Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 2

[Bad-Thoma]

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"Vehicle treated source"? DID THEY RUN THOSE FERRETS OVER!!??

[SuperDeluxe]

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"Vehicle treated source"? DID THEY RUN THOSE FERRETS OVER!!??

It's all obtuse medical jargon, but myself I understood that the ferrets ran the vehicles over.

[Captain_Caveman]

Some shots from Hetch Hetchy just prior to lockdown today. Stay safe, everyone.

[leper-con]

Some shots from Hetch Hetchy just prior to lockdown today. Stay safe, everyone.

Not sure where Hetch Hetchy is but that looks like the interior of BC.

[ConstableGeneva]

Yay UK! Yay Filipino nurses! Yay Science! **** COVID!

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[Curmudgeon]

As I suspected, the NBA is already lining up its vaccination program. I'll be furious if all of those young athletes get the vaccine while I end up in the hospital.

[ConstableGeneva]

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Kindly leave enough for us here in 3rd world countries lol.

[Slax]

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Kindly leave enough for us here in 3rd world countries lol.

It seems like Pfizer and Moderna are pretty confident they can scale up doses fast. I'm optimistic about the possibility that even though Pfizer and Moderna being the first vaccines to hit the market are straining to keep up with early demand from the US and Europe in Spring 2021, we will see production scale up over the course of the year at the same time other vaccines are coming onto the market from other candidates currently in phase 3 trials like Astrazeneca, Johnson & Johnson, and Novavax. We have to see how effective those other vaccines are of course, and there could be shared shortages in other parts of the production pipeline like needles and vials, but overall the news has been really encouraging and it's probably more of a question of how long it takes to get to everyone. Very possible that this map is accurate, but also possible it's pessimistic.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

Well I just found out I have covid. Only symptoms I had was a pretty bad headache for a few days and and some weird muscle aches. Never had a fever or lost taste or smell so I was pretty surprised when it came back positive. The thing is I've been pretty careful as well but I also have two kids and a wife who works at a school so that could have been it.

[Homerclease]

Well I just found out I have covid. Only symptoms I had was a pretty bad headache for a few days and and some weird muscle aches. Never had a fever or lost taste or smell so I was pretty surprised when it came back positive. The thing is I've been pretty careful as well but I also have two kids and a wife who works at a school so that could have been it.

I just got over a bout of it. Lost my sense of smell for 8 days otherwise nothing abnormal. I’m fortunate enough to not be in an at risk group but I’ve been in quarantine for just about 14 days now. Drink plenty of water and try to rest my friend

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

Well I just found out I have covid. Only symptoms I had was a pretty bad headache for a few days and and some weird muscle aches. Never had a fever or lost taste or smell so I was pretty surprised when it came back positive. The thing is I've been pretty careful as well but I also have two kids and a wife who works at a school so that could have been it.

I just got over a bout of it. Lost my sense of smell for 8 days otherwise nothing abnormal. I’m fortunate enough to not be in an at risk group but I’ve been in quarantine for just about 14 days now. Drink plenty of water and try to rest my friend

Thanks man I appreciate it. I have asthma but so far it's been okay. Luckily for me I have a TV in a bed in the attic so I can stay away from the kids and wife probably until Christmas

[canman1971]

Well I just found out I have covid. Only symptoms I had was a pretty bad headache for a few days and and some weird muscle aches. Never had a fever or lost taste or smell so I was pretty surprised when it came back positive. The thing is I've been pretty careful as well but I also have two kids and a wife who works at a school so that could have been it.

Sorry bro. I hope it just goes away. Just got my first test today, so the wait begins for the results. My wife's been tested 30+ times all negative so I think I'm good. But I can't go back into school until I get them (not really a bad thing). Stay safe and be well.

[Tyakack]

DDB, I don’t want to talk about Trump. He already gets too much air time.
I want to talk about politicising a virus, masks and the best health care practices.
Conspiracy theories and wormholes. I was only pointing out that people seek and see conspiracy where they choose to see it. There are much bigger threats out there, right in front of people but they choose to ignore it because someone told them that wearing a piece of cloth on there face will help them but they find in cumbersome or political. Masks are effective, sanitizing your hands is effective, social distancing is effective. And its temporary until we get the virus under control, its thinned out the heard enough that the rest of us don’t need to worry, God forbid t hits someone we, you or anyone close to us. The problem is the “non believers” are causing the virus to spread, so unless there is a unformed policy, it will be ineffective.
In some ways you are right people aren’t using the right masks, wearing them correctly and touching there faces and contaminating them. But they have proven effective, as has social distancing but this can be solved by a national “mask education” strategy. I could go on but I really hate these type of debates/arguments. I am by nature a live and let live person, but common sense needs to win the day at times. I trust the science which is behind the CDC practices.

We also need to remember that we are also trying to slow the number of infections at one time, as we have limited hospital ICU beds for treatment.

We are both right to a certain extent. I unlike many others am open to good quality dialogue from all sides which is where my opinions ultimately come from. I blend. I am very firm on staying open. Lockdowns to me are completely unnecessary and the issues that result from lockdowns far exceed those of remaining open. So the long and short of everything I say always comes back to two things. Lockdowns and vaccinations. We live in America. Nobody should be able to force us into losing our businesses via lockdowns Has it been taken into account that perhaps people have dumped their entire life into their business and would rather take a chance on 99.9% chance of surviving VS losing their business, house, their sanity, etc?
Same goes for vaccinations. Every family should have the right to participate in vaccines. The hoopla about those who do not take vaccines are putting others at risk is not real. So this vaccine coming up should not be something we are forced to take.

Those are my two big things. And again, if someone wants to wear a mask. Good for you. I don’t care. Just don’t make me wear one. Doesn’t make me less kind despite what the media will tell you. If someone is so afraid of covid they shouldn’t be out.

I definitely agree with this 100%. This is America. The land of the FREE. Nobody should be forced to close down their business and lose their entire livelihoods. Especially over a virus that has a 99% survival rate. The solution shouldn't cause more harm than the problem itself. That is just insanity.

[Captain_Caveman]

DDB, I don’t want to talk about Trump. He already gets too much air time.
I want to talk about politicising a virus, masks and the best health care practices.
Conspiracy theories and wormholes. I was only pointing out that people seek and see conspiracy where they choose to see it. There are much bigger threats out there, right in front of people but they choose to ignore it because someone told them that wearing a piece of cloth on there face will help them but they find in cumbersome or political. Masks are effective, sanitizing your hands is effective, social distancing is effective. And its temporary until we get the virus under control, its thinned out the heard enough that the rest of us don’t need to worry, God forbid t hits someone we, you or anyone close to us. The problem is the “non believers” are causing the virus to spread, so unless there is a unformed policy, it will be ineffective.
In some ways you are right people aren’t using the right masks, wearing them correctly and touching there faces and contaminating them. But they have proven effective, as has social distancing but this can be solved by a national “mask education” strategy. I could go on but I really hate these type of debates/arguments. I am by nature a live and let live person, but common sense needs to win the day at times. I trust the science which is behind the CDC practices.

We also need to remember that we are also trying to slow the number of infections at one time, as we have limited hospital ICU beds for treatment.

We are both right to a certain extent. I unlike many others am open to good quality dialogue from all sides which is where my opinions ultimately come from. I blend. I am very firm on staying open. Lockdowns to me are completely unnecessary and the issues that result from lockdowns far exceed those of remaining open. So the long and short of everything I say always comes back to two things. Lockdowns and vaccinations. We live in America. Nobody should be able to force us into losing our businesses via lockdowns Has it been taken into account that perhaps people have dumped their entire life into their business and would rather take a chance on 99.9% chance of surviving VS losing their business, house, their sanity, etc?
Same goes for vaccinations. Every family should have the right to participate in vaccines. The hoopla about those who do not take vaccines are putting others at risk is not real. So this vaccine coming up should not be something we are forced to take.

Those are my two big things. And again, if someone wants to wear a mask. Good for you. I don’t care. Just don’t make me wear one. Doesn’t make me less kind despite what the media will tell you. If someone is so afraid of covid they shouldn’t be out.

I definitely agree with this 100%. This is America. The land of the FREE. Nobody should be forced to close down their business and lose their entire livelihoods. Especially over a virus that has a 99% survival rate. The solution shouldn't cause more harm than the problem itself. That is just insanity.

That's framing it exactly wrong. However flimsy and unenforced they have been, lockdowns and mask mandates have already saved hundreds of thousands of lives in the US, and will continue to save several hundreds thousands more by the end of this. They will also prevent hundreds of thousands of people from having long-term or permanently debilitating impacts.

It should never have been viewed as a choice between lockdowns and saving the economy. Not only would the economic impacts be far, far greater without them, the real conversation is why the richest country on Earth did not provide sufficient stimulus to their citizens and small businesses to help us ride this out.

[Tyakack]

We are both right to a certain extent. I unlike many others am open to good quality dialogue from all sides which is where my opinions ultimately come from. I blend. I am very firm on staying open. Lockdowns to me are completely unnecessary and the issues that result from lockdowns far exceed those of remaining open. So the long and short of everything I say always comes back to two things. Lockdowns and vaccinations. We live in America. Nobody should be able to force us into losing our businesses via lockdowns Has it been taken into account that perhaps people have dumped their entire life into their business and would rather take a chance on 99.9% chance of surviving VS losing their business, house, their sanity, etc?
Same goes for vaccinations. Every family should have the right to participate in vaccines. The hoopla about those who do not take vaccines are putting others at risk is not real. So this vaccine coming up should not be something we are forced to take.

Those are my two big things. And again, if someone wants to wear a mask. Good for you. I don’t care. Just don’t make me wear one. Doesn’t make me less kind despite what the media will tell you. If someone is so afraid of covid they shouldn’t be out.

I definitely agree with this 100%. This is America. The land of the FREE. Nobody should be forced to close down their business and lose their entire livelihoods. Especially over a virus that has a 99% survival rate. The solution shouldn't cause more harm than the problem itself. That is just insanity.

That's framing it exactly wrong. However flimsy and unenforced they have been, lockdowns and mask mandates have already saved hundreds of thousands of lives in the US, and will continue to save several hundreds thousands more by the end of this. They will also prevent hundreds of thousands of people from having long-term or permanently debilitating impacts.

It should never have been viewed as a choice between lockdowns and saving the economy. Not only would the economic impacts be far, far greater without them, the real conversation is why the richest country on Earth did not provide sufficient stimulus to their citizens and small businesses to help us ride this out.

There is nothing about what I said that is framing it wrong if you believe in what america is supposed to stand for. Which is NOT letting the government tell you if you are allowed to spend time with your family for the holidays or not or if you are allowed to keep your business open. You don't shut down the entire country over a virus. Especially one where you stand a 99% chance of surviving. That is not a sustainable or reasonable. The lockdown is also ruining the lives of many small business owners at the moment. Alot of them won't be able to recover after this..

Regardless of rather you feel lockdowns are the way to go, it is completely 100% anti american. Anti freedom. If people want to go out to a restaurant they should be able to go out to a restaurant. That is their right as an american citizen. Regardless how YOU or I feel about it. People know the risks. They should be allowed to make choices for themselves and not be forced by the government to stay in the house.

[threrf23]

There is nothing about what I said that is framing it wrong if you believe in what america is supposed to stand for. Which is NOT letting the government tell you if you are allowed to spend time with your family for the holidays or not or if you are allowed to keep your business open. You don't shut down the entire country over a virus. Especially one where you stand a 99% chance of surviving. That is not a sustainable or reasonable. The lockdown is also ruining the lives of many small business owners at the moment. Alot of them won't be able to recover after this..

Regardless of rather you feel lockdowns are the way to go, it is completely 100% anti american. Anti freedom. If people want to go out to a restaurant they should be able to go out to a restaurant. That is their right as an american citizen. Regardless how YOU or I feel about it. People know the risks. They should be allowed to make choices for themselves and not be forced by the government to stay in the house.

I suppose you support serial killers, because they should have the freedom to murder people?

That is melodramatic, but the point is this isn't about taking away people's freedom to protect them. It is about overcrowded hospitals, restaurant workers who have no choice but to come in to work, etcetera.

I do agree that lockdowns are ineffective as far as the long term is concerned, unless either literal lockdowns (impractical) or perpetual (impractical). That said, the word lockdown is overused nowadays and usually doesn't refer to lockdowns.

I also agree that, until congress does something to help affected businesses, as a governor you can't really ask any businesses to shut down at this point if you can avoid it.

[StojkoVrankovic]

I definitely agree with this 100%. This is America. The land of the FREE. Nobody should be forced to close down their business and lose their entire livelihoods. Especially over a virus that has a 99% survival rate. The solution shouldn't cause more harm than the problem itself. That is just insanity.

That's framing it exactly wrong. However flimsy and unenforced they have been, lockdowns and mask mandates have already saved hundreds of thousands of lives in the US, and will continue to save several hundreds thousands more by the end of this. They will also prevent hundreds of thousands of people from having long-term or permanently debilitating impacts.

It should never have been viewed as a choice between lockdowns and saving the economy. Not only would the economic impacts be far, far greater without them, the real conversation is why the richest country on Earth did not provide sufficient stimulus to their citizens and small businesses to help us ride this out.

There is nothing about what I said that is framing it wrong if you believe in what america is supposed to stand for. Which is NOT letting the government tell you if you are allowed to spend time with your family for the holidays or not or if you are allowed to keep your business open. You don't shut down the entire country over a virus. Especially one where you stand a 99% chance of surviving. That is not a sustainable or reasonable. The lockdown is also ruining the lives of many small business owners at the moment. Alot of them won't be able to recover after this..

Regardless of rather you feel lockdowns are the way to go, it is completely 100% anti american. Anti freedom. If people want to go out to a restaurant they should be able to go out to a restaurant. That is their right as an american citizen. Regardless how YOU or I feel about it. People know the risks. They should be allowed to make choices for themselves and not be forced by the government to stay in the house.

this post is **** embarrassing

[Tyakack]

There is nothing about what I said that is framing it wrong if you believe in what america is supposed to stand for. Which is NOT letting the government tell you if you are allowed to spend time with your family for the holidays or not or if you are allowed to keep your business open. You don't shut down the entire country over a virus. Especially one where you stand a 99% chance of surviving. That is not a sustainable or reasonable. The lockdown is also ruining the lives of many small business owners at the moment. Alot of them won't be able to recover after this..

Regardless of rather you feel lockdowns are the way to go, it is completely 100% anti american. Anti freedom. If people want to go out to a restaurant they should be able to go out to a restaurant. That is their right as an american citizen. Regardless how YOU or I feel about it. People know the risks. They should be allowed to make choices for themselves and not be forced by the government to stay in the house.

I suppose you support serial killers, because they should have the freedom to murder people?

That is melodramatic, but the point is this isn't about taking away people's freedom to protect them. It is about overcrowded hospitals, restaurant workers who have no choice but to come in to work, etcetera.

I do agree that lockdowns are ineffective as far as the long term is concerned, unless either literal lockdowns (impractical) or perpetual (impractical). That said, the word lockdown is overused nowadays and usually doesn't refer to lockdowns.

I also agree that, until congress does something to help affected businesses, as a governor you can't really ask any businesses to shut down at this point if you can avoid it.

Stopped reading right there.

[Tyakack]

That's framing it exactly wrong. However flimsy and unenforced they have been, lockdowns and mask mandates have already saved hundreds of thousands of lives in the US, and will continue to save several hundreds thousands more by the end of this. They will also prevent hundreds of thousands of people from having long-term or permanently debilitating impacts.

It should never have been viewed as a choice between lockdowns and saving the economy. Not only would the economic impacts be far, far greater without them, the real conversation is why the richest country on Earth did not provide sufficient stimulus to their citizens and small businesses to help us ride this out.

There is nothing about what I said that is framing it wrong if you believe in what america is supposed to stand for. Which is NOT letting the government tell you if you are allowed to spend time with your family for the holidays or not or if you are allowed to keep your business open. You don't shut down the entire country over a virus. Especially one where you stand a 99% chance of surviving. That is not a sustainable or reasonable. The lockdown is also ruining the lives of many small business owners at the moment. Alot of them won't be able to recover after this..

Regardless of rather you feel lockdowns are the way to go, it is completely 100% anti american. Anti freedom. If people want to go out to a restaurant they should be able to go out to a restaurant. That is their right as an american citizen. Regardless how YOU or I feel about it. People know the risks. They should be allowed to make choices for themselves and not be forced by the government to stay in the house.

this post is **** embarrassing

Yeah, saying people should have the freedom to live their lives and make their own choices is embarrassing. Great take. What is embarrassing is the amount of people so comfortable with the government telling them what to do and how to live. Now that's embarrassing.

[Captain_Caveman]

I definitely agree with this 100%. This is America. The land of the FREE. Nobody should be forced to close down their business and lose their entire livelihoods. Especially over a virus that has a 99% survival rate. The solution shouldn't cause more harm than the problem itself. That is just insanity.

That's framing it exactly wrong. However flimsy and unenforced they have been, lockdowns and mask mandates have already saved hundreds of thousands of lives in the US, and will continue to save several hundreds thousands more by the end of this. They will also prevent hundreds of thousands of people from having long-term or permanently debilitating impacts.

It should never have been viewed as a choice between lockdowns and saving the economy. Not only would the economic impacts be far, far greater without them, the real conversation is why the richest country on Earth did not provide sufficient stimulus to their citizens and small businesses to help us ride this out.

There is nothing about what I said that is framing it wrong if you believe in what america is supposed to stand for. Which is NOT letting the government tell you if you are allowed to spend time with your family for the holidays or not or if you are allowed to keep your business open. You don't shut down the entire country over a virus. Especially one where you stand a 99% chance of surviving. That is not a sustainable or reasonable. The lockdown is also ruining the lives of many small business owners at the moment. Alot of them won't be able to recover after this..

Regardless of rather you feel lockdowns are the way to go, it is completely 100% anti american. Anti freedom. If people want to go out to a restaurant they should be able to go out to a restaurant. That is their right as an american citizen. Regardless how YOU or I feel about it. People know the risks. They should be allowed to make choices for themselves and not be forced by the government to stay in the house.

Well, this isn't the place to get political. Unlike the highly ideological and political statement that lockdowns infringe upon one's freedoms, I don't believe that I was getting political when pointing that these lockdowns during the height of a deadly global pandemic will save lives, and ultimately, benefit the national economy. Those are just statements of facts, tbh. We have case studies all over the world of places that handled this correctly (Japan, Germany, South Korea) vs ones that definitely did not (Sweden, the US).

I don't even think the notion of stimulus is really that political, especially given that George W Bush once gave out stimulus checks for literally no reason at all, to everyone, without means-testing.

I would just note here that we are fans of a team that plays in a city that was logging over a thousand dead people per day during the height of the 1918 pandemic. All four of my grandparents were born into families that were decimated by that virus. Both of my grandfathers were later subject to a mandatory draft, in which they were compelled to experience heavy combat in overseas wars with exactly no say in the matter. Did this infringe upon their individual freedoms, do you think?

Because if we are going to have a conversation about what is American or not, throughout our history, it is has been completely common to sacrifice individual freedoms during periods of national crisis in the name of the national interest. From food and supply rationing and military drafts during wartime to lockdowns and mask mandates during pandemics, it has always been part of being an American to act in the name of the greater good when called upon. Not a political take, just another statement of fact.

If acting in the name of individual freedoms is going to cost an additional 500k-1m lives, leave an additional hundreds of thousands debilitated, and do significant additional and needless damages to our economy, it is in no way somehow more "American".

In sum, no one has the "freedom" to kill other people's loved ones during a time of crisis, and that has nothing at all to do with being an American. That "right" was never granted to any of us at any point.