 7th for say boston number #2 contract fillers and a pick in later years obviousoly not next year bk pick. this allows bos to get melo and a decent lottery pick, fox/monk/dsjr knicks shed melo and can get ball/fultz/jackson and a future draft pick.


if you guys want a player to help in the playoffs during your title window without depleting all your assets melo is your guy.

butler or george is just going to cost to much and still not guarantee a chip, i think because of george and butler cost melo would be you guys best option to compete for a title and keep your good assets.

what you guys think?

If you're asking for this years BKN pick for Melo, I'm gunna refer you back to the first clause of your first sentence. He doesn't have positive trade value, period. He's not jumping you up 5 picks in this draft.

[TheOGJabroni]

I would trade this year's BRK for KP.

Trade Crowder/AB/BRK 18/Rozier for George or Butler

Sign Hayward

Promote Zizic. Yabu or Nader

Trade Min 2nd rd/Mickey/DJ for veteran player to lead bench

So :

IT / Smart
Hayward / Nader
Butler or George / Brown
KP / Yabusele
Horford / Zizic

+ veteran.

Nice team, but not sure it's possible with the salary cap.

I think it is possible with the salary cap but I think it ends there. I don't think our pick alone nets Porzingis. I would also only make that trade offer for George, not Butler. I like Butler and even think he'd be great on this team but George is still the superior player. You're also relying on an incredibly young bench here but I think we're okay with that if we fielded that team.

[knicksup19]

there are a lot of delusional knicks fans and a lot of delusional celtic fans..

knicks were never and are never going to trade KP for a bk pick and fillers especially if it requires losing our pick this year, the articles about him are overstated he been said weeks ago he was going back home to latvia, not to mention hes under contract and after said contract he will be restricted where we could match offers.

with that said knicks fans are delusional to think the celtics will give up a pick or brown plus fillers for melo.


you guys could used melo especially in the playoffs, the only trade i see that could work. is

melo Oquinn (for rebounding) and 7th for say boston number #2 contract fillers and a pick in later years obviousoly not next year bk pick. this allows bos to get melo and a decent lottery pick, fox/monk/dsjr knicks shed melo and can get ball/fultz/jackson and a future draft pick.


if you guys want a player to help in the playoffs during your title window without depleting all your assets melo is your guy.

butler or george is just going to cost to much and still not guarantee a chip, i think because of george and butler cost melo would be you guys best option to compete for a title and keep your good assets.

what you guys think?

If you're asking for this years BKN pick for Melo, I'm gunna refer you back to the first clause of your first sentence. He doesn't have positive trade value, period. He's not jumping you up 5 picks in this draft.

he does have positive trade value if you need what he provides. melo is worth 5 draft spots for a team with title contentions and tons of assets. if not your looking at paul george for maybe both picks plus fillers and no picks in return, i dont think melos value is high at all i just think its the best case scenario for both teams. You guys are really willing to gut most your assest to get pg/butler and hope it works out? signing g hayward would be the best option.. but in the event that isnt possible i would seriously consider melo..

it would suck to gut for butler and still not be good enough..

but honestly tho you guys would pass on 2 and fillers for 7 melo oquinn and fillers?

[SmartWentCrazy]

there are a lot of delusional knicks fans and a lot of delusional celtic fans..

knicks were never and are never going to trade KP for a bk pick and fillers especially if it requires losing our pick this year, the articles about him are overstated he been said weeks ago he was going back home to latvia, not to mention hes under contract and after said contract he will be restricted where we could match offers.

with that said knicks fans are delusional to think the celtics will give up a pick or brown plus fillers for melo.


you guys could used melo especially in the playoffs, the only trade i see that could work. is

melo Oquinn (for rebounding) and 7th for say boston number #2 contract fillers and a pick in later years obviousoly not next year bk pick. this allows bos to get melo and a decent lottery pick, fox/monk/dsjr knicks shed melo and can get ball/fultz/jackson and a future draft pick.


if you guys want a player to help in the playoffs during your title window without depleting all your assets melo is your guy.

butler or george is just going to cost to much and still not guarantee a chip, i think because of george and butler cost melo would be you guys best option to compete for a title and keep your good assets.

what you guys think?

If you're asking for this years BKN pick for Melo, I'm gunna refer you back to the first clause of your first sentence. He doesn't have positive trade value, period. He's not jumping you up 5 picks in this draft.

he does have positive trade value if you need what he provides. melo is worth 5 draft spots for a team with title contentions and tons of assets. if not your looking at paul george for maybe both picks plus fillers and no picks in return, i dont think melos value is high at all i just think its the best case scenario for both teams. You guys are really willing to gut most your assest to get pg/butler and hope it works out? signing g hayward would be the best option.. but in the event that isnt possible i would seriously consider melo..

it would suck to gut for butler and still not be good enough..

but honestly tho you guys would pass on 2 and fillers for 7 melo oquinn and fillers?

It would suck even more to gut for Melo and get worse. I'm sorry you don't want to believe he has no trade value, but it's the truth. He's declining, he's overpaid, and he's no longer the guy he once was. Your GM is actively trying to trade him for anything and Melo, through his NTC, is actively whittling down his market. There are rumors he's gunna force a buy out. He is no where near a positive.

Yes, we'd pass. We're not trading a top pick for that overpaid jerk.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Some Knicks fans actually think that with us losing to the Bulls that we would be more open to trading a Brooklyn pick or Brown for MELO. WOW.

Only way we take Melo, is if the lottery pick is coming with it. I don't even know what we would send either because it would all have to be contract filler.

Why are we going to take someone's trash and give up some assets. Nope.

Throw in Porzingis and I'd take Melo's awful contract. Lol. Seriously though, if that offer became real, I'm sure Brad could do something creative with Melo. He made Jordan Crawford useful. Could probably work wonders for Anthony.

[knicksup19]

If you're asking for this years BKN pick for Melo, I'm gunna refer you back to the first clause of your first sentence. He doesn't have positive trade value, period. He's not jumping you up 5 picks in this draft.

he does have positive trade value if you need what he provides. melo is worth 5 draft spots for a team with title contentions and tons of assets. if not your looking at paul george for maybe both picks plus fillers and no picks in return, i dont think melos value is high at all i just think its the best case scenario for both teams. You guys are really willing to gut most your assest to get pg/butler and hope it works out? signing g hayward would be the best option.. but in the event that isnt possible i would seriously consider melo..

it would suck to gut for butler and still not be good enough..

but honestly tho you guys would pass on 2 and fillers for 7 melo oquinn and fillers?

It would suck even more to gut for Melo and get worse. I'm sorry you don't want to believe he has no trade value, but it's the truth. He's declining, he's overpaid, and he's no longer the guy he once was. Your GM is actively trying to trade him for anything and Melo, through his NTC, is actively whittling down his market. There are rumors he's gunna force a buy out. He is no where near a positive.

Yes, we'd pass. We're not trading a top pick for that overpaid jerk.

melo does have value his ntc is the only hiccup and doesnt have to cost you a top pick melo is worth one of jaylen brown pick swap or next year bk pick.. you guys would honestly rather pass up on melo and give up the farm for butler or george? thats really a better scenario? butler/george is going to cost you at least two of this year pick next year pick and brown..

melo could be had for brown, pick swap this year or next year bk pick which might not be that good with a healthy lin and free agency..

maybe you guys really just think melo is that bad lol hes no best player on a championship level player but he could help you guys.

[ALL HAIL]

Crowder, Smart, and Zeller for Kevin Love.