Knicks 117 @ Celtics 109 Post-game Notes (9-9)

[SichtingLives]

We have a problem with 4 wings when we only need 3. Only Morris of that group, who isn't even a starter, is playing up to expectations/ability.

we have 3 "point guards" but not a single one of them is an actual point guard. and we desperately do need one on this roster, even if it's a second unit guy. Love Ky but he's a 6 foot 3 Kobe. He's an undersized wing, and the best wing on this team, but to think he's a point guard because of his size would be wrong, thats not what he does. Marcus is whatever he is and Terry is the frontman in a bad Kyrie tribute band.

we have 3 bigs who are all not very good at defending the pnr. None of them stretch the floor well enough for the system we run.

we dont push the ball up the floor well. for whatever reasons, no one shoots well. we don't get stops when we need to. we don't finish good offensive possessions with made baskets. there are trust issues, there are confidence issues. there are a number of players on this roster who don't play well together. there are a number of players underperforming for different reasons. brad is handcuffed to make any real changes because as is, a number of these underperforming players need MORE usage to feel good. So 3rd string guys getting injected, how the hell is that supposed to happen? Semi getting 15 minutes a game to 3, D and get the hell out of the way? Can't do it.

I am excited about what is going to happen. Danny is about to explode. He is red faced. You know he wants to walk into that locker room and take a huge $hit on the leprechaun right now, right in front of everyone to see, and walk out. No wipe. He's sitting here watching every team around us get better...dude he is going to blow this thing to smithereens and I can't wait. I dont have anything against any guy on this roster but i cant wait. We are not ****** this season off. Pieces in, pieces out, as usual. Lets go. Happy Thanksgiving Celtics forum. Yall are great.

[CelticsPride18]

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Where the hell is this Terry Rozier and Jaylen Brown? I don’t think either of them showed a glimpse of this all season so far.

And look at the pace were playing.

[Duke4life831]

Honestly it looks like Jaylen and Rozier are playing like they don't want to be there anymore. It's hard to explain, but there seem to be some obvious passes and just overall team plays they both should make and they take the tougher individual play. Again it's hard to explain but it feels like more selfish than black hole.

With that said, Stevens needs to do something. I'm as big of a Stevens fan as there is, but this season he has been pretty subpar. This has been a man that has been amazing at milking the best out of all his players and forming the perfect system for his group of guys. But the offense this year has just seemed off and bland and there seems to have been very little adjustments.

[OldCeltics]

lol lol lol lol

[Bill Lumbergh]

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Where the hell is this Terry Rozier and Jaylen Brown? I don’t think either of them showed a glimpse of this all season so far.

Thanks for that. Last year's team was so fun. All the great epic comebacks and the incredible playoff run with young guys stepping up. Crushing Philly in 5. One of my favorite Celtic teams ever. Who could have imagined them being horrible this year? Not me.

And Timi is the God of Celtics Youtube.

[K For Three]

We have a problem with 4 wings when we only need 3. Only Morris of that group, who isn't even a starter, is playing up to expectations/ability.

we have 3 "point guards" but not a single one of them is an actual point guard. and we desperately do need one on this roster, even if it's a second unit guy. Love Ky but he's a 6 foot 3 Kobe. He's an undersized wing, and the best wing on this team, but to think he's a point guard because of his size would be wrong, thats not what he does. Marcus is whatever he is and Terry is the frontman in a bad Kyrie tribute band.

we have 3 bigs who are all not very good at defending the pnr. None of them stretch the floor well enough for the system we run.

we dont push the ball up the floor well. for whatever reasons, no one shoots well. we don't get stops when we need to. we don't finish good offensive possessions with made baskets. there are trust issues, there are confidence issues. there are a number of players on this roster who don't play well together. there are a number of players underperforming for different reasons. brad is handcuffed to make any real changes because as is, a number of these underperforming players need MORE usage to feel good. So 3rd string guys getting injected, how the hell is that supposed to happen? Semi getting 15 minutes a game to 3, D and get the hell out of the way? Can't do it.

I am excited about what is going to happen. Danny is about to explode. He is red faced. You know he wants to walk into that locker room and take a huge $hit on the leprechaun right now, right in front of everyone to see, and walk out. No wipe. He's sitting here watching every team around us get better...dude he is going to blow this thing to smithereens and I can't wait. I dont have anything against any guy on this roster but i cant wait. We are not ****** this season off. Pieces in, pieces out, as usual. Lets go. Happy Thanksgiving Celtics forum. Yall are great.

[NYCelticsfan136]

I expected brown and Tatum to take a step forward. I hate to say it but both these guys are killing the team with their inconsistency. Tatum is not shooting it well and brown looks god awful! Danny i am sure thought this guy would take a big step forward.

[return2glory]

The difference is Rozier can play, Brown can’t.

With Rozier, he is trying to get off this team fast. If you start him next to Kyrie, you will go back to showcasing his talent.

I called Brown a scrub last year and people got mad. He would pick another career like a professor or engineer or politician. He is a smart, dumb guy. Dumb on the court. A really bad BBIQ. Doesn’t work on his game because he is to busy playing chess, instruments, and other stuff that doesn’t include basketball.

[Kids Are Alright]

I feel like Brown and Tatum look like disintetested Jeff Greens standing on the perimeter in the space the floor offense that we run. (I liked Green when he used to wake up a bit in the Cs though and will never forget the win over Miami when a washed-up Gerald Wallace lobbed a cross court pass to Jeff in the deep right corner, who nailed the three, I’m betting Tatum/Brown/Rozier/Smart/Hayward/Horford all miss that shot right now and Kyrie/Morris make it, thus our season to date)
What to do with a team of wings that can’t shoot either inside or outside and a couple of post guys that are marginal nba/Euro guys?
Right now it’s win an occaisional game if Kyrie gets 40+, otherwise it’s lose.

[Infinite Llamas]

Happy Thanksgiving my forum lovelies.

And Happy Thanksgiving from Kyrie Irving too.

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[Infinite Llamas]

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Where the hell is this Terry Rozier and Jaylen Brown? I don’t think either of them showed a glimpse of this all season so far.

Next man up philosophy. Backs up against the wall. This is where you'll see hungry players thrive, players that have a lot of fight in them and want to flip the narrative. Folks counted the C's out when they lost Kyrie and they damn near made the Finals. This new team was praised from day one but hadn't earned anything. Watch that clip and the players are engaged, focused and having fun. There's trust with every player on the court. This team now is paranoid and clearly disengaged. There was a lot of pressure to build on the success of last season and something has gone haywire psychologically in the process, I fear.

Nostalgia is no cure, but that clip was fun to watch again.

[Parliament10]

Maybe it's time to take Brown off the frontline, too?


Irving - Smart - Tatum - Horford - Baynes
Rozier - Brown - Hayward - Morris - Theis

(Wanamaker) - Ojeleye - Yabusele - Williams

[Kalela]

Honestly it looks like Jaylen and Rozier are playing like they don't want to be there anymore. It's hard to explain, but there seem to be some obvious passes and just overall team plays they both should make and they take the tougher individual play. Again it's hard to explain but it feels like more selfish than black hole.

With that said, Stevens needs to do something. I'm as big of a Stevens fan as there is, but this season he has been pretty subpar. This has been a man that has been amazing at milking the best out of all his players and forming the perfect system for his group of guys. But the offense this year has just seemed off and bland and there seems to have been very little adjustments.

I wonder if it is possible if those two (and may be others) are jealous of Stevens relationship with Hayward?

[djsunyc]

I get jealous watching other team’s offense. They push the pace at a fast rate, nobody on the team hesitates on what to do with the basketball, no team moves around the ball like a hot potato in a half court offense, there’s actually cuts going to the baskets, there’s post plays, some teams just chuck up shots in a hurry but they do put up a lot of points and players seem more comfortable.

What do the Celtics do?

Get a rebound, Kyrie/Smart/Rozier jog up the court veeery slowly. Most times on offense everyone is standing at the opposite corner threes besides the ball handler and the usual big who sets the pick and roll, that’s literally the only action that’s being run on offense while everyone stands around and watches waiting to see how the defense reacts to the pick and roll. Stevens does not run any post plays when we have a lot of wings, nobody cuts. Every play on offense requires 4-5 passes which the shot clock is always down to 7 or less. Everyone looks so uncomfortable when they get the ball like they’re making up things on the fly; see that a lot with Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Rozier.

What I saw from the team last post season was Rozier being comfortable shooting quick shots, any time we got a stop we sprinted to the other side for a quick shot. We chucked shots early in the shot clock sometimes but the speed was fast and the players looked comfortable with none of them seeming hesistant in what they were doing.None of this bs hot potato snail pace **** we are currently doing. We gave Horford the ball in the post a lot which led to a lot of actions being run with cuts and screens being set.

i think pace is the reason. i don't think the team is built to play at this pace.

17/18 - the #1 paced team was new orleans at 102.7, boston ranked #23 at 98.2
18/19 - the #1 paced team is atlanta at 108.7, boston is ranked 24 at 101.3

[Curmudgeon]

Maybe Ainge and Stevens are tanking for Zion Williamson.

[aussie_pride]

We have a problem with 4 wings when we only need 3. Only Morris of that group, who isn't even a starter, is playing up to expectations/ability.

we have 3 "point guards" but not a single one of them is an actual point guard. and we desperately do need one on this roster, even if it's a second unit guy. Love Ky but he's a 6 foot 3 Kobe. He's an undersized wing, and the best wing on this team, but to think he's a point guard because of his size would be wrong, thats not what he does. Marcus is whatever he is and Terry is the frontman in a bad Kyrie tribute band.

we have 3 bigs who are all not very good at defending the pnr. None of them stretch the floor well enough for the system we run.

we dont push the ball up the floor well. for whatever reasons, no one shoots well. we don't get stops when we need to. we don't finish good offensive possessions with made baskets. there are trust issues, there are confidence issues. there are a number of players on this roster who don't play well together. there are a number of players underperforming for different reasons. brad is handcuffed to make any real changes because as is, a number of these underperforming players need MORE usage to feel good. So 3rd string guys getting injected, how the hell is that supposed to happen? Semi getting 15 minutes a game to 3, D and get the hell out of the way? Can't do it.

I am excited about what is going to happen. Danny is about to explode. He is red faced. You know he wants to walk into that locker room and take a huge $hit on the leprechaun right now, right in front of everyone to see, and walk out. No wipe. He's sitting here watching every team around us get better...dude he is going to blow this thing to smithereens and I can't wait. I dont have anything against any guy on this roster but i cant wait. We are not ****** this season off. Pieces in, pieces out, as usual. Lets go. Happy Thanksgiving Celtics forum. Yall are great.

I think the biggest problem is not necessarily the players we’ve got but the style of basketball we are playing. For me it all comes down to this ridiculous reliance on three ball when we could be taking higher percentage shots. For me we have the necessary players to players the pick and roll game more than what we are now. Similarly, part of the reason why Gordon Hayward has struggled is that Brad Stevens is not making the most of his skill set. For example, Hayward is excellent at driving off his wing into the paint and making cuts. How many side pick and rolls or offensive sets have we run based on that?

In short, I just feel that we need to stop relying on individual skill and play a more structured game. In terms of defence, can someone please explain to me why we haven’t resorted to double teaming players who have gotten hot from behind the 3 point line? I.e Kemba Walker the other night!

[Infinite Llamas]

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regarding Rozier, watch at the 0:54 second mark. when Rozier gets the ball at the top of the key with plenty of space. He passes to Smart which draws the defense a bit and Smart gets the ball back to Rozier who has a one-on-one chance to attack. This is Rozier's best bet to attack the rim as his quickness should involve him getting past many defenders. Even if he misses the lay up, his misses often lead to offensive rebounds, so that's a bonus. But I feel we've shied from these instances and Rozier is often reduced to the corners. They're treating him more like Roberson out there and destroying his creativity. He got one shot off in the first half tonight, and being one of our best 3pt shooters, he needs looks. Part of the issue also is that he has developed a habit of doing a quick fake when he gets the ball on the perimeter rather than just shooting the shot without overthinking it. It's almost like he's unsure when to shoot and when to pass in his new role and that may be the root of the confusion.

Basically, Rozier is far from being a garbage player. He may not be as good as certain moments last year, but last season wasn't a facade. He's been contextualized in this often and his stifled creativity has turned him into a shell of the player he was. Rozier was made for fast break basketball, and our current team is the furthest thing of that...

[Jaqua92]

I was one of those.

Yeah you were, I was late with the edit. You also never bought in on Rozier as a real impact player, right on.

I was dead ass wrong on Rozier. Im done with him— would trade him to Phoenix for a 2 at this point. Selfish player whos actively hurting us.

I've been saying this since before the post season last year and got called plastic and mocked. He's always been selfish. Psychology effects behavior and motor skills. This bad shooting by the team collectively isnt a fluke that will correct itself because of "law of averages". Too many players who iso. There is a chemistry issue and it has an impact on the collective mind of the team. That's why they aren't shooting well.

Rozier and Brown need to go

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[HarthorneWingo]

Bye Kyrie

Do you mean he's leaving or the C's will trade him? The Knicks won to get to a grand total of 5-14, Kyrie's leaving here for them?

I sure hope not.

[Domenico]

I thought this roster already hit rock bottom. This team proves me wrong.
Rozier can be a nice guy, but it shouldn't surprise me if Danny called Philly to trade Rozier for Fultz.