Official Celtics 2020-21 Regular Season Thread

[Parliament10]

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[3D Chess]

This is quite good and informative:

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Danny has some **** tough calls to make, and even if he nails them 100%, so much is going to come down to luck. And this is a GM who has done everything to put himself into a position to succeed. Imagine being, like, the Kings. Building a title team is so damn hard.

[Ernest]

We need some vets on the team. I think it's time for an honest assessment of the young guys we have. Who to keep and who to let go. We probably need to make some trades and/or draft and stash some player because we need 3-5 spots for some vets. I know in the past every time a name comes up it get talked about and the agreement is "they are washed up" Melo was washed up according to everyone on here. Howard too. We are going to have to take some chances. bring in 5 vets and hope that come playoff time 1 or 2 of them can really help you.

We are actually a pretty decent landing spot for some vets. Sure LAL probably gives a better shot at a title but it would seem easier to get minutes here.

[ConstableGeneva]

70 years and a day ago...

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We need some vets on the team. I think it's time for an honest assessment of the young guys we have. Who to keep and who to let go. We probably need to make some trades and/or draft and stash some player because we need 3-5 spots for some vets. I know in the past every time a name comes up it get talked about and the agreement is "they are washed up" Melo was washed up according to everyone on here. Howard too. We are going to have to take some chances. bring in 5 vets and hope that come playoff time 1 or 2 of them can really help you.

We are actually a pretty decent landing spot for some vets. Sure LAL probably gives a better shot at a title but it would seem easier to get minutes here.

You've highlighted the problem of making room for MULTIPLE vets.

Assume we keep:

Kemba/Smart/Jaylen/Jayson/Hayward
Theis/Kanter/Timelord
Romeo/Grant

That's 10 spots already.

3-5 vets wouldn't leave much space for new rookies, Tacko/Waters, et al. 5 vets wouldn't leave room for ANY of those guys.

[Ernest]

We need some vets on the team. I think it's time for an honest assessment of the young guys we have. Who to keep and who to let go. We probably need to make some trades and/or draft and stash some player because we need 3-5 spots for some vets. I know in the past every time a name comes up it get talked about and the agreement is "they are washed up" Melo was washed up according to everyone on here. Howard too. We are going to have to take some chances. bring in 5 vets and hope that come playoff time 1 or 2 of them can really help you.

We are actually a pretty decent landing spot for some vets. Sure LAL probably gives a better shot at a title but it would seem easier to get minutes here.

You've highlighted the problem of making room for MULTIPLE vets.

Assume we keep:

Kemba/Smart/Jaylen/Jayson/Hayward
Theis/Kanter/Timelord
Romeo/Grant

That's 10 spots already.

3-5 vets wouldn't leave much space for new rookies, Tacko/Waters, et al. 5 vets wouldn't leave room for ANY of those guys.

That's a good point. Of the guys you listed, I wonder if Kanter will stay, so that might open up another spot. Depending on what vets we could get, trading Romeo or Grant for a future pick might be an option (though I like both of those guys.) A hard look at Tacko and Waters is needed. They both could be decent NBA players or could both could never really make it- hopefully Danny guesses right on those. As for new rookies, I don't see how we are going to have much time for them. Hopefully there are some good stash options or trades for future picks.

At the end of the day, 2 good vets on the bench in place of 2 more rookies who don't get off the bench in the playoffs could be the difference in a playoff series. I think we are close enough now that our priority needs to change.

[Ernest]

70 years and a day ago...

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I remember that. 80% of this board was angry we didn't get Kleggie Hermsen. People were calling for Red to be fired.

[GWVan]

70 years and a day ago...

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I remember that. 80% of this board was angry we didn't get Kleggie Hermsen. People were calling for Red to be fired.

Kleggie was a proven veteran, taking Cousy was a big risk

[ConstableGeneva]

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I remember that. 80% of this board was angry we didn't get Kleggie Hermsen. People were calling for Red to be fired.

That is correct. We'd have 20 banners now instead of just 17 had we gone with Hermsen instead. I'll try to look for my personal draft board. I have it written on a stone tablet somewhere.

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We need some vets on the team. I think it's time for an honest assessment of the young guys we have. Who to keep and who to let go. We probably need to make some trades and/or draft and stash some player because we need 3-5 spots for some vets. I know in the past every time a name comes up it get talked about and the agreement is "they are washed up" Melo was washed up according to everyone on here. Howard too. We are going to have to take some chances. bring in 5 vets and hope that come playoff time 1 or 2 of them can really help you.

We are actually a pretty decent landing spot for some vets. Sure LAL probably gives a better shot at a title but it would seem easier to get minutes here.

You've highlighted the problem of making room for MULTIPLE vets.

Assume we keep:

Kemba/Smart/Jaylen/Jayson/Hayward
Theis/Kanter/Timelord
Romeo/Grant

That's 10 spots already.

3-5 vets wouldn't leave much space for new rookies, Tacko/Waters, et al. 5 vets wouldn't leave room for ANY of those guys.

That's a good point. Of the guys you listed, I wonder if Kanter will stay, so that might open up another spot. Depending on what vets we could get, trading Romeo or Grant for a future pick might be an option (though I like both of those guys.) A hard look at Tacko and Waters is needed. They both could be decent NBA players or could both could never really make it- hopefully Danny guesses right on those. As for new rookies, I don't see how we are going to have much time for them. Hopefully there are some good stash options or trades for future picks.

At the end of the day, 2 good vets on the bench in place of 2 more rookies who don't get off the bench in the playoffs could be the difference in a playoff series. I think we are close enough now that our priority needs to change.

Kanter is almost exactly the kind of vet you're calling for. He's an excellent player when called on, and all smiles when the coach determines it's not right to call on him. He's an uplifting teammate in every way he knows how. Yes, he might be a more effective mentor if his background weren't so unusual by Black American standards, or if his playing style weren't so antiquated. But on the whole he's one of those confident-yet-humble vets you seem to feel every team needs.

Replacing him with another vet with a different skillset, whether or not that's a good basketball move, won't make much difference in the area you were highlighting.

[Ernest]

You've highlighted the problem of making room for MULTIPLE vets.

Assume we keep:

Kemba/Smart/Jaylen/Jayson/Hayward
Theis/Kanter/Timelord
Romeo/Grant

That's 10 spots already.

3-5 vets wouldn't leave much space for new rookies, Tacko/Waters, et al. 5 vets wouldn't leave room for ANY of those guys.

That's a good point. Of the guys you listed, I wonder if Kanter will stay, so that might open up another spot. Depending on what vets we could get, trading Romeo or Grant for a future pick might be an option (though I like both of those guys.) A hard look at Tacko and Waters is needed. They both could be decent NBA players or could both could never really make it- hopefully Danny guesses right on those. As for new rookies, I don't see how we are going to have much time for them. Hopefully there are some good stash options or trades for future picks.

At the end of the day, 2 good vets on the bench in place of 2 more rookies who don't get off the bench in the playoffs could be the difference in a playoff series. I think we are close enough now that our priority needs to change.

Kanter is almost exactly the kind of vet you're calling for. He's an excellent player when called on, and all smiles when the coach determines it's not right to call on him. He's an uplifting teammate in every way he knows how. Yes, he might be a more effective mentor if his background weren't so unusual by Black American standards, or if his playing style weren't so antiquated. But on the whole he's one of those confident-yet-humble vets you seem to feel every team needs.

Replacing him with another vet with a different skillset, whether or not that's a good basketball move, won't make much difference in the area you were highlighting.

Yeah, sure, I'm not for getting rid of him. I've just read his name as someone to move a lot on here. My overall point is we need to make it a priority to get a few vets.

[Darth Celtic]

If the NBA refuses to call defensive 3 seconds, we should go more zone with Tacko and or Kanter hidden in the team defense. How do you stop teams who can't shoot from scoring? Play a zone with Tacko under the hoop at all times.

[snowman]

Actually, at the end of the day, we have to realize, Danny is working with 2 windows right now. Trying to get the most out of the time we have with Kemba and Hayward, yet also developing a young core and bench to grow along with Tatum, Brown, Smart, Langford and the Williams's. That's why I hope he uses all three picks. Yes we have a young team, but when you move 3 of the rookies from last year, (Edwards, Poirier and Green) along with 3rd year Wannamaker and 4th year Semi, you have the room for all 3 picks (which is an upgrade by it's self) and 2 vets if Danny wants to spend Wyc's money. Danny can and should do both, add 2 vets and the 3 1sts.

Kemba, Brown, Hayward, Tatum, Theis,
Smart, Langford, G. Will, R. Will, Kanter
We have 5 spots plus 2 two ways roster spots left.

I have been championing for Danny to use the 3 firsts on Saddiq Bey, Tre Jones and Daniel Oturu, along with signing 2 new to the team vets to round out the 15. Wannamaker, Edwards, Semi, Poirier and Green were a failed experiment and all need to go. Edwards and Semi were 2nd round picks and Wannamaker, Poirier and Green were never drafted. Wannamaker, Semi and Green cost nothing to release, and have very little salary being tied up after they are gone. (I think Green has 100K guarantee) Only Poirier and Edwards will have to be traded but that shouldn't be too hard I hope. I do not see ANY of these 5 players being better than any of the 1st round picks, who may or may not get off the bench during playoffs, but they will be a great deal better than the five I'm recommending to be let go, and will also be better in the next year or so. The vets we had this past year in Wannamaker, Semi and Kanter really didn't amount to much except for a few spots here and there. Waters, Tacko and the 47th pick can fight it out for the 2 two ways, or are let go also.

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[ConstableGeneva]

Some advantages of having (the right) vets on the bench/roster (not all of them need to play btw):
• first-hand scouting -- knowledge of other players/coaches/their tendencies/sets & their counters
• mentorship -- tricks of the trade that young players don't have right away; how to take care of your body
• competitive practices -- second/third units that can push the starters
• sense of urgency -- wanting to win now and doing everything to achieve that goal; young guys think they have lots of time left and winning may not be a priority at the moment

[Parliament10]

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[ConstableGeneva]

Prediction: We'll see a repeat of this next year.

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[Parliament10]

Prediction: We'll see a repeat of this next year.

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This is great, going forward.
Now we just need to put some muscle around them, and beef up the Bench.

[JHTruth]

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[JHTruth]

Actually, at the end of the day, we have to realize, Danny is working with 2 windows right now. Trying to get the most out of the time we have with Kemba and Hayward, yet also developing a young core and bench to grow along with Tatum, Brown, Smart, Langford and the Williams's. That's why I hope he uses all three picks. Yes we have a young team, but when you move 3 of the rookies from last year, (Edwards, Poirier and Green) along with 3rd year Wannamaker and 4th year Semi, you have the room for all 3 picks (which is an upgrade by it's self) and 2 vets if Danny wants to spend Wyc's money. Danny can and should do both, add 2 vets and the 3 1sts.

Kemba, Brown, Hayward, Tatum, Theis,
Smart, Langford, G. Will, R. Will, Kanter
We have 5 spots plus 2 two ways roster spots left.

I have been championing for Danny to use the 3 firsts on Saddiq Bey, Tre Jones and Daniel Oturu, along with signing 2 new to the team vets to round out the 15. Wannamaker, Edwards, Semi, Poirier and Green were a failed experiment and all need to go. Edwards and Semi were 2nd round picks and Wannamaker, Poirier and Green were never drafted. Wannamaker, Semi and Green cost nothing to release, and have very little salary being tied up after they are gone. (I think Green has 100K guarantee) Only Poirier and Edwards will have to be traded but that shouldn't be too hard I hope. I do not see ANY of these 5 players being better than any of the 1st round picks, who may or may not get off the bench during playoffs, but they will be a great deal better than the five I'm recommending to be let go, and will also be better in the next year or so. The vets we had this past year in Wannamaker, Semi and Kanter really didn't amount to much except for a few spots here and there. Waters, Tacko and the 47th pick can fight it out for the 2 two ways, or are let go also.

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I'd actually keep Edwards. I think he can develop into an off-the-ball threat and be a bench flamethrower. But yeah, Wanna, Semi, Sexy, And Green are all probably out of here...