The (Quintessential) Trade Thread, 2017 (Part 5.0)

[OFWGKTA]

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Go get WCS, Danny!! Kings have come out and said they aren't trading Cousins. Cousins has come out and said he wants to stay in Sacto (blows my mind). Willie needs to go to a team that will value him more than Sacto. He isn't a long-term backup.

SOOOO

WCS to Boston for Terry Rozier/Jordan Mickey/Bos 2018 1st

Everyone is happy. Kings get a talented young PG & a 1st round pick along with taking a chance on Mickey.

Boston gets a young versatile defensive minded Center/RIM protector in WCS who I think would fit in nicely here.

Having a guy IT can just throw the ball high into the air in his general direction while IT is surrounded by 4 people a foot taller than him would be extremely beneficial.

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I also wanted rim protection in my twenties but we called it a condom back then.

[rob4748]

Okay I made a list of reasonable trade targets, what do you all think?

Tarik Black
Kenneth Faried
Nikola Vucevic
Zach Randolph
Marc Gasol
WCS

I think these players address our needs.

[Ralphb07]

Keep him, then. He's not a particularly good rebounder and doesn't make a difference one way or another to our season.

If you guys want a high second round pick for a 25 game rental, were your team. If not, no harm no foul.

Which they will gladly keep him since it's so easy to purchase a 2nd round pick... Like I said earlier if Ibaka got Ross and a 1st I don't see any reason for the Bulls to not be able to get a 1st.

Good luck with the rest of the season. It's easy to root for you guys the way you play.

Like others have said Ainge has pretty much made it clear that he won't give up a young player and a 1st rounder for a 25 game rental. Toronto is a desperate team for a lot of reasons. Toronto is in a much different position than the Celtics.

I wasn't saying a young player and a pick I was saying a young player OR a late 1st. Reports were Toronto was offering an expiring (Sullinger) and a 1st for Taj. They went to Orlando and told them to take or leave or leave it for Ibaka. The Bulls want a late 1st OR a player who's still under their rookie contract... I get if don't want to offer that, just sharing what it would take for Taj.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Oh come on. No Celtic would have took pride in or aimed for being the absolute best in the league at something? He's hardly doing a Melo and scoring points to the downfall of the team is he?

Not as the Celts are currently constructed (aka a team of defensive role players that cannot win it all due to a lack of star power).

But if we are being real, there's at least a little bit of a red flag with his multiple brinks trunk comments and essentially saying that his "goal" is to outscore a very selfish Westbrook down the stretch of this season.

I wince at that too, but the flag is indeed pretty small.

Bird, who famously sat rather than try to secure a quadruple double or whatever, still managed to score his career high a few days after McHale got his, and nobody thinks that's a coincidence.

Russell wasn't about stats AT ALL -- but Red took the initiative to ensure that.

And there's really no analogy to a major Celtics star facing such career-long disrespect and needing to prove the doubters wrong. Nobody else had it nearly as bad in strictly basketball terms. And when guys faced even worse disrespect for other reasons -- i.e. the racism faced by the black guys of the 50s/60s -- getting stats wasn't the cure.

Good point about Russell - Red always paid him $1 more than whatever Wilt was being paid.

As for the Brinks truck comment - hey, IT spent the first 3 years in the league making the rookie minimum, and only got $16 million over 4 years on his current deal. I don't blame him for wanting to be paid. His next contract will be his last chance at big money, realistically speaking.

As for wanting to win the scoring title - people had no problem with Michael Jordan using that as his motivation. IT plays with a chip on his shoulder so he uses any slight or finds any challenge to keep himself going. Larry Bird got bored and played a game left-handed because he was bored. If IT wants the scoring title, then have at it. His scoring is his most valuable contribution anyhow.

[ddb]

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Go get WCS, Danny!! Kings have come out and said they aren't trading Cousins. Cousins has come out and said he wants to stay in Sacto (blows my mind). Willie needs to go to a team that will value him more than Sacto. He isn't a long-term backup.

SOOOO

WCS to Boston for Terry Rozier/Jordan Mickey/Bos 2018 1st

Everyone is happy. Kings get a talented young PG & a 1st round pick along with taking a chance on Mickey.

Boston gets a young versatile defensive minded Center/RIM protector in WCS who I think would fit in nicely here.

Having a guy IT can just throw the ball high into the air in his general direction while IT is surrounded by 4 people a foot taller than him would be extremely beneficial.

I love WCS. lol

[chrisab123]

Go get WCS, Danny!! Kings have come out and said they aren't trading Cousins. Cousins has come out and said he wants to stay in Sacto (blows my mind). Willie needs to go to a team that will value him more than Sacto. He isn't a long-term backup.

SOOOO

WCS to Boston for Terry Rozier/Jordan Mickey/Bos 2018 1st

Everyone is happy. Kings get a talented young PG & a 1st round pick along with taking a chance on Mickey.

Boston gets a young versatile defensive minded Center/RIM protector in WCS who I think would fit in nicely here.

Having a guy IT can just throw the ball high into the air in his general direction while IT is surrounded by 4 people a foot taller than him would be extremely beneficial.

I love WCS. lol

WCS for Rozier would make a ton of sense but Danny won't do it.

[ddb]

Okay I made a list of reasonable trade targets, what do you all think?

Tarik Black
Kenneth Faried
Nikola Vucevic
Zach Randolph
Marc Gasol
WCS

I think these players address our needs.

Black-No thanks. Who is he playing over?
Faried- No thanks. Not taking on his contract...doesn't offer rim protection. doesn't have range on his shot
Vucevic- At first I was open to it, now I no longer want him. Also he's under contract beyond this season. no thanks
Gasol- Sure. Depending on what Memphis would want in return. A. don't think Memphis will trade him anytime soon. B. not giving up BK 17 or 18 for him.
WCS- YES, YES, YES, YES, YES. He is the exact target of what Danny should be looking for. Young, talented, on rookie deal, and has upside. He could be added in to the foundation and really make a difference RIM running and protecting the RIM on the opposite end. plus, in Boston he could turn into a 3pt shooter. He has that range, but doesn't display it in SACTO

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[cl2117]

I love WCS as a target for us, but the problem is that he's not played great thus far (hence why he's available) and I don't imagine Ainge is going to trade for a guy who isn't going to get off the bench, especially if he's sending out a guy who does.

Seems like a great buy-low candidate you can develop, just like Nurkic, but I think with us competing Ainge is looking for guys who are going to have an impact NOW.

[bucknersrevenge]

Mid day show on WEEI is actually talking Celtics and Lou Merloni has absolutely no clue what he's talking about lol

I actually just called in a minute ago and told him, he would have us mortgage all assets and cap space, basically rendering us the Atlanta Hawks. He seems for whatever reason stuck on this idea that Having Butler, IT and Al is a finish line worthy of celebration in and of itself like that automatically guarantees us anything. He even admits that it probably doesn't get us past GSW but it looks cool. It's so much easier to just be impatient.

[ddb]

I love WCS as a target for us, but the problem is that he's not played great thus far (hence why he's available) and I don't imagine Ainge is going to trade for a guy who isn't going to get off the bench, especially if he's sending out a guy who does.

Seems like a great buy-low candidate you can develop, just like Nurkic, but I think with us competing Ainge is looking for guys who are going to have an impact NOW.

WCS has been playing very well as of late. He'll be fine. Danny should go get him now before his value goes way up

[cl2117]

I love WCS as a target for us, but the problem is that he's not played great thus far (hence why he's available) and I don't imagine Ainge is going to trade for a guy who isn't going to get off the bench, especially if he's sending out a guy who does.

Seems like a great buy-low candidate you can develop, just like Nurkic, but I think with us competing Ainge is looking for guys who are going to have an impact NOW.

WCS has been playing very well as of late. He'll be fine. Danny should go get him now before his value goes way up

I agree, but I don't think Danny would. He's had a solid month of play finally, but that's not enough of a track record to trust him down the stretch (especially when you consider he's got to learn Brad's schemes).

I'd love to grab him now, let him get some run with a team that actually has it's sh(t together and then possibly try and get his value back up to deal him as part of a package this summer.

[CelticFaninLBC]

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Go get WCS, Danny!! Kings have come out and said they aren't trading Cousins. Cousins has come out and said he wants to stay in Sacto (blows my mind). Willie needs to go to a team that will value him more than Sacto. He isn't a long-term backup.

SOOOO

WCS to Boston for Terry Rozier/Jordan Mickey/Bos 2018 1st

Everyone is happy. Kings get a talented young PG & a 1st round pick along with taking a chance on Mickey.

Boston gets a young versatile defensive minded Center/RIM protector in WCS who I think would fit in nicely here.

Vlade probably wants Smart.

[Homerclease]

Mid day show on WEEI is actually talking Celtics and Lou Merloni has absolutely no clue what he's talking about lol

I actually just called in a minute ago and told him, he would have us mortgage all assets and cap space, basically rendering us the Atlanta Hawks. He seems for whatever reason stuck on this idea that Having Butler, IT and Al is a finish line worthy of celebration in and of itself like that automatically guarantees us anything. He even admits that it probably doesn't get us past GSW but it looks cool. It's so much easier to just be impatient.

I heard that call. Apparently Lou is happy just being good enough, his point he keeps circling back to is "oh, you got Jaylen Brown and Jimmy Butler for the nets trade that's pretty good!"

Well I got news for ya Lou, this is Boston. We're not in the business of being pretty good. We want titles.

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Mid day show on WEEI is actually talking Celtics and Lou Merloni has absolutely no clue what he's talking about lol

I actually just called in a minute ago and told him, he would have us mortgage all assets and cap space, basically rendering us the Atlanta Hawks. He seems for whatever reason stuck on this idea that Having Butler, IT and Al is a finish line worthy of celebration in and of itself like that automatically guarantees us anything. He even admits that it probably doesn't get us past GSW but it looks cool. It's so much easier to just be impatient.

I heard that call. Apparently Lou is happy just being good enough, his point he keeps circling back to is "oh, you got Jaylen Brown and Jimmy Butler for the nets trade that's pretty good!"

Well I got news for ya Lou, this is Boston. We're not in the business of being pretty good. We want titles.

In the offseason if we acquire Hayward then for sure I'd slightly overpay for Butler. We would be legit contenders then.

But totally agree... you don't make that move until you are actually on the verge of contending

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Well I got news for ya Lou, this is Boston. We're not in the business of being pretty good. We want titles.

Given his playing career, it's excusable that he doesn't understand that.

[Fencer reregistered]

I love WCS as a target for us, but the problem is that he's not played great thus far (hence why he's available) and I don't imagine Ainge is going to trade for a guy who isn't going to get off the bench, especially if he's sending out a guy who does.

Seems like a great buy-low candidate you can develop, just like Nurkic, but I think with us competing Ainge is looking for guys who are going to have an impact NOW.

WCS has been playing very well as of late. He'll be fine. Danny should go get him now before his value goes way up

Naah. Nobody good ever came out of the Kings ...

... oh, wait.

[mwhis21]

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Go get WCS, Danny!! Kings have come out and said they aren't trading Cousins. Cousins has come out and said he wants to stay in Sacto (blows my mind). Willie needs to go to a team that will value him more than Sacto. He isn't a long-term backup.

SOOOO

WCS to Boston for Terry Rozier/Jordan Mickey/Bos 2018 1st

Everyone is happy. Kings get a talented young PG & a 1st round pick along with taking a chance on Mickey.

Boston gets a young versatile defensive minded Center/RIM protector in WCS who I think would fit in nicely here.

Is this quote from 2009 because we've been looking for about 7-8 years now?

[Fencer reregistered]

Vlade probably wants Smart.

Based on draft position, that's the obvious ask.

But Sacramento proved in the most recent draft that they're not averse to trading down/de-consolidating. So I'd encourage Ainge to go with a package-of-assets approach.

E.g. Rozier/Young/Mickey/minor picks for WCS/whoever Sac wants to dump to make the roster numbers work out.

Coaching WCS up in time for the playoffs will be challenging, but it could work, and winning this year isn't the highest priority anyway.

[bucknersrevenge]

Mid day show on WEEI is actually talking Celtics and Lou Merloni has absolutely no clue what he's talking about lol

I actually just called in a minute ago and told him, he would have us mortgage all assets and cap space, basically rendering us the Atlanta Hawks. He seems for whatever reason stuck on this idea that Having Butler, IT and Al is a finish line worthy of celebration in and of itself like that automatically guarantees us anything. He even admits that it probably doesn't get us past GSW but it looks cool. It's so much easier to just be impatient.

I heard that call. Apparently Lou is happy just being good enough, his point he keeps circling back to is "oh, you got Jaylen Brown and Jimmy Butler for the nets trade that's pretty good!"

Well I got news for ya Lou, this is Boston. We're not in the business of being pretty good. We want titles.

Yeah, that was me. "Aaron in New Hampshire". The slew of calls that followed after that were God awful. People wanting to move the #1 for Okafor because we HAVE to trade that pick. Lou thought that guy was right on. I had to turn it off at that point.