Celtics General Offseason (incl. Trade) Thread, 2019

[ViperGTS]

Well, they do. There are at least 3 other teams (LAL, LAC, NYK) that would really like to get him, and all 3 will go in thinking they can retain his services beyond next season. So Danny isn't bidding against himself here - he will need to beat 3 very serious offers.

I know you will just say, "then he shouldn't trade for him'", but like it or not, it looks like he's going to try.

Again, it isn’t hard to trade for AD by everyone here’s ideas. You, me or the 5 year old in grade school can trade everything they want but say, Kyrie. No, the grand trade master needs to be better than that. He needs to do what he always done which is to protect as many assets as he can while getting a deal done. If the price gets stupid, you push back from the table. If the Cs get him, and the reaction isn’t “that is all it took?” then it wasn’t a good trade.

Rarely do you truly know who won a trade the day it goes down. You contradict your own argument by saying a 5 year old can make up a trade for AD, and then say that same 5 year old can claim it was too much, and be unequivocally correct. Only time will tell what a fair value trade is for AD, and Ainge gets paid the big bucks to figure out what that is. But you saying they have no leverage in this situation and that we can screw them down to agree to a miserable deal (for them) is patently untrue.

When the Kyrie deal was announced...most said “thats it?”. And no, I said a 5 year old can trade anything the Pelicans want, just as you or I could. That is the easy part. Danny (the grand trade master) needs to say what is too much and push away. Never did I say anything about that same 5 year old claiming it is too much. Where did you get that? Wasn’t from what I said.

As to your no leverage, that pertains to every team they negotiate with. One year left. No indications of wanting a long term deal. Every team should be low balling and if some team wants to go stupid...let them. Again. One year. In any sport, no player with one year left that fetches a ridiculous price. Especially if it is the player that wants out and makes it public. Very public. I’m not saying just the Cs are losing their minds..all the teams are. Someone needs to push back and smart teams do just that.

[truth18]

Again, it isn’t hard to trade for AD by everyone here’s ideas. You, me or the 5 year old in grade school can trade everything they want but say, Kyrie. No, the grand trade master needs to be better than that. He needs to do what he always done which is to protect as many assets as he can while getting a deal done. If the price gets stupid, you push back from the table. If the Cs get him, and the reaction isn’t “that is all it took?” then it wasn’t a good trade.

Rarely do you truly know who won a trade the day it goes down. You contradict your own argument by saying a 5 year old can make up a trade for AD, and then say that same 5 year old can claim it was too much, and be unequivocally correct. Only time will tell what a fair value trade is for AD, and Ainge gets paid the big bucks to figure out what that is. But you saying they have no leverage in this situation and that we can screw them down to agree to a miserable deal (for them) is patently untrue.

When the Kyrie deal was announced...most said “thats it?”. And no, I said a 5 year old can trade anything the Pelicans want, just as you or I could. That is the easy part. Danny (the grand trade master) needs to say what is too much and push away. Never did I say anything about that same 5 year old claiming it is too much. Where did you get that? Wasn’t from what I said.

As to your no leverage, that pertains to every team they negotiate with. One year left. No indications of wanting a long term deal. Every team should be low balling and if some team wants to go stupid...let them. Again. One year. In any sport, no player with one year left that fetches a ridiculous price. Especially if it is the player that wants out and makes it public. Very public. I’m not saying just the Cs are losing their minds..all the teams are. Someone needs to push back and smart teams do just that.

A lot of this is just initial speculation about deals that 100% bring back AD because that's where you start as NOLA. Final trade(s) will be adjusted in many ways and will mainly be about the Pelicans getting shooters and picks back. Solomon Hill's contract being taken on (or not taken on) is also a factor in how all of these assets will be adjusted.

The Pelicans have leverage because they actually get to start at that aforementioned point now with the #1 pick. Danny will do the best he can but NOLA doesn't HAVE to do anything here. They can even spite AD by waiting until FA next year to make deals if they really want to (this won't happen).

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[3D Chess]

Again, it isn’t hard to trade for AD by everyone here’s ideas. You, me or the 5 year old in grade school can trade everything they want but say, Kyrie. No, the grand trade master needs to be better than that. He needs to do what he always done which is to protect as many assets as he can while getting a deal done. If the price gets stupid, you push back from the table. If the Cs get him, and the reaction isn’t “that is all it took?” then it wasn’t a good trade.

Rarely do you truly know who won a trade the day it goes down. You contradict your own argument by saying a 5 year old can make up a trade for AD, and then say that same 5 year old can claim it was too much, and be unequivocally correct. Only time will tell what a fair value trade is for AD, and Ainge gets paid the big bucks to figure out what that is. But you saying they have no leverage in this situation and that we can screw them down to agree to a miserable deal (for them) is patently untrue.

When the Kyrie deal was announced...most said “thats it?”. And no, I said a 5 year old can trade anything the Pelicans want, just as you or I could. That is the easy part. Danny (the grand trade master) needs to say what is too much and push away. Never did I say anything about that same 5 year old claiming it is too much. Where did you get that? Wasn’t from what I said.

As to your no leverage, that pertains to every team they negotiate with. One year left. No indications of wanting a long term deal. Every team should be low balling and if some team wants to go stupid...let them. Again. One year. In any sport, no player with one year left that fetches a ridiculous price. Especially if it is the player that wants out and makes it public. Very public. I’m not saying just the Cs are losing their minds..all the teams are. Someone needs to push back and smart teams do just that.

Who is the one having the reaction of "that's all it took" if not you, me and the 5 year old? Our reaction to the trade doesn't count for squat when it comes to the actual long term result of the trade. Quick reactionary takes don't mean much for a trade that contains a lot of moving parts on both sides, and by definition can't be graded (for anything other than discussion fodder) for at least a year - when AD becomes a FA.

It's ok to be a smart team and say no to a deal when the price gets to steep, but you can't keep doing it forever or you'll end up never making any moves. We don't want the treadmill.

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Well if DA does that Kyries gone because as outspoken as he’s been there is no way you bring him in with Kyrie here

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Well if DA does that Kyries gone because as outspoken as he’s been there is no way you bring him in with Kyrie here

Kyrie needs someone to tell him to, "Shut The **** Up!!!"

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Well if DA does that Kyries gone because as outspoken as he’s been there is no way you bring him in with Kyrie here

Kyrie needs someone to tell him to, "Shut The **** Up!!!"

Oh I agree but that isn’t gonna be a move Cs make going into recruitment of Kyrie to come back. If Kyrie leaves Boston what are his legitimate options.....Knick’s,Nets and Lakers. If so we could potentially make a deal to one of those teams for a sign and trade of a small piece back

[truth18]

Didn't Perk punch a woman in the face while on OKC?

I'll pass on that **** hard either way but even more so after Jabari cursed our season.

Not really a fan of these nostalgia-level assistants either. Walter was a nice guy but I'd rather fill the slot with someone who has worked as an assistant before (Walter had when he joined) than Perkins who managed to fail as a morale bench dude for the Thunder.

[BigTrade92]

Yeah, I’d rather try and get Ron Adams to jump ship back to Boston than have Perk’s addition alienate Kyrie even more....

[ViperGTS]

Rarely do you truly know who won a trade the day it goes down. You contradict your own argument by saying a 5 year old can make up a trade for AD, and then say that same 5 year old can claim it was too much, and be unequivocally correct. Only time will tell what a fair value trade is for AD, and Ainge gets paid the big bucks to figure out what that is. But you saying they have no leverage in this situation and that we can screw them down to agree to a miserable deal (for them) is patently untrue.

When the Kyrie deal was announced...most said “thats it?”. And no, I said a 5 year old can trade anything the Pelicans want, just as you or I could. That is the easy part. Danny (the grand trade master) needs to say what is too much and push away. Never did I say anything about that same 5 year old claiming it is too much. Where did you get that? Wasn’t from what I said.

As to your no leverage, that pertains to every team they negotiate with. One year left. No indications of wanting a long term deal. Every team should be low balling and if some team wants to go stupid...let them. Again. One year. In any sport, no player with one year left that fetches a ridiculous price. Especially if it is the player that wants out and makes it public. Very public. I’m not saying just the Cs are losing their minds..all the teams are. Someone needs to push back and smart teams do just that.

A lot of this is just initial speculation about deals that 100% bring back AD because that's where you start as NOLA. Final trade(s) will be adjusted in many ways and will mainly be about the Pelicans getting shooters and picks back. Solomon Hill's contract being taken on (or not taken on) is also a factor in how all of these assets will be adjusted.

The Pelicans have leverage because they actually get to start at that aforementioned point now with the #1 pick. Danny will do the best he can but NOLA doesn't HAVE to do anything here. They can even spite AD by waiting until FA next year to make deals if they really want to (this won't happen).

Can you imagine of they did that last part? Man that would really piss Klutch off lol. Yeah maybe NO has a bit more leverage than I may think so we shall see.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Bulpett's article echoed what reload said a few days ago - we are all in on an AD trade, regardless of what Kyrie does. With that being said, the article mentioned something else - the Pels would be the ones to call the Cs if they can't convince AD to stay, and that it was believed that they'd easily be able to come to an agreement.

I think Kyrie comes back when we offer him that 5 year deal and AD on his team.

[truth18]

The Pelicans have leverage because they actually get to start at that aforementioned point now with the #1 pick. Danny will do the best he can but NOLA doesn't HAVE to do anything here. They can even spite AD by waiting until FA next year to make deals if they really want to (this won't happen).

Can you imagine of they did that last part? Man that would really piss Klutch off lol. Yeah maybe NO has a bit more leverage than I may think so we shall see.

I can imagine "if" they did that last part if that's what you meant.

Because I literally said that in the last sentence I wrote, you know, the one that you are referencing.

But yeah, happy to educate you on this stuff anytime, man. Lmk if you have more stuff you need to work through.

[BillTheGOAT]

Five year deal? I dont think so.

I think he'll stay on his player option if we got AD so that he would become a FA with AD at the same time. I also think KD stays put with the Warriors another year. All this FA talk all year is just nonsense. Players are betting more and more on themselves and looking to set up super teams so that would make the most sense.

[zoyathedestroya]

Five year deal? I dont think so.

I think he'll stay on his player option if we got AD so that he would become a FA with AD at the same time. I also think KD stays put with the Warriors another year. All this FA talk all year is just nonsense. Players are betting more and more on themselves and looking to set up super teams so that would make the most sense.

If he decides to return, it's more like a 1+1 for Kyrie. Higher salary than just opting in. More flexibility for him than signing a long-term deal. Easier out than asking for a trade again in the middle of his contract. Can also choose his destination unlike what happened when he asked out of Cleveland.

EDIT: But who the hell knows what Kyrie wants or how he thinks. Let's just all wait for July 1.

[Valid]

Again, it isn’t hard to trade for AD by everyone here’s ideas. You, me or the 5 year old in grade school can trade everything they want but say, Kyrie. No, the grand trade master needs to be better than that. He needs to do what he always done which is to protect as many assets as he can while getting a deal done. If the price gets stupid, you push back from the table. If the Cs get him, and the reaction isn’t “that is all it took?” then it wasn’t a good trade.

Rarely do you truly know who won a trade the day it goes down. You contradict your own argument by saying a 5 year old can make up a trade for AD, and then say that same 5 year old can claim it was too much, and be unequivocally correct. Only time will tell what a fair value trade is for AD, and Ainge gets paid the big bucks to figure out what that is. But you saying they have no leverage in this situation and that we can screw them down to agree to a miserable deal (for them) is patently untrue.

When the Kyrie deal was announced...most said “thats it?”. And no, I said a 5 year old can trade anything the Pelicans want, just as you or I could. That is the easy part. Danny (the grand trade master) needs to say what is too much and push away. Never did I say anything about that same 5 year old claiming it is too much. Where did you get that? Wasn’t from what I said.

As to your no leverage, that pertains to every team they negotiate with. One year left. No indications of wanting a long term deal. Every team should be low balling and if some team wants to go stupid...let them. Again. One year. In any sport, no player with one year left that fetches a ridiculous price. Especially if it is the player that wants out and makes it public. Very public. I’m not saying just the Cs are losing their minds..all the teams are. Someone needs to push back and smart teams do just that.

That is absolutely, categorically not true, as there was actually a rather large faction (including some Celtics fans) who felt that the Cavaliers won that deal when it was made.

[truth18]

Rarely do you truly know who won a trade the day it goes down. You contradict your own argument by saying a 5 year old can make up a trade for AD, and then say that same 5 year old can claim it was too much, and be unequivocally correct. Only time will tell what a fair value trade is for AD, and Ainge gets paid the big bucks to figure out what that is. But you saying they have no leverage in this situation and that we can screw them down to agree to a miserable deal (for them) is patently untrue.

When the Kyrie deal was announced...most said “thats it?”. And no, I said a 5 year old can trade anything the Pelicans want, just as you or I could. That is the easy part. Danny (the grand trade master) needs to say what is too much and push away. Never did I say anything about that same 5 year old claiming it is too much. Where did you get that? Wasn’t from what I said.

As to your no leverage, that pertains to every team they negotiate with. One year left. No indications of wanting a long term deal. Every team should be low balling and if some team wants to go stupid...let them. Again. One year. In any sport, no player with one year left that fetches a ridiculous price. Especially if it is the player that wants out and makes it public. Very public. I’m not saying just the Cs are losing their minds..all the teams are. Someone needs to push back and smart teams do just that.

That is absolutely, categorically not true, as there was actually a rather large faction (including some Celtics fans) who felt that the Cavaliers won that deal when it was made.

Hell, that poster who didn't know who went #8 for the Cavs was arguing against the deal two days ago and someone agreed.

[Feed Your Head]

When the Kyrie deal was announced...most said “thats it?”. And no, I said a 5 year old can trade anything the Pelicans want, just as you or I could. That is the easy part. Danny (the grand trade master) needs to say what is too much and push away. Never did I say anything about that same 5 year old claiming it is too much. Where did you get that? Wasn’t from what I said.

As to your no leverage, that pertains to every team they negotiate with. One year left. No indications of wanting a long term deal. Every team should be low balling and if some team wants to go stupid...let them. Again. One year. In any sport, no player with one year left that fetches a ridiculous price. Especially if it is the player that wants out and makes it public. Very public. I’m not saying just the Cs are losing their minds..all the teams are. Someone needs to push back and smart teams do just that.

That is absolutely, categorically not true, as there was actually a rather large faction (including some Celtics fans) who felt that the Cavaliers won that deal when it was made.

Hell, that poster who didn't know who went #8 for the Cavs was arguing against the deal two days ago and someone agreed.

To take it one step further, most of this board had a meltdown over the trade once the Nets pick came out as part of the package. Viper has been reminded of this of numerous occasions lol.

[Valid]

That is absolutely, categorically not true, as there was actually a rather large faction (including some Celtics fans) who felt that the Cavaliers won that deal when it was made.

Hell, that poster who didn't know who went #8 for the Cavs was arguing against the deal two days ago and someone agreed.

To take it one step further, his board had a meltdown over the trade once the Nets pick came out as part of the package. Viper has been reminded of this of numerous occasions lol.

I was away from the forum at that time, but I'll be honest: even I wasn't crazy about that deal when it first came out because I thought it was a bit of an overpay.

So yeah. This definitely wasn't a "that's all it took?" scenario. I would even venture to say that at least half of the people felt we lost that trade when it was made.

[SmartWentCrazy]

That is absolutely, categorically not true, as there was actually a rather large faction (including some Celtics fans) who felt that the Cavaliers won that deal when it was made.

Hell, that poster who didn't know who went #8 for the Cavs was arguing against the deal two days ago and someone agreed.

To take it one step further, most of this board had a meltdown over the trade once the Nets pick came out as part of the package. Viper has been reminded of this of numerous occasions lol.

I loved the deal at the time and still love it even if Kyrie bounces. But an overwhelming **** hated it.