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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#141 » by ermocrate » Thu May 24, 2018 12:20 pm

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The same kind of gamble Ainge took when he let Tony Allen walk.

Turns out, that was a bad move.

He was a young defender in a team made of old dudes, Smart doesn't have any value near that. We were all crying about Avery and Crawford 8 monthys ago and...


Young, old...doesn't matter. You were right the first time, he's an elite grinder. I don't care how young your team is, you want a Draymond, Rodman, Tony Allen type on your championship contender. Who do you have to replace that?

2 7 million per year guy instead of one limited player for 15/16, I'm not trying to act like Smart is the only defender in the NBA, Baynes is one and didn't took 15 millions. Did you think it's hard to find an energy guy that doesn't command an all start salary like Marcus does?
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#142 » by claycarver » Thu May 24, 2018 1:12 pm

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ermocrate wrote:He was a young defender in a team made of old dudes, Smart doesn't have any value near that. We were all crying about Avery and Crawford 8 monthys ago and...


Young, old...doesn't matter. You were right the first time, he's an elite grinder. I don't care how young your team is, you want a Draymond, Rodman, Tony Allen type on your championship contender. Who do you have to replace that?

2 7 million per year guy instead of one limited player for 15/16, I'm not trying to act like Smart is the only defender in the NBA, Baynes is one and didn't took 15 millions. Did you think it's hard to find an energy guy that doesn't command an all start salary like Marcus does?


If its not hard to find a guy who does what Smart does, then sure, we should let him go. I look back on most championship teams, I see a Marcus Smart kind of guy on a lot of them. Unless you can name actual players that are available to fill that roll for less money, I'd rather stick with Smart.

I think we just fundamentally disagree on the unique, complimentary kind of skills that Smart has for a championship caliber type team and how rare it is to find those kind of guys.
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#143 » by ermocrate » Thu May 24, 2018 2:00 pm

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Young, old...doesn't matter. You were right the first time, he's an elite grinder. I don't care how young your team is, you want a Draymond, Rodman, Tony Allen type on your championship contender. Who do you have to replace that?

2 7 million per year guy instead of one limited player for 15/16, I'm not trying to act like Smart is the only defender in the NBA, Baynes is one and didn't took 15 millions. Did you think it's hard to find an energy guy that doesn't command an all start salary like Marcus does?


If its not hard to find a guy who does what Smart does, then sure, we should let him go. I look back on most championship teams, I see a Marcus Smart kind of guy on a lot of them. Unless you can name actual players that are available to fill that roll for less money, I'd rather stick with Smart.

I think we just fundamentally disagree on the unique, complimentary kind of skills that Smart has for a championship caliber type team and how rare it is to find those kind of guys.

These type of guys are in Championship caliber teams, you're right, but usually they did not make All-Stars money, give those guys that type of money means you are not gonna be a Championship caliber team... Ariza, Mbah Moute, Tony Snell, Patrick Beverly, Danny Green, the price for that type of player does not exceed 10-12 millions per year, unless you have veteran leadership over the lockeroom amd you make 14 like Iguodala. Once you are a credible contender you will have PLENTY of defenders in line to play for your team.
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#144 » by AzogTheDefilier » Thu May 24, 2018 2:40 pm

Ariza makes $7.4mil per yr. Smart should not be getting more than $9mil per and not with the Cs. Sign and trade.
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#145 » by Andrew McCeltic » Thu May 24, 2018 3:01 pm

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dynasty2018 wrote:I don't think the Celtics should worry about going over the luxury cap starting right now. This run has proven the future is now. They are one trade away from becoming dominance on paper. Say Rozier is the real deal. Kyrie is moved for Towns. Sorry, just mindless speculation. If I was Danny, no way would I allow Smart to walk away for nothing. He's no Sully. He's easily more valuable than an Evan Turner. Philly is mediocre because they messed up so many big decisions. Let Smart go for nothing and there's one asset down the drain.


Disrespecting Kyrie a ton.. Rozier’s just now starting to show some of the moves he probably got taught by Kyrie in practice. I get it’s not a hugely loyal league, but Kyrie just had a legit MVP season, he’s an offensive savant.

If Kyrie was such an offensive savant, he'd rack up more assists with fewer turnovers. Isaiah was closer to savant status. Rondo was a savant except for shooting. The savant would be Irving's scoring with Rondo's passing. That player doesn't exist. Isaiah was simply too short on defense. Kyrie needs to be more than just taller than Isaiah. It has not been proven he is God's gift to point guard. Irving is a scoring machine. He might be a shooting guard in a pg body. He might need to be a ball hog to best impact the team and that's not traditional Celtics basketball. That's not worth 40 million.

I'm not disrespecting anyone. Danny has a lot of options.

I am into the idea of team as superstar. It doesn't mean I'm against players breaking ceilings and becoming those. Kyrie still needs to prove some things, imho. This isn't football where if guys become damage goods you just make the cut. He has some flaws. It's okay for Horford to not be spectacular because he is a two-way player good at everything. Kyrie has only proven that he is taller than Isaiah. The injury means he gets an incomplete.


Anyone know advanced stats on the team's field goal percentages and open looks with and without Kyrie? My eye says that even if he doesn't set up assists, he's tremendously good as a decoy, and at drawing and rearranging defenses with his fluidity with the ball. His style has a net positive effect in a way IT's scoring didn't, because our whole offense had to be designed to get Thomas going in certain positions, firing him out like a pinball.
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#146 » by sam_I_am » Thu May 24, 2018 3:14 pm

dynasty2018 wrote:How can Danny allow tonight's Marcus Smart to walk away for nothing? One might not like his style but he was a #6 pick and is a proven NBA rotation player. Is his hand 100%? His mom is sick. He had a great game tonight. Brad's leaning on seven guys and he's one of them. I'm thinking possible #18. Why not? Smart is a warrior and wild card. LeBron would love to be on the Celtics right about now. He's salivating over our roster. Marcus Smart was outstanding.


How could GS let Harrison Barnes walk for nothing? Hayward is an enormous upgrade. Can’t pay 15-30 million for everybody.
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#147 » by Dave_From_NB » Thu May 24, 2018 3:23 pm

The guy shot 3 3 pointers in a minute and a half in the 4'th quarter. You sometimes think he's a great difference maker player, and other times you wonder at just how horrible he chooses to be.

That being said, I sure don't want him playing defense against the C's.

I hope they get him resigned for a reasonable figure. Although my neighbours would probably appreciate him moving on so I don't yell "NO MARCUS" at the tv so often.
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#148 » by Darth Celtic » Thu May 24, 2018 3:27 pm

Dave_From_NB wrote:The guy shot 3 3 pointers in a minute and a half in the 4'th quarter. You sometimes think he's a great difference maker player, and other times you wonder at just how horrible he chooses to be.

That being said, I sure don't want him playing defense against the C's.

I hope they get him resigned for a reasonable figure. Although my neighbours would probably appreciate him moving on so I don't yell "NO MARCUS" at the tv so often.

and at least half the time it's followed up with "good job Marcus." he's like A Walker. No no no no... good shot.
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#149 » by cloverleaf » Thu May 24, 2018 3:31 pm

I fully believe Smart saw the Olylnyk and Turner signings and swore to himself he wouldn't turn down half that opportunity if it came that way.

He probably also would like more of a chance to start.
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Post#150 » by dynasty2018 » Thu May 24, 2018 4:16 pm

Andrew McCeltic wrote:Anyone know advanced stats on the team's field goal percentages and open looks with and without Kyrie? My eye says that even if he doesn't set up assists, he's tremendously good as a decoy, and at drawing and rearranging defenses with his fluidity with the ball. His style has a net positive effect in a way IT's scoring didn't, because our whole offense had to be designed to get Thomas going in certain positions, firing him out like a pinball.

Some don't mind if Marcus walks if he costs too much. I am thinking the same way with Kyrie except for the losing him for nothing part. Isaiah and Turner blossomed as Celtics because there was often no one else capable of keeping things moving forward. Avery Bradley started racking up points when he was handed scoring responsibilities. With Tatum, Brown and Hayward as natural scorers, there is no longer a need to have a scoring dominant pg.

Kyrie is greatness but he is injury prone with a few holes in his game.

I agree Kyrie was a definite upgrade over Isaiah. He doesn't barrel into opponents and is less likely to be abused as a defender. His injury history is alarming. He could become the next Derrick Rose. Even if he stays healthy for the rest of his prime, I'm not sure he ever improves at defense and ball distribution. Kyrie getting a supermax would be extremely risky, imho. I know champions need great players, but Tatum and Brown are looking very truthful in that regard. Hayward is already on the books with a max deal.

And I just find it outrageous that while Rozier and Smart are bleeding green fighting to keep the season going, people are discussing which of the two needs to go. Maybe Kyrie is the one. I say bring them all back and table the topic until there is more of a sample size to evaluate. No one knows and 2017-18 is still in play.
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Post#151 » by dynasty2018 » Thu May 24, 2018 4:45 pm

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dynasty2018 wrote:How can Danny allow tonight's Marcus Smart to walk away for nothing? One might not like his style but he was a #6 pick and is a proven NBA rotation player. Is his hand 100%? His mom is sick. He had a great game tonight. Brad's leaning on seven guys and he's one of them. I'm thinking possible #18. Why not? Smart is a warrior and wild card. LeBron would love to be on the Celtics right about now. He's salivating over our roster. Marcus Smart was outstanding.


How could GS let Harrison Barnes walk for nothing? Hayward is an enormous upgrade. Can’t pay 15-30 million for everybody.

Golden State is still greatness and heavy favorites, yet the talent gap is rapidly shrinking.

It's one thing to lose a Turner during a rebuild. The Celtics are well past the fireworks stage. It's about going all-in with Tatum and Brown. Losing Smart for nothing will hurt the Celtics. Unless he is offered a poison pill contract, Danny has to match it. If that means sign and trade or Smart returns, that's what I'd do.

Danny might have broken the NBA. His run as a GM starting with the Nets' trade has matched many of the great moves Red Auerbach pulled off. Ainge is going to have to stay pro-active if he wants to compete with Red for winning rings. Smart is a restricted free agent. There's no need to let a quality player like that leave for nothing just because the C's don't want to go into the luxury tax. Oklahoma lost Harden and never came close. Golden State is starting to get squeezed. Letting Smart leave for nothing would be ridiculous. He has jump-started the team twice coming back from injuries.

The Celtics are just starting a new era competing for titles. It's too early to allow "assets" to walk away for nothing. Smart is a much better player than Olynyk and Turner despite his own flaws.
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#152 » by sam_I_am » Thu May 24, 2018 8:43 pm

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dynasty2018 wrote:How can Danny allow tonight's Marcus Smart to walk away for nothing? One might not like his style but he was a #6 pick and is a proven NBA rotation player. Is his hand 100%? His mom is sick. He had a great game tonight. Brad's leaning on seven guys and he's one of them. I'm thinking possible #18. Why not? Smart is a warrior and wild card. LeBron would love to be on the Celtics right about now. He's salivating over our roster. Marcus Smart was outstanding.


How could GS let Harrison Barnes walk for nothing? Hayward is an enormous upgrade. Can’t pay 15-30 million for everybody.

Golden State is still greatness and heavy favorites, yet the talent gap is rapidly shrinking.

It's one thing to lose a Turner during a rebuild. The Celtics are well past the fireworks stage. It's about going all-in with Tatum and Brown. Losing Smart for nothing will hurt the Celtics. Unless he is offered a poison pill contract, Danny has to match it. If that means sign and trade or Smart returns, that's what I'd do.

Danny might have broken the NBA. His run as a GM starting with the Nets' trade has matched many of the great moves Red Auerbach pulled off. Ainge is going to have to stay pro-active if he wants to compete with Red for winning rings. Smart is a restricted free agent. There's no need to let a quality player like that leave for nothing just because the C's don't want to go into the luxury tax. Oklahoma lost Harden and never came close. Golden State is starting to get squeezed. Letting Smart leave for nothing would be ridiculous. He has jump-started the team twice coming back from injuries.

The Celtics are just starting a new era competing for titles. It's too early to allow "assets" to walk away for nothing. Smart is a much better player than Olynyk and Turner despite his own flaws.


If someone offers him an Eric Turner 17 million deal, how can you sign and trade? What are you going to take back? I doubt anybody offers a first round pick. Maybe a couple of second rounders and a trade exception? There is no way we can risk actually matching a deal like that and getting stuck with it. Sad to say because I really like Marcus and want him on the team at the right price, but he either takes QO, a 3 yr/24 mil (maybe if DA thinks cap will jump) or he is gone.

There is no way you pay 10-15 million to a reserve who can’t shoot no matter how much heart and toughness he has. The guy is a warrior and a champion as a role player. He cannot be that guy with a big contract - not for us or any other contender. If he gets the big money contract he ends up on the Corey Maggette path - starting for lottery teams.
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#153 » by darrendaye » Thu May 24, 2018 8:59 pm

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dynasty2018 wrote:How can Danny allow tonight's Marcus Smart to walk away for nothing? One might not like his style but he was a #6 pick and is a proven NBA rotation player. Is his hand 100%? His mom is sick. He had a great game tonight. Brad's leaning on seven guys and he's one of them. I'm thinking possible #18. Why not? Smart is a warrior and wild card. LeBron would love to be on the Celtics right about now. He's salivating over our roster. Marcus Smart was outstanding.


How could GS let Harrison Barnes walk for nothing? Hayward is an enormous upgrade. Can’t pay 15-30 million for everybody.


Um, because of a little thing like Durant signing? Same reason the C's let Olynyk go this past offseason for Hayward.

EDIT: Also, to have any possibility of trading for a decent veteran down the road, they will need to have salary matches.
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Post#154 » by DarkAzcura » Thu May 24, 2018 9:07 pm

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dynasty2018 wrote:How can Danny allow tonight's Marcus Smart to walk away for nothing? One might not like his style but he was a #6 pick and is a proven NBA rotation player. Is his hand 100%? His mom is sick. He had a great game tonight. Brad's leaning on seven guys and he's one of them. I'm thinking possible #18. Why not? Smart is a warrior and wild card. LeBron would love to be on the Celtics right about now. He's salivating over our roster. Marcus Smart was outstanding.


How could GS let Harrison Barnes walk for nothing? Hayward is an enormous upgrade. Can’t pay 15-30 million for everybody.


Um, because of a little thing like Durant signing? Same reason the C's let Olynyk go this past offseason for Hayward.

EDIT: Also, to have any possibility of trading for a decent veteran down the road, they will need to have salary matches.


Yeah, this. They needed to let Barnes go to sign Durant. We needed to let Olynyk go to sign Hayward. We also needed to let Turner go to sign Horford. Those were our "prizes" for letting those players go for free rather than in trades. We are capped out now, though, and letting go of Smart will result in pretty much nothing unlike those other situations noted above.

Hell, I say you pretty much match anything he gets just to maintain the trade asset. Even if it is something crazy like 14-16 million. Match it, and if it becomes an issue down the road, you can look into trades. We have nothing to gain by letting him walk other than saving Wyc cash. Very different from the Olynyk, Turner, etc situations.
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Post#155 » by djFan71 » Thu May 24, 2018 10:28 pm

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How could GS let Harrison Barnes walk for nothing? Hayward is an enormous upgrade. Can’t pay 15-30 million for everybody.


Um, because of a little thing like Durant signing? Same reason the C's let Olynyk go this past offseason for Hayward.

EDIT: Also, to have any possibility of trading for a decent veteran down the road, they will need to have salary matches.


Yeah, this. They needed to let Barnes go to sign Durant. We needed to let Olynyk go to sign Hayward. We also needed to let Turner go to sign Horford. Those were our "prizes" for letting those players go for free rather than in trades. We are capped out now, though, and letting go of Smart will result in pretty much nothing unlike those other situations noted above.

Hell, I say you pretty much match anything he gets just to maintain the trade asset. Even if it is something crazy like 14-16 million. Match it, and if it becomes an issue down the road, you can look into trades. We have nothing to gain by letting him walk other than saving Wyc cash. Very different from the Olynyk, Turner, etc situations.

Pretty sure that was his point. You CAN let a guy walk for no return if you are significantly upgrading. GSW was the example of that working out quite well.

But, I do agree it's a different scenario - we can/should go over the cap/tax for Marcus.
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Post#156 » by ermocrate » Fri May 25, 2018 7:23 am

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Um, because of a little thing like Durant signing? Same reason the C's let Olynyk go this past offseason for Hayward.

EDIT: Also, to have any possibility of trading for a decent veteran down the road, they will need to have salary matches.


Yeah, this. They needed to let Barnes go to sign Durant. We needed to let Olynyk go to sign Hayward. We also needed to let Turner go to sign Horford. Those were our "prizes" for letting those players go for free rather than in trades. We are capped out now, though, and letting go of Smart will result in pretty much nothing unlike those other situations noted above.

Hell, I say you pretty much match anything he gets just to maintain the trade asset. Even if it is something crazy like 14-16 million. Match it, and if it becomes an issue down the road, you can look into trades. We have nothing to gain by letting him walk other than saving Wyc cash. Very different from the Olynyk, Turner, etc situations.

Pretty sure that was his point. You CAN let a guy walk for no return if you are significantly upgrading. GSW was the example of that working out quite well.

But, I do agree it's a different scenario - we can/should go over the cap/tax for Marcus.

WE ARE actually significantly upgrading, we are acquiring 2 top NBA player during the summer.
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Yeah, this. They needed to let Barnes go to sign Durant. We needed to let Olynyk go to sign Hayward. We also needed to let Turner go to sign Horford. Those were our "prizes" for letting those players go for free rather than in trades. We are capped out now, though, and letting go of Smart will result in pretty much nothing unlike those other situations noted above.

Hell, I say you pretty much match anything he gets just to maintain the trade asset. Even if it is something crazy like 14-16 million. Match it, and if it becomes an issue down the road, you can look into trades. We have nothing to gain by letting him walk other than saving Wyc cash. Very different from the Olynyk, Turner, etc situations.

Pretty sure that was his point. You CAN let a guy walk for no return if you are significantly upgrading. GSW was the example of that working out quite well.

But, I do agree it's a different scenario - we can/should go over the cap/tax for Marcus.

WE ARE actually significantly upgrading, we are acquiring 2 top NBA player during the summer.

Again, kind of sam's original point. In a vacuum it's OK to lose Marcus for nothing since we are "adding" Kyrie and Gordon. But, I agree with Dark, that since we're capped out, it isn't a vacuum and you gotta hang on to that talent that you can still keep, given our salary structure.
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Post#158 » by ermocrate » Fri May 25, 2018 8:02 am

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djFan71 wrote:Pretty sure that was his point. You CAN let a guy walk for no return if you are significantly upgrading. GSW was the example of that working out quite well.

But, I do agree it's a different scenario - we can/should go over the cap/tax for Marcus.

WE ARE actually significantly upgrading, we are acquiring 2 top NBA player during the summer.

Again, kind of sam's original point. In a vacuum it's OK to lose Marcus for nothing since we are "adding" Kyrie and Gordon. But, I agree with Dark, that since we're capped out, it isn't a vacuum and you gotta hang on to that talent that you can still keep, given our salary structure.

Realistically we would not have that much PT for Marcus justifying a 16-17m salary, I would agree if Brown and Tatum had not blossomed in what they are now but you really have to think about it with the way things panned out, that salary would also not guarantee his tradeability in the future since he is sort of a fluctuant asset, you'll never know if you will be playing Dr. Jekill or Mr.Hide and I think that's too much to make him a "valuable role player" to a title contender, you risk to be stuck with an ovepriced defensive commodity and to need to trade him at the cost of a pick. Another risk comes for the nex few renewal season you have ahead of you, if you extend Marcus for 16/17 what are Brown, Irving, Tatum, Horford asking for? You may have to destroy your team before even becoming a serious contender.
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Post#159 » by darrendaye » Fri May 25, 2018 10:56 am

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ermocrate wrote:WE ARE actually significantly upgrading, we are acquiring 2 top NBA player during the summer.

Again, kind of sam's original point. In a vacuum it's OK to lose Marcus for nothing since we are "adding" Kyrie and Gordon. But, I agree with Dark, that since we're capped out, it isn't a vacuum and you gotta hang on to that talent that you can still keep, given our salary structure.

Realistically we would not have that much PT for Marcus justifying a 16-17m salary, I would agree if Brown and Tatum had not blossomed in what they are now but you really have to think about it with the way things panned out, that salary would also not guarantee his tradeability in the future since he is sort of a fluctuant asset, you'll never know if you will be playing Dr. Jekill or Mr.Hide and I think that's too much to make him a "valuable role player" to a title contender, you risk to be stuck with an ovepriced defensive commodity and to need to trade him at the cost of a pick. Another risk comes for the nex few renewal season you have ahead of you, if you extend Marcus for 16/17 what are Brown, Irving, Tatum, Horford asking for? You may have to destroy your team before even becoming a serious contender.


I somewhat disagree here. Smart's ability to defend multiple positions allows you to find enough time for him to justify a 6th man level salary. $15-16mm is a bit too rich for my blood, but I could overpay to a level as much as $12mm with only modest anxiety. I would argue that they don't have that same luxury with Rozier.

IMO, you want one of Smart or Brown out there to defend the opponent's best wing scorer, for the most part. And there are surely times when Brown is out there that you want to give him some time off from that task to allow him to exert more energy on the offensive end.
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Post#160 » by ermocrate » Fri May 25, 2018 11:01 am

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djFan71 wrote:Again, kind of sam's original point. In a vacuum it's OK to lose Marcus for nothing since we are "adding" Kyrie and Gordon. But, I agree with Dark, that since we're capped out, it isn't a vacuum and you gotta hang on to that talent that you can still keep, given our salary structure.

Realistically we would not have that much PT for Marcus justifying a 16-17m salary, I would agree if Brown and Tatum had not blossomed in what they are now but you really have to think about it with the way things panned out, that salary would also not guarantee his tradeability in the future since he is sort of a fluctuant asset, you'll never know if you will be playing Dr. Jekill or Mr.Hide and I think that's too much to make him a "valuable role player" to a title contender, you risk to be stuck with an ovepriced defensive commodity and to need to trade him at the cost of a pick. Another risk comes for the nex few renewal season you have ahead of you, if you extend Marcus for 16/17 what are Brown, Irving, Tatum, Horford asking for? You may have to destroy your team before even becoming a serious contender.


I somewhat disagree here. Smart's ability to defend multiple positions allows you to find enough time for him to justify a 6th man level salary. $15-16mm is a bit too rich for my blood, but I could overpay to a level as much as $12mm with only modest anxiety. I would argue that they don't have that same luxury with Rozier.

I agree with you, already said is 12mil top for me he just don't justifies 16-17, you can take 2 defenders in two different positions with that kind of money, and I agree also on the fact Terry is going to be traded if he asks for more than 6-7.
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