Trade Post-Mortem 2017: Eight is Enough

[OFWGKTA]

We have to get Paul George, he's the guy that can propel us past Lebron.


Last 10 playoff games: 29/8/5 on 45/43/93 splits

[Iguodaladon]

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Lolwut, why did it take 3 days to find out he had a broken thumb? Don't tell me he whooped our asses on Wednesday with 3 fingers

Feel bad for the guy, he was looking like his old self. We've gotta win this series now, but it'll always have an asterisk next to it if we do end up beating the Bulls

[Banks2Pierce]

I think Smart/Bradley would be great for our backcourt and Bradley should still make sense as an SG starter. Crowder's a 6-man with how he's playing offensively.

Not sure why you'd think Bradley should still be a SG starter and Crowder should be a 6th man after Crowder's had a clearly better season and frankly looks like an ideal fit next to most of the wings on the market past and present.

Just seems painfully obvious to me that moving Bradley is the play this summer on about 5 different levels.

[Homerclease]

I think Smart/Bradley would be great for our backcourt and Bradley should still make sense as an SG starter. Crowder's a 6-man with how he's playing offensively.

Not sure why you'd think Bradley should still be a SG starter and Crowder should be a 6th man after Crowder's had a clearly better season and frankly looks like an ideal fit next to most of the wings on the market past and present.

Just seems painfully obvious to me that moving Bradley is the play this summer on about 5 different levels.

Less is more when it comes to Avery. When asked to do what he's capable of he's great. When asked to do more his game as a whole his game suffers greatly. He'd be a great 6th man on a contender IMO

[TheOGJabroni]

We have to get Paul George, he's the guy that can propel us past Lebron.


Last 10 playoff games: 29/8/5 on 45/43/93 splits

Yeah, Paul George is really incredible. I just don't know how much it's going to take to get him, probably too much for Ainge's liking.

[Homerclease]

We have to get Paul George, he's the guy that can propel us past Lebron.


Last 10 playoff games: 29/8/5 on 45/43/93 splits

Yeah, Paul George is really incredible. I just don't know how much it's going to take to get him, probably too much for Ainge's liking.

The foundation is already laid for both George and Butler. The holdup to either trade now is the nets pick and where it falls. If it comes in number one, the Celtics may be able to hold on to an extra asset where as if it drops to 3 or 4, they may have to sweeten the pot.

[FlatearthZorro]

We have to get Paul George, he's the guy that can propel us past Lebron.


Last 10 playoff games: 29/8/5 on 45/43/93 splits

Yeah, Paul George is really incredible. I just don't know how much it's going to take to get him, probably too much for Ainge's liking.

The foundation is already laid for both George and Butler. The holdup to either trade now is the nets pick and where it falls. If it comes in number one, the Celtics may be able to hold on to an extra asset where as if it drops to 3 or 4, they may have to sweeten the pot.

Knowing the Bulls' FO the assets we have will probably be enough to get George. Also knowing the Bulls FO I expect Butler to leave on his own when he's FA cause the Bulls will not do anyting to help him.

[bucknersrevenge]

Robin is averaging 6.4 rebounds a game this season. So my point still stands.

I'm not sure what your point is though. During a year that in the grand scheme of things doesn't matter as much as this coming offseason, as a GM you can't overreact to things like this. You don't burn assets to fix problem "c" when problems "a" and "b" are bigger issues and need to be filled first. That is how you become the Atlanta Hawks or the Memphis Grizzlies.

I tell you what brotha. To me if we at least rebound better we make it to the ECF despite our woes on offense in the playoffs.

I'm not sure I agree but I can't dispute it. I have no idea what just getting a rebounder does. To me, there are myriad of factors to consider other than simply a skillset:

Can they do anything else other than rebound?
How much do they cost to acquire?
What is their contract status?
Does their acquisition influence other moves?

Here's where I'm going with this Bg. If I believe that this offseason I can/will/need to address a much larger issue this offseason (another alpha-level scorer OR 2), so we aren't screwed when IT goes to the bench, the rebounding issue, while aggravating as it has been HAS to wait. We have bigger fish to fry than just adding a rebounder. People keep wanting to say "Oh what's the big deal?" "We have ton's of assets, we can't spare some??" Not saying you in particular but mostly the morons on local talk radio and most of the people that call in. They have ZERO understanding of roster construction as it relates to cap constraints and how to maximize your dollars and options in both. Danny wants EVERY single avenue available this offseason so he can not only utilize his best option to get the talent we need but also have multiple backup plans in case one option falls through. Do you know why there's so much argument on this board about what direction we should go in? And why every poster in here has seemingly a different idea? It's because Danny has literally created that many scenarios for us. That is a good thing. Making a move during this season I'm telling you would have cut our options in half.

It was never about this season, despite how frustrating it is to watch this team play in the playoffs so far. Good GMs don't overreact to a handful of games. Before this season, hell before a couple of seasons ago probably, Danny probably had this season targeted as the right time to strike. Nothing wrong with being pissed that our guys have crapped the bed 2 games in a row at home. But that doesn't mean that we made a mistake earlier by sticking to our LONG TERM plan for our FUTURE and getting caught up in the moment. There are very few "get rich quick schemes" in NBA roster building and don't let anyone tell you different. You can either build this thing right, or quick. You usually don't get to do it both ways. We have a lot of pink hats (Why is there no term for the casual Celtic fan that knows sh*t from shinola about the team? Someone needs to get on that. Seriously.) in Boston. You and I haven't spoken a ton but I feel pretty confident that you know better.

[bucknersrevenge]

We have to get Paul George, he's the guy that can propel us past Lebron.


Last 10 playoff games: 29/8/5 on 45/43/93 splits

Yeah, Paul George is really incredible. I just don't know how much it's going to take to get him, probably too much for Ainge's liking.

The foundation is already laid for both George and Butler. The holdup to either trade now is the nets pick and where it falls. If it comes in number one, the Celtics may be able to hold on to an extra asset where as if it drops to 3 or 4, they may have to sweeten the pot.

Yeah, I don't think Larry has as much leverage as you may think he does. Once Indy loses their next game (and they likely will), George will officially be "done" with that franchise moving forward. With such little time left on his deal, the longer he stays, the lower his trade value. Larry knows this. Danny knows this. As Homer said (and I've been pretty much lockstep with him lately), if it's one, I don't think Danny considers it. But anything else, 2,3, or 4, We'll give up the pick and filler for him. Now the question will be though WHEN? Order of operations is going to be key for Danny so I wouldn't expect a deal on draft day so regardless of who we draft, don't expect an immediate press conference or signing or much acknowledgement. After free agency, which I think we go after Hayward first, and if he stays, JaMychal Green is a player Danny and Brad are very high on. A 20+ mill offer to sign him would leave Memphis no shot at matching if they wanted to field a team, especially considering that as they are, they are no closer to real contention. If we get Green, then the trade comes after that which would include either the pick this year if no Fultz or pick next year if it is Fultz and appropriate filler. And if it's Green I don't see us needing to renounce as many players. There's even a scenario where one of our bigs (Jonas or Kelly probably) come back to play off the bench.

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Not the only Pacers media persons on Twitter pretty much accepting he won't be there next year. Interesting off season for Larry legend.

[SmartWentCrazy]

As much as I love this draft, it's time. Offer BKN17 and Brown and be done with it. Let's add PG13 and roll into FA with max cap space.

[OFWGKTA]

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Not the only Pacers media persons on Twitter pretty much accepting he won't be there next year. Interesting off season for Larry legend.

I like how the Pacers media says "that Nets pick" instead of on RealGM where its "that Nets pick, that Nets pick from last year, and that other Nets pick next year to get the conversation started"

[OFWGKTA]

The Boston Celtics' coaching staff was in favor of trading for Carmelo Anthony at the deadline, according to a source. Danny Ainge, however, had reservations about trading for Anthony. The Celtics have sought cap space for 2017 and acquiring Anthony would have taken that option off the table.

Jae Crowder is a player of interest for the New York Knicks, who could have been acquired during the 2014 Tyson Chandler trade.

The Celtics could use cap space to absorb Anthony's contract if Ainge strikes out in free agency.

Anthony has a full no-trade with the Knicks.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/245699/Celtics-Coaches-Wanted-To-Trade-For-Carmelo-Anthony-At-Deadline

[Slartibartfast]

The Boston Celtics' coaching staff was in favor of trading for Carmelo Anthony at the deadline, according to a source. Danny Ainge, however, had reservations about trading for Anthony. The Celtics have sought cap space for 2017 and acquiring Anthony would have taken that option off the table.

Jae Crowder is a player of interest for the New York Knicks, who could have been acquired during the 2014 Tyson Chandler trade.

The Celtics could use cap space to absorb Anthony's contract if Ainge strikes out in free agency.

Anthony has a full no-trade with the Knicks.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/245699/Celtics-Coaches-Wanted-To-Trade-For-Carmelo-Anthony-At-Deadline

Guess it could be Plan B in case Hayward/Griffin stay put.

[Roddy]

The Boston Celtics' coaching staff was in favor of trading for Carmelo Anthony at the deadline, according to a source. Danny Ainge, however, had reservations about trading for Anthony. The Celtics have sought cap space for 2017 and acquiring Anthony would have taken that option off the table.

Jae Crowder is a player of interest for the New York Knicks, who could have been acquired during the 2014 Tyson Chandler trade.

The Celtics could use cap space to absorb Anthony's contract if Ainge strikes out in free agency.

Anthony has a full no-trade with the Knicks.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/245699/Celtics-Coaches-Wanted-To-Trade-For-Carmelo-Anthony-At-Deadline

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Not the only Pacers media persons on Twitter pretty much accepting he won't be there next year. Interesting off season for Larry legend.

Yup, interesting. Whether the Lakers keep their pick is still a big question. Would change the trade market.

I would deal the top 4 pick for George, maybe with Zeller and a S&T Olynyk to do it without renouncing our other cap holds.

Wouldn't go over that. I know other people probably would.

Smart, Bradley, Crowder, Jaylen and Rozier would all appeal to Bird. But one playoff series doesn't necessarily mean George has regained budding-superstar status.

[chrisab123]

The more I'm thinking about this (Melo) I'm trying to figure out the opposition to the move. Yes he's a ball hog but honestly this team needs someone else who wants to shoot. Everyone but IT loves to defer. If they strike out on Gordon Hayward or Blake Griffin then this is the avenue you take. I would rather have Melo than PG all factors being considered. PG is a much better player right now but he's going to cost both BRK picks and most likely will be residing in LA fall of 2018. With Melo you can still add pieces since Jae would be moved as well. Gives you ability to add vets to upgrade the front court. Even add a rim protector as well.

The rim protector part won't happen though because Danny doesn't believe that's a part of the new NBA. But yes Melo would also fit the style of the team too. We need shooting and rebounding. If they continue to not address the boards then just do what Houston has done and just become an offensive machine.

[165bows]

I'm pretty much in on a cheap Melo move if they strike out in FA. Interesting the coaching staff was into it.

In the event of a Paul George trade... what's the next move? Best available player option is signing Hayward, but that still leaves the front court lacking.

[Homerclease]

I'm pretty much in on a cheap Melo move if they strike out in FA. Interesting the coaching staff was into it.

In the event of a Paul George trade... what's the next move? Best available player option is signing Hayward, but that still leaves the front court lacking.

If you bring in George and Hayward you will be able to find a couple ring chasing vet bigs who will play for the minimum. Guys in the Zaza and West mold. Offer Bradley/Crowder/Brk 17 for George and be done with it

[Curmudgeon]

I don't believe the story. I bet it came from Melo's agent.