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2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#1381 » by ParticleMan » Thu Jun 26, 2025 1:01 pm

Larry_Russell wrote:Team is going to be:

2 max guys
Tatum
Brown

1 higher paid
White

Mle level guys
Pritchard
Kornet
Hauser

Rookie deals
Scheierman
Walsh
Hugo
Queta

Vet min
Horford


That team **** suuuuuuuucks

Should have just traded brown for 2 White level contracts. Team is super top heavy amd will be crushed in playoffs and teams can just load up on tatum who will just shoot threes, and load up on brown who will just turn the ball over.


Not sure how that team is super different than the one that won the title. KP was a non-factor most of the playoffs in 2024, and all of 2025. Holiday was big in 2024 but we've got some young guys like pritchard and maybe BS who have improved a lot since 2 years ago. We need a big to step up but we've got a whole year to sort that out.

A team led by Tatum, Brown, and White not only doesn't suck, I think it's a contender. The new CBA is tough on keeping superteams together, as we've seen first hand. It's going to be much more wide-open, and dependent on variables like who is healthy and who is hot come playoff time.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#1382 » by hugepatsfan » Thu Jun 26, 2025 1:04 pm

Larry_Russell wrote:
ThePigeon wrote:
flintsky21 wrote:Logic points to Brad drafting a big tomorrow.

But with Brad, I don't really know anymore. So it's probably gonna be a wing or guard.


Brad will gamble on Proctor, Lanier, Javon Small. Take Penda if he is available (maybe the end of the Walsh experiment with him and Hugo here)
Or trade out for future draft picks

He'll probably sign Al and Kornet so no glaring need for another big. Continue developing Queta and maybe get Omoruyi to play in SL and sign him to a two-way contract



I love Al as much as the next guy but Kornet amd Horford and Queta cannot be your bigs if you expect to be a somewhat serious team.

Thats a terrible front court.

Not saying a big comes from the draft perhaps a trade as if this team is trying to sell me on being competitive a rookie 2nd rounder isnt a starter either.


Weren’t those the bigs 2 years ago when we won the title with Porzingis out for like all of the playoffs???
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#1383 » by themoneyteam2 » Thu Jun 26, 2025 1:09 pm

Larry_Russell wrote:
flintsky21 wrote:
Read on Twitter


This is why Brad won't be drafting a big tomorrow.

We're gonna ride or die on the backs of 39-year-old Horford and Luke freaking Kornet.



Its moronic


The season doesn't start tomorrow, bud. Your comment is quite ironic when you are throwing a fit about their roster on day 1 of draft night.

It's almost like they 100% won't roll into the season with Horford, Kornet, Queta, and Tillman as their bigs...
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#1384 » by Fierce1 » Thu Jun 26, 2025 1:13 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:
Larry_Russell wrote:
ThePigeon wrote:
Brad will gamble on Proctor, Lanier, Javon Small. Take Penda if he is available (maybe the end of the Walsh experiment with him and Hugo here)
Or trade out for future draft picks

He'll probably sign Al and Kornet so no glaring need for another big. Continue developing Queta and maybe get Omoruyi to play in SL and sign him to a two-way contract



I love Al as much as the next guy but Kornet amd Horford and Queta cannot be your bigs if you expect to be a somewhat serious team.

Thats a terrible front court.

Not saying a big comes from the draft perhaps a trade as if this team is trying to sell me on being competitive a rookie 2nd rounder isnt a starter either.


Weren’t those the bigs 2 years ago when we won the title with Porzingis out for like all of the playoffs???

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#1385 » by gammajamma » Thu Jun 26, 2025 1:15 pm

Larry_Russell wrote:Team is going to be:

2 max guys
Tatum
Brown

1 higher paid
White

Mle level guys
Pritchard
Kornet
Hauser

Rookie deals
Scheierman
Walsh
Hugo
Queta

Vet min
Horford


That team **** suuuuuuuucks

Should have just traded brown for 2 White level contracts. Team is super top heavy amd will be crushed in playoffs and teams can just load up on tatum who will just shoot threes, and load up on brown who will just turn the ball over.



They could be gone this offseason but you’re missing Simons and niang. Simons should help with offense. His d on other hand will be a problem
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Post#1386 » by darylbe » Thu Jun 26, 2025 1:16 pm

As is, aren't they 4.5mil under the 2nd apron? How are they getting horford and kornet and staying under? And filling roster.
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Post#1387 » by darylbe » Thu Jun 26, 2025 1:18 pm

themoneyteam2 wrote:
Larry_Russell wrote:
flintsky21 wrote:
Read on Twitter


This is why Brad won't be drafting a big tomorrow.

We're gonna ride or die on the backs of 39-year-old Horford and Luke freaking Kornet.



Its moronic


The season doesn't start tomorrow, bud. Your comment is quite ironic when you are throwing a fit about their roster on day 1 of draft night.

It's almost like they 100% won't roll into the season with Horford, Kornet, Queta, and Tillman as their bigs...


It's the money. The math isn't mathing.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#1388 » by Celts17Pride » Thu Jun 26, 2025 1:20 pm

As long as the Celtics have a healthy Tatum, Brown and White they are contenders. Brad Stevens knows this
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Post#1389 » by phincsfan » Thu Jun 26, 2025 1:20 pm

I'd be shocked if Tillman isn't moved today.
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Post#1390 » by Fierce1 » Thu Jun 26, 2025 1:21 pm

darylbe wrote:As is, aren't they 4.5mil under the 2nd apron? How are they getting horford and kornet and staying under? And filling roster.

Trade Tillman and Walsh for 2nd rounders that will not convey and that's 4.7m in cap space.

Trade Sam for a future pick.

That's 10m.

So 4.5m + 4.7m + 10m = 19.2m

There you go.
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Post#1391 » by Celts17Pride » Thu Jun 26, 2025 1:22 pm

Larry_Russell wrote:Team is going to be:

2 max guys
Tatum
Brown

1 higher paid
White

Mle level guys
Pritchard
Kornet
Hauser

Rookie deals
Scheierman
Walsh
Hugo
Queta

Vet min
Horford


That team **** suuuuuuuucks

Should have just traded brown for 2 White level contracts. Team is super top heavy amd will be crushed in playoffs and teams can just load up on tatum who will just shoot threes, and load up on brown who will just turn the ball over.

Correct me if I’m wrong but off-season just started
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Post#1392 » by Fierce1 » Thu Jun 26, 2025 1:22 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:As long as the Celtics have a healthy Tatum, Brown and White they are contenders. Brad Stevens knows this

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Post#1393 » by Curmudgeon » Thu Jun 26, 2025 1:22 pm

The good news is that there are some excellent prospects who will be available at #32. Rasheer Fleming has alot of upside. Renaud may be there and Broome too if they want a big man who played a full college career. And if they want to stash someone, there's Penda and Markovic.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#1394 » by themoneyteam2 » Thu Jun 26, 2025 1:25 pm

darylbe wrote:
themoneyteam2 wrote:
Larry_Russell wrote:

Its moronic


The season doesn't start tomorrow, bud. Your comment is quite ironic when you are throwing a fit about their roster on day 1 of draft night.

It's almost like they 100% won't roll into the season with Horford, Kornet, Queta, and Tillman as their bigs...


It's the money. The math isn't mathing.


Huh? The offseason just started, so why are we pretending the current bigs (Assuming they re-sign Horford and Kornet) will be their starting day bigs?
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#1395 » by themoneyteam2 » Thu Jun 26, 2025 1:26 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
Larry_Russell wrote:Team is going to be:

2 max guys
Tatum
Brown

1 higher paid
White

Mle level guys
Pritchard
Kornet
Hauser

Rookie deals
Scheierman
Walsh
Hugo
Queta

Vet min
Horford


That team **** suuuuuuuucks

Should have just traded brown for 2 White level contracts. Team is super top heavy amd will be crushed in playoffs and teams can just load up on tatum who will just shoot threes, and load up on brown who will just turn the ball over.

Correct me if I’m wrong but off-season just started


And he left out their other 20 PPG scorer Simons. This board is a funny place :lol:
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#1396 » by phincsfan » Thu Jun 26, 2025 1:26 pm

Fierce1 wrote:
darylbe wrote:As is, aren't they 4.5mil under the 2nd apron? How are they getting horford and kornet and staying under? And filling roster.

Trade Tillman and Walsh for 2nd rounders that will not convey and that's 4.7m in cap space.

Trade Sam for a future pick.

That's 10m.

So 4.5m + 4.7m + 10m = 19.2m

There you go.


Walsh's full contract is official opening night. Only 200K locked in now. Him and Tillman gone free up 2.7mil.

I wouldn't sign Walsh's option and let Hugo be the new project especially since he's getting guaranteed coin for a few seasons.
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Post#1397 » by 165bows » Thu Jun 26, 2025 1:26 pm

Fierce1 wrote:
darylbe wrote:As is, aren't they 4.5mil under the 2nd apron? How are they getting horford and kornet and staying under? And filling roster.

Trade Tillman and Walsh for 2nd rounders that will not convey and that's 4.7m in cap space.

Trade Sam for a future pick.

That's 10m.

So 4.5m + 4.7m + 10m = 19.2m

There you go.

That's not how it's works they still need to spend on the roster spot. They save some more if they go with undrafted rookies but if they use those sposts on vet min guys it's like <1M for Tillman/Walsh combined.

Undrafted rookies or second round scale guys maybe another 1M+ but it's a fraction of what you are estimating.
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Post#1398 » by hugepatsfan » Thu Jun 26, 2025 1:27 pm

phincsfan wrote:I'd be shocked if Tillman isn't moved today.


I'd be surprised if he is moved right away. He makes $2.5M. The vet min you replace him with will make $2.3M. Someone is going to want something to use a roster spot on him and that's just a poor use of resources to save practically nothing. We'll have 14 players once we sign our pick but Davison is fully non guaranteed so can create one more. Never say never, but can't see us spending even some random 2031 top 55 protected 2nd round pick swap right now for something so trivial when there's serious stuff still to be done.
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Post#1399 » by phincsfan » Thu Jun 26, 2025 1:30 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:
phincsfan wrote:I'd be shocked if Tillman isn't moved today.


I'd be surprised if he is moved right away. He makes $2.5M. The vet min you replace him with will make $2.3M. Someone is going to want something to use a roster spot on him and that's just a poor use of resources to save practically nothing. We'll have 14 players once we sign our pick but Davison is fully non guaranteed so can create one more. Never say never, but can't see us spending even some random 2031 top 55 protected 2nd round pick swap right now for something so trivial when there's serious stuff still to be done.


200+ minutes last season for a 2.5mil contract and the likely possibility of a repeat?

Do a good job drafting with #32 and give that kid a contract like Utah and the Grizz did with Wells and Flip.
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Post#1400 » by Fierce1 » Thu Jun 26, 2025 1:30 pm

165bows wrote:
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darylbe wrote:As is, aren't they 4.5mil under the 2nd apron? How are they getting horford and kornet and staying under? And filling roster.

Trade Tillman and Walsh for 2nd rounders that will not convey and that's 4.7m in cap space.

Trade Sam for a future pick.

That's 10m.

So 4.5m + 4.7m + 10m = 19.2m

There you go.

That's not how it's works they still need to spend on the roster spot. They save some more if they go with undrafted rookies but if they use those sposts on vet min guys it's like <1M for Tillman/Walsh combined.

Undrafted rookies or second round scale guys maybe another 1M+ but it's a fraction of what you are estimating.

4.5m + 2.5m + 10m = 17m

1st priority is to sign Luke.

Al is just secondary.

If not enough for Al then time to move on from Al.

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